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| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:54 - 10:03:31 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院、法務部部長、內政部部長、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、勞動部、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「如何遏止移工及青少年淪為詐騙集團工具，及打詐四法施行後相關子法及配套措施進度與具體成效之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝召委我們請法務部我們鄭部長麻煩部長警政署我們張署長署長 |
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是部長還有署長早我想我們國人對於詐騙案件感受很深所以今天招委排這個議題我想讓大家更深層的去探討詐欺案件為什麼我們打詐四法上路之後還是詐騙的金額還是維持在很高的一個金額然後案件量還是持續不斷的去上漲 |
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那我想我們明年打算的預算增加大概4.8倍當然政府是希望能以打詐視同作戰的決心除惡勿近但是我們看到就是說似乎也仍然不足以有效嚇阻這些詐欺犯罪 |
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那我第一個問題先請教署長署長剛才提到說今年7月我們打詐這個就詐欺的這個被害人的被詐欺金額是110億8月9月10月呢有統計嗎8月137億9月118億10月份120億 |
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所以今年度所以七、八月份七、八月份是高峰那九到十月是有稍微有降那委員長提的就是說我們打詐四法是在七月份通過通過之後現在就在做這個相關部委執法的這個修訂所以我會覺得這個今年的年底以前先是一個空空期是 |
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所以這個詐欺的這種狀況還是屬於高浩發的一個階段但是我看這案件是有漸漸的往下走因為你現在看有一些網路廣告平台你如果沒有實名制有很多人都沒有辦法配合 |
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從11月開始還沒統計統計到10月份就已經高達了10月還有120億是個高峰期所以11月截至目前為止你沒有做過統計因為今天已經11月21號了 |
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十一月會下降嗎?趨勢會下降嗎?我現在看因為我們每天都會公佈疫苗盤大概在1億到5億左右這張我剛才有講過就是說在7到8月份大概在4億多9到10月份大概3億9差不多2000多萬一天所以說這個數字看起來是 |
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緩步的再往下走那種趨勢你10月還在還比那個9月還多啊你說我看到就沒有了但你10月份大概到80倍了那我希望你講的是那個能夠是真實反應真實面11月我們希望看到你11月統計數字確實有呈現下降的一個趨勢我相信這個每天的儀表版我每天都跟他公佈而且是真實的數據 |
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現在打詐四法通過打詐的政策推行後我們現在目前看到的趨勢就是案件數及受害者的財損金額一直增加部長你認為為什麼一直增加這個趨勢的原因是什麼為什麼工具給了法案也都已經上路了 |
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那是什麼原因?以前那個都是電信詐騙都是我們傳統我們都會接到那個電話那那個是亂槍打鳥式的嘛那現在的那個詐騙的形象因為詐騙也會進化所以他現在最主要的詐騙的類型他現在是比較轉向那個投資型的一個廣告那投資廣告的詐騙金額多 |
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那些這個被害人的話他可能對象會資歷會比我們對象先打電話會資歷比較大所以不然你意思說現在就傳統的用打電話來行騙的這個類型已經慢慢減少了現在大宗的就是網路詐欺啦尤其是投資的部分 |
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這個投資詐騙的這部分的確是比較因為他有做一些包裝所以這些投資大眾會誤信誤信所以他等到發掘到的時候可能那個錢已經出了好幾筆部長你這樣回答可以那署長你的類型觀察到類型是不是因為網路投資的類型沒有錯現在的詐欺第一名就是 |
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這是投資型的網絡投資型的詐欺就是把你這個訊息投放給你就是高暴力高高高手的很快的時間就可以獲利把它點入他的點擊之後然後進入他的那個群組來的一直來養起來這樣好幫你套起來然後就在裡面詐騙話語了解其實是這種投資類型的是大宗大宗大概佔百分之六七十 |
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就是你們有一個165的APP打詐的APP嘛對建置這個費用大概多少大概一千多萬一千多萬嘛對速發部勒 速發部我們是副署長副署長請問啊那你們的建構的這個打詐APP總共花多少錢 |
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6千萬6千萬難怪剛才謝榮介會那麼生氣你們把這個業務不如移轉給我們那個警政署你們花了6千萬我有看到那個王世堅委員講說速發布建制這個APP花了6千萬比警政署多了6倍結果你們的成效非常的差 |
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我們今年建制的費用是不到一千萬那王委員所稱的六千萬是明年的 明年的費用那這些費用並不是只有建制費用因為還有包含一些可能未來還有一些客服可能要委外所以基本上明年六千萬明年變到五千多萬今年一千多萬所以是王委員質詢錯誤啊 |
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因為你們署長還講說你們部長還回答說因為這個還在測試階段啊所以成效不彰啊所以你今天跟我講那是明年才是建制費用是六千萬 |
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已經建置好了這個費用是延續性的是 所以你們是花了六千萬嘛是不是 你不要在這邊胡說八道喔到底是六千萬還是一千多萬委員我們重新說一遍就是說因為它今年是先建置然後明年的部分是建置再加上客服的部分因為我們還是要一些服務然後還是 比如說 |
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接聽接聽電話跟確認內容然後還有要去這個其實是蠻花人力的然後另外的話可能有比如說各個就是團體跟使用者有很多的需求需要把它修改我告訴你們 |
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因為我們看警政署真的很辛苦花了一千多萬建立這個一六的APP反詐APP但是你們明年你說六千多萬嘛要花那麼多的錢但是我們要看到的人民要看到是你們能夠這個把錢花在刀口上你要有積極的成效讓我們看到但是現在抒發部一直為人詬病的對整個打詐的一個功效啊做得非常的差 |
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剛才署長他們就是針對我們網路詐欺投資犯罪類型會這個有這麼重大的一個案件書一直在攀升被騙金額也那麼高請問訴法部對於這種網路詐欺的投資犯罪有什麼樣的一個政策工具能夠去遏止 |
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委員好謝謝給我們說明就是我們針對打詐四法的部分裡面像比如說詐