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| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:05:09 - 13:15:37 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院、法務部部長、內政部部長、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、勞動部、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「如何遏止移工及青少年淪為詐騙集團工具，及打詐四法施行後相關子法及配套措施進度與具體成效之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席我們請警政署署長、刑事警察局局長好 局長委員好好 署長好 局長好這個大家都很關心這個少年青少年這一個犯罪還有這個因為詐騙這一個詐騙數越來越上升的一個問題那我舉這個你們刑事警察局的這一個的這個案子來看 |
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我這邊走到112年了112年的這個比例來講少年犯罪這個少年嫌疑人到了112年有10770人那比110年是多了1216人 |
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然後呢這個112年這個青少年嫌疑犯有44661人然後到110年呢增加了1481人那其中呢青年跟少年犯罪類型最詐欺最詐欺案最多 |
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在這個青少年的部分的話呢少年的部分的話詐欺是佔20%青年部分的話是佔31.53%然後呢增加的這個人數呢青年是增加了912人增加了9.33%少年增加了524人增加了31.53%少年增加的比例更高 |
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所以我們看這個圖少年詐欺的嫌犯比這種逐年增加我剛剛講了到了這個112年到了20%然後呢這個少年嫌犯呢常見的涉案類型呢這個詐欺呢他也是最多見比這個之前的這個竊盜一般傷害都還要多 |
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那我看一下內政部的報告新少年 少年涉詐的主要的類型是車手或車手頭還有一個是人頭帳戶 這兩個是算主要的比例按照司法院的統計來看2018年到2023年 |
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這個少年的詐欺犯人數呢從3254人那激增到6323人成長了這個1.94倍啦齁那林林總總看了這麼多的數據來看齁那其實我相信大家都很關心齁這個少年青少年齁這個尤其在詐欺這部分齁這個比例是越來越高齁那請下一下局長或是說這個署長齁你們對於這一個比例越來越高 |
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你們的看法是怎麼樣?好,這個依照這幾年的演變確實現在目前青少年會被淪為作為詐欺的一個對象是有在攀升的這個趨向對,為什麼?對,那我想第一個可能就是因為一個法制概念的不足 |
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是不是他們認為說這個未成年犯罪這個會沒有刑責不是,不是不會有刑責因為除了他自己本身的刑責之外這個父母親還要擔負法律上的這個責任我說現在的青少年是不是會有這種概念他們認為是說可能他們這個犯罪可能就是會比較輕嘛這就是法律上的這個不足嘛 |
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第二部分可能就是對於他經濟能力的狀況被詐騙金的保證獲利經濟上的誘惑第三個可能就是家庭上的教育上的問題署長現在講的都是原因那怎麼去做 |
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那我覺得第一個最重要的就是一定要讓他有美麗要視乍的這個美麗要加強做這個一個宣導這宣導的這個層面一定要讓他知道說去犯這個案罪是有法律的刑罪而且這個父母親會負有年代的責任的那以後這些這個跟教育部對教育部的部分宣導部門會來做加強 |
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那另外就是說我們我覺得我們要去做就是我們自己做要去查那個源頭啦我們要查源頭到底是誰來教授來做這一些這些的案件查這個源頭嘛這個源頭也就是說這個集團的源頭是誰來做教授的要把源頭把它把它查出來那另外就是說這個其他的這個如果說有可能 |
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要做其他就業的或什麼這一類的機會可能勞動部的這個部分可能要提供一些機會相關部位來做配合我覺得最重要的就是從源頭來這邊來處理第一個從宣導的處理第二從我們偵查的這個教唆者的這些的詐欺集團的核心分子來做處理我再請一下這個內政部處長好了 |
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這個我剛剛也聽了你也回應了很多這個委員對於這個青少年這個詐欺的比例越來越高那你覺得還有哪些部分可以再做加強的啦我剛剛也聽了學校啦、教育啦然後關懷團體啦那還有哪些地方要加強因為我看這比例是越來越高啊 |
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跟委員報告其實我們現在對青少年來講他第一個當然就是說金錢的誘惑是最重要的原因啦那我們會不會讓他們覺得說是因為代價很小但是獲利很高對就是說他的成本很低的對尤其他們大部分是擔任車手的這個角色那行則是比較低因為司法院有在這邊嘛我想請問一下就是說目前 |
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目前就是有關這個詐騙的這個少年或是青少年這個是不是大部分都還是以這個保護管束或是訓誡居多 |
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謝謝委員我是司法院少家庭傅曉萱那委員剛有提到說我們的少年如果觸犯這個詐欺相關的案件的時候我們現在有分為兩個部分一個部分是少年保護事件的處理方式另外一個部分是少年刑事案件的處理方式剛剛委員詢問說是什麼樣的保護處分居多那我們現在手上的記錄呢以少年保護事件來講是保護管束 |
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的這個比例最多?一一二年顯示我們的這個跟詐欺有關的保護處分執行狀況是在45.62%45.62%是以保護管數為最大中那所以你覺得效果有這個效果嗎?就是在這一個處分上面有這個效果嗎? |
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報告委員我們現在針對這個詐欺的相關案件我們現在司法院邵家廷有推行一個高風險保護管束的事辦計畫因為是從今年113年2月1日開始推行所以目前在6月中有一個短期的這個執行的成效檢討目前看起來是有一定的成效的但是後續還要等數據量比較多的時候才可以具以分析 |
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對 我是想 這個包含我在內 大家都很關心那 大家其實也清楚 就從教育 家長或是說這一個多輪的這個關懷的團體那當然行者是 這個是最後的一部分那我是覺得就是說 這個你們要怎麼樣去做一個統合 去做一個統合 |
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其實三月份跟今天的這個報告其實也差不了多少 |
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就變成說這個相同問題我們一直重複在討論但數字沒有因此而降低所以我才會問說到底是哪一些部分還可以再做加強的所以真的還是希望各位這回去真的就是在各自的業務上面再來看看就是說這個有哪些部分可以再做處理的 |
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這個上半年度問的東西跟下半年度問的東西那其實數據一直增加但是提出來的方法都是一樣好 謝謝各位那我再問一下最後一個我問一下速發布好了這個我看的這個網路詐騙的這個通報查詢網這個Meta它還是這個詐騙的大戶啦這個你們有這個每天有這樣看你們自己的這個詐騙的查詢網嗎 |
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目前這個部分呢就是Meta還是比較多但是他們已經有承諾就是說在那個年底之前他們會就是會把這個部分處理完什麼意思?什麼叫做把這部分處理完?因為根據那個打詐四法我們訂定的那個執法的部分那針對這些廣告的平台他必須要提出這個法定代理人都提出來了啊對 他們都提出來了對啊 因為Daylight是不是10月31號啊 |
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我們目前是正在審查中他們現在另外有另外有一個部分就是針對就是這個廣告的部分廣告平台部分他們要做實名制實名制就是在年底之前他們會做完 |
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我剛有聽到說實名制Google有先做了是不是是Google它是哪時候做的昨天所以就是說在Google要投放廣告現在就是實名制了對那為什麼這個其他的還要等到你們執法出來他們才願意做他們有在研議好像他們在那個程式規劃設計的部分好像稍微有點複雜不太一樣那所以呢到年底有機會嗎是到年底包含這個LINE |
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臉書、TikTok都有辦法嗎?都有辦法就是我們廣告都要實名制沒辦法也要有辦法沒辦法也要有辦法 |
| IVOD_ID |
157362 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157362 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T13:05:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T13:15:37+08:00 |
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