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| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:08:47 - 10:25:05 |
| 影片長度 |
978 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管文化發展基金附屬單位預算案。
四、審查114年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心、文化內容策進院、國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案。
（僅進行詢答，相關預算提案請於11月28日下午2時前提出）
【11月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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委員質詢馬上請部長謝謝好 李部長 |
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市長好,當初民進黨政府說要成立台灣Plus,4年編58億,說要打造跟BBC還有NHK一樣的這種東營的平台。那到目前為止,部長你自己覺得效果有達到嗎?我們現在有像BBC跟NHK一樣那麼厲害嗎? |
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五十八億不夠要五百八十億才做是不是?當然不是當然不是因為當初也是你們民進黨政府講說要做這個事嗎? |
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五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。 |
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這點我是要請董事長講。 |
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所以目標可以亂訂喔? |
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所以我今天可以隨便喊一個一百萬然後做不到之後我就下修現在下修到當初快五分之一了耶那以後民進黨政府講的話我們都不相信啊跟我們要錢說要做到什麼地方然後反正最後做不到我再下修目標還可以這樣我就隨便掰理由就好了啊我們有甄列其他新的規管新指標不是啦因為你那個時候跟大家講說為什麼要那麼多錢嘛因為我要做到一百萬下載量是你們講的嘛 |
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現在就沒有做到嘛。我沒有在那個時候服務這件事。你沒有服務那你上來講幹嘛?你代表政府在那邊講啊。每個人如果推給前朝就好了啦。第一個我不能接受是說花這麼多錢,目標達不到,然後我們用下修目標的方式來提高那個達成率。而且你們下修目標之後達成率都只有七成而已。 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。 |
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報告委員這兩億是從包括現在有社群平台像是YouTube、X、Twitter或者是這個MSN等等經過他們各自所提供的後台數字所加總還有我們是你們加總的是不是對那因為各後台所計算的基礎不同有些只能提供這個來源的人數有些不提供背景所以我們把整個點擊觀看的次數加總而得的這個所以你覺得兩億很棒是不是沒有還要繼續努力兩億也可以灌水啦沒有我們我們來看一下我們來看一下Town Plus我拿到的資料好不好 |
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大概六成以上都是菲律賓人在看啊。我請教一下為什麼菲律賓人特別喜歡台灣Plus?因為今年上半年有很多南海議題我們做了相關報導跟論壇剛好有…所以是菲律賓為主回大中台灣Plus是菲律賓為大中我們講台灣跟整個亞洲的題目不好意思喔當初台灣Plus在設定的時候目標對象是誰? |
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是誰?是全世界的觀眾。全世界的觀眾以哪裡為主?全世界的觀眾都會是我們主要的企業。以北美為主。北美是我們主要的企業。你看一下好不好?除了北美,然後今年把新加坡加進來了。目標市場,要不要念一下?北美與新加坡。報告委員,就是2023年那一年的設定目標先從北美跟新加坡。對,所以你們每一年你們就是根據你們就是根據你們實際上狀況調整嘛。 |
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對不對本來APP100萬做不到改成兩層然後呢目標市場本來設定北美跟新加坡然後因為做不到那我們就改成菲律賓話都是你們在講啦今天如果說你只有花100萬我相信大家也不會來這邊監督啦你花的是幾十億欸幾十億然後你拿到這樣的效果你還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己很棒那接下來還要花多少錢要不要100億要不要200億 |
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請你們檢討改進好不好不要還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己已經很棒了請教一下你們說川普是一個被定罪的重刑犯對吧 |
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我是在這個選舉後以這個然後後來那個新聞下架了嘛因為在記者描述上我們覺得需要調整可以改進對所以你們下架了因為你們按照你們的說法是因為那個是語意的問題不應該在當選的那一天講說最後美國人選擇了一個重刑犯你覺得這樣語意不妥所以你把它下架了對吧 |
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那個文字本身是各大公共媒體都在用的,就是說在記者報導論述的前後我們覺得可以更好...對嘛,就是語意嘛,前後文語意嘛。對嘛,但是你們不認為說報導川普是一個重刑犯有問題,因為他是一個客觀的描述嘛。所以,實際上現在在台灣Plus的新聞裡面,還有非常多則的報導是描述川普為一個重刑犯,因為我也去看過了。但是這一點你們認為是OK的,因為你們...等一下,我還沒有問問題。 |
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因為你們認為說川普他就是一個重刑犯啊講他是重刑犯有錯嗎所以我看到你們現在網站上還有一則新聞他就是講說川普的支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶祝的時候這個很高興因為川普呢重版白宮而且川普他是一個重刑犯你們認為這OK的因為那個是事實的描述對吧因為後來你們發新聞稿也是這樣回應的嘛 |
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我們在新聞裡面用那個費洛尼的是用美國現有的這個定罪的一個描述。對嘛,你們認為那個就是一個描述嘛,你們不認為說描述川普是重刑犯有什麼問題嘛。那我就請教一下啦,為什麼在你們台灣plus的新聞裡面這麼喜歡講到川普是一個重刑犯?他沒有別的形容詞了嗎? |
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今天李遠部長也在旁邊李遠部長他我也可以有很多形容詞來形容他東去幽默的一個作家我們的文化部長或者是說他是以前台北市長柯文哲競選總部總幹事 |
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然後呢每一次我只要講到李遠部長的時候我就一直講李遠部長來了他是柯文哲的總幹事喔李遠部長如何如何他是柯文哲總幹事我就一直強化他是柯文哲總幹事這件事情我有沒有錯沒有因為我是客觀性的描述但是為什麼我故意就這樣一直講這件事情一直講這件事情如果今天李遠部長在那邊他會覺得說欸等一下我還沒有問問題 |
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五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。 |
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新聞是他支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶功你還要去講說他這個重刑犯你要講多久你們才高興我跟你講啦台灣你們還不認錯那沒有關係嘛台灣Plus就是我們外交人員的豬隊友因為我們台美外交官這麼認真在拓展外交關係我們的這個台灣Plus的經營者覺得我就是客觀描述有錯嗎 |
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你就繼續這樣講啦,繼續這樣講啦。所以我覺得台灣普拉斯如果要這樣啦,成效不髒,就算了。我們做很多事情是先搶求不傷身體,再搶求效果。沒有效果也就罷了,錢又花了。還要當我們台美關心的豬隊友,那你就繼續,你就繼續。接下來喔,我想問部長,台灣普拉斯花了這麼多錢, |
