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| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:42 - 10:45:38 |
| 影片長度 |
956 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算（公務預算及基金）。（僅詢答，113年12月6日下午5時截止收案）） |
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謝謝 謝謝前委員部長還有醫事司長還有口腔師司長部長辛苦了我看你在回答問題非常小心非常好我昨天問那個勞動部部長他昨天 你們昨天就任滿半年 |
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昨天11月20號520你自己打幾分我從來不會為自己打分數我只知道要繼續努力這樣子 |
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你也知道衛福部很沒用的沒用到沒命沒錢衛福部加大越大又那麼多部立醫院就只有所屬就怕死人很多所以不會出事我才奇怪出事才剛剛好而已所以我還是跟大家一起戰戰兢兢那我現在今天要跟你延續講這個 |
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國外醫師我們不要講波波講波波有點鄙視還有看不起人家我深深的不以為然我今天在這邊很震動的講我不偏袒本土的牙醫還有波波回來的牙醫講這樣是很難聽這個問題是從馬英九時代到現在都一直延續那我現在請問你一個問題你們去年修改 |
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醫療法之後那今年出去念書的念醫學跟牙醫他們要報備嗎有沒有減少不用報備 |
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請補充一下因為就學是個人自由所以這個地方是不用報備是回來考試的時候申請這邊會從那個考選部跟教育部這邊學歷認證這邊到底有沒有問題可不可以考試是從那邊開始有資料以上所以你沒有在關你要去立法院不關就對了 |
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但是從今年入學的我跟大家報告從今年入學到國安院醫生回來都必須要考鑑定考試鑑定考試及格力鑑定不管你是從九大地區從美國英國回來都要嘛那我是覺得台灣有點開倒車啦 |
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以前在馬英九時代是九大地區回來的不用考Pretest直接可以考第一階段Part 1嘛對不對啊Part 1考過之後就可以當實習實習一年之後再臨床醫學考過OSCE考過就可以考Part 2嘛 |
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趴住之後就拿到醫師證書就進入PGY現在兩年以後做過全年醫師全年律師診保定也做過管道要比較廣全世界養育這麼多以前九大地區的時候是包括歐盟 |
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包括歐盟那舊的歐盟是有15個國家後來有新的歐盟加進去像波蘭、匈牙利、羅馬尼亞、保加利亞那些加進去捷克等等有10個國家所以現在才有15加10有25個國家那我們不能認定什麼舊歐盟跟新歐盟歐盟是一體的所以才搞成現在這個問題嘛不然這樣就對了喔稍微非常清澈 |
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中華民國的國民只要他中華民國籍他就要受憲法的保障他因為婚姻遷徙或者是父母親譬如我認識的很多外交官很多那個外貿協會的他們父母親派入在國外啊 孩子就一定在那裡讀書啊啊 帶他回來他如果有讀什麼的 他回來 |
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他要怎麼規定幾關幾輪一直一直你層層關卡也OK但是他只要考得過一關一關考得過又有實習又有什麼他就是一個合格的醫師嘛 |
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那臺灣的本土的醫生畢業的當然很強啊 因為大家都這樣走過來喔 很累的但是有沒有那樣你就洗個底面 不是餒 |
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我在考選部那邊也當過委員那個國外像美國紐約大學回來的牙醫系的他想回來我看他的學歷他成績非常好啊這種不能讓他回來也現在不能實習胡說八道所以我們講事情要講大家聽得下去 |
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你也只剝剝剝剝,一天到晚都剝剝,這樣在人家鄙視,獵巫,說到不值一提,禮拜天又要來遊行,然後我們黨團一直表演表示意見,我們,我也沒有在這邊,也沒有在那邊,可能比較公正,我們酒酸冷酸嘛,對不對,那你回來的, |
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從今年在國外不管你在美國在英國在哪裡你念醫學院醫學系回來台灣都要考鑑定考試嘛PRETEST是很難過的及格率我看還沒有到10%喔有一年我給他查才6%啊牙醫師6%嘛牙醫師6%嘛那很夭壽 我跟你講齁 |
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好啦那今天這樣也是唸了然後回來趴萬也考過了然後現在在那邊等待實習然後你就說我一定要一年只能50個我前幾天到離港有一個在賣牛肉麵的阿嬤桑 她的祖母就是去波蘭塔亞裔回來結果也趴萬課過了 |
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所以說那個柏蘭特赤都好惹人,好笑,錯啦,不一定是這樣那小孩子有意願,媽媽就站在那裡去託,這樣考過囉我說你現在在幹嘛?他說現在在賣化妝品我說怎麼了?他說在等啊,等實習啊我說你要等多久?他說他算什麼要等八年啊 |
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請你備名所以這個也沒道理所以這個是人家考過在那邊等待實習的那你把他踐踏把他汙名化然後讓他不能實習部長你要怎麼做 |
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你也很小心在回答我想這個都有歷史的一個演變我想剛剛莊委真的非常瞭解到整個脈動那我們都是在解決這些長期的爭議當然以大家的 |
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我想國際牙醫這邊當然是不滿意50名非常的限額我們的本土牙醫這邊當然是希望降低我想這個一直多年來一直在爭議這個問題我講兩個例子 |
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我們馬來西亞的臺灣人喔欸 華僑回來臺灣念書念高雄醫學院念完在我們醫院在長庚然後到長衛科專科醫師然後帶娶臺灣老婆回到馬來西亞 |