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我認為錢花下去要有效果本業要先做好再想其他的剛剛也有委員在關心我們現在公視跟華視要出3000萬成立一個AI創新公司對不對對吧他是一個新創科技公司請問一下在公視法裡面哪一條是說公視可以有成立這樣的新公司是哪一條 |
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投資他事業那也要業務需要進行投資啊? |
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議員主席議員主席 |
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adequate to the new revenue of Huashi. |
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你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議我們現在在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看了為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要保密協議然後不能夠讓人家監督為什麼為什麼要搞黑箱作業 |
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部長,我覺得他從以前到現在都是要簽一個保密,並不是黑箱。是,那部長你認為公視跟華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督?應不應該?當然是啊。那請把開會的資料公開好不好?保密協議也公開,我不知道這有什麼保密的必要啊?你如果人員的薪水各自要保密啊,你現在公視進行投資都要保密這是為什麼? |
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怎麼可以公開?通過之後應該可以公開現在我們就要監督啦部長現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎?大家現在擔心的是說3000萬第一年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第二年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第三年1000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司3000萬就沒啦然後別人賺的飽飽啊 |
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然後完全不能夠監督欸這個委員我跟您報告這種事情不會發生再多那是你在講啊如果說你講的都是事實的話那台灣plus當初設定APP100萬為什麼現在變20萬你們都是永遠在滾動式調整啊永遠都是時空環境變了所以大家才要事前先督嘛我現在就問了可不可以公開啊 |
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如果這整個案子通過...不是通過,現在就要監督,因為現在大家就是擔心,你現在投資失敗誰負責?你現在投三千萬,整個轉出去,轉給下包,轉給自己人,誰負責?而且公司現在講說要成立這家公司,大家根本看不出來有成立的必要。根本看不出來有成立的必要。 |
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我同意公開公開是不是把所有這個投資比如說投資目的然後未來的營運計畫你最後要怎麼做怎麼賺錢全部公開讓大家來看否則的話連這個東西都要搞黑箱這個我覺得這個大家是不能接受的啦不然你同意吧 |
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不是我其實不是黑箱因為也有蠻多企業家寫信給我希望我鼓勵這個事情因為華氏的虧損一直沒有辦法停止不是部長華氏的虧損是你要把本業弄好華氏的虧損不是你不是你去成立一個AI創新公司靠AI來賺錢不然你後面那個董事長去AI公司當董事長不要來做公廣的董事長公廣的主要目的要賺錢是要把你的戲劇做好 |
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803.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
821.035 |
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瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎 |
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821.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
848.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
慢慢慢慢有一點點站起來了所以請委員...不是,部長如果說你在本業上面你需要經濟我們都支持現在的問題是你說華社虧損我要靠成立一個AI投資公司來賺錢而且3000萬我聽起來我覺得很傻眼我真的覺得非常傻眼而且這個董事長據說是明年5月就卸任了嘛對吧在卸任前半年進行這麼大的一個投資計畫 |
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850.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
853.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
議員議員你讓我講一句話我所認識的胡董不是這樣的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
871.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
888.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那是你認識的啊?那是你認識的胡董嗎?跟大家認識的不見得同一個人啊?他是一個非常正直的人,所以委員您講的我可以幫他打保證啊。部長,因為胡董快要下台了,因為按照規定半年前要領選新的董事長,請問現在有新的董事長人選嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
892.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
906.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
您問的問題我們在進行中就是跟行政院去函給立法院要成立一個審議委員會按照政壇比例所以關於這個你就知道我以為是這樣可是你的好朋友余天在受訪的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
907.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
909.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔! |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
924.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
928.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
946.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
971.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
972.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
975.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
不然我跟你講現在全台灣一拜以上以為公廣的董事長是這樣來的啦。好謝謝葉雲智委員謝謝。謝謝謝謝。 |
| IVOD_ID |
157282 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157282 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-22-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T10:08:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T10:25:05+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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