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當然這在台灣唸書也是國外嘛馬來西亞就承認台灣的儀式執照 免課但是這條路你要去偏鄉給他六年所以他就乖乖的從某處走去東馬 |
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所以各國的不一樣的平和制度﹐考試制度或者是認定制度﹐我們都尊重 |
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所以不同的國家的認定方式我們自己有自己的方法這個在當市長的時候你們都通過了嘛市長的時候另外一個我講更嚴肅的我們的中醫市長以前中醫 |
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中醫師沒考的時候中醫師是用特考捏特考是什麼意思我們年輕人可能都忘光了搞不好你們要出生啦中醫師可以去考檢定考試考完檢定考試就等於是高等檢定考試考過之後你就有資格去考中醫師特考結果呢會念書都考得上欸 那種的有幾個中醫特考考的有幾個幾千個 |
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中醫特稿過的人數目前大概是佔整個中醫職業人數的4成多4成多 聽好 以前更多還要扣到都什麼種的 書磚比較不會還是軍裝比較不會 因為那些要背 要托 背到要死 中醫的東西 要我拖下來 這樣扣過 |
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課過後他課高等檢定考試課過後他就課中醫特考課過後他就中醫書了喔對不對那十尊比較的老師都教他讀書喔這樣他真的要做中醫書請問他的醫學的訓練夠嗎 |
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所以我們中醫中醫衛生部才把他們一個一個都找去中國醫藥大學去專門做醫師養成教育基礎醫學上面直接去補兼這個就是時代的產物那現在呢要考沒有中醫特考了對不起現在只有中醫系政科的才可以考對不對這樣對不對是是是所以中藥三也一樣頂頂所以我是覺得這一件事情 |
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既然他們禮拜天又要上街頭我想衛福部你要好好的來處理啦阿也不可以這個事變成這樣不可以頭瞞在沙子裡面齁這些人300多個人過了嘛齁你說月科科會趴萬欸國際牙醫這個喔 |
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賴總統本身是好意識的 |
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臺灣的護衛醫系還是臺灣的護衛醫系獲得到國外訓因為婚姻遷徙什麼什麼一大堆因素我不知道 |
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反正只要他們有學歷回來我們就要面對啦不然一昧著說這樣就全部排斥我不為誰啦但是我們還是要解決問題啦 |
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我們會勇於面對 勇於面對這樣的長久下來的一個 這是我們政府跟專業團體的責任因為希望真的在提供民眾最好的一個醫療品質跟環境以外 怎麼樣解決長期的紛爭 |
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如果舊的問題,我們是不是用更好的方法、更新的方法來解決?那,也,其實這一段期間我們也跟本土小孩也做了最公開、坦誠的一個互動也修改了一個,也修改了它的內容所以譬如說偏鄉者現在就不會去做任何實習的這個部分這個有一點違反剛剛蘇昭偉所提的 |
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一個那個但是沒辦法因為這個這個我們為了減少爭議趕快大家好好的去洗衣去行衣那個不要讓讓社會更加的平和民眾需要的是我們大家的照顧偏鄉需要的是好的醫師願意下去照顧他們 |
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我最後講一個就是你今年開始全世界不管先進國家中等國家或怎麼樣這些醫學院的學生要來台灣畢業要來考台灣的證照都必須要考鑑定考 |
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而且鑑定考試很難考我不曉得臺灣接下來這樣是會進步還是會退步你只有全部都是本土的本土的美國的也回不來英國的也回不來這樣不好進行結婚 |
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報告委員其實像我們仿照美國好了美國的那種國際學程很多有名的大學也是有國際學程但是他們的訓練是蠻扎實我們台灣的醫學院畢業也是要進入國際學程經過一個安格的訓練然後也可以考照那這個percentage大概也差不多是我們現在8%左右8到10%所以這個50個名額其實是看起來是以國際比較起來是還算合理 |
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因為國際像美國的名大學也都是大概這個percentage最後我跟大家報告這個因為我有去研究美國的本土的美國人要簽他們的議案他也沒有在外面簽議約的簽不到了喔有退後喔 |
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全無料他就去加拿大請議員或是美國的屬地波多利哥、格羅納達因美國的議員會去他設婚校美國人就直接跑到那邊去念那念是不是比照美國的學歷當然啊 |
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因為他有一段時間實習是回美國那是美國的屬地再申請不到的就跑到波蘭東歐去那所以他們也會開一個英文班的專班那是要迎合美國、加拿大的學生要去的 |
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臺灣人去那裡是在教育的隨班互讀的全程英文教學所以你說那些人到西班牙到哪裡去念的醫生去那邊受訓很差很差很差不要這樣講啦 |
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蘇清泉委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157294 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157294 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T10:29:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T10:45:38+08:00 |
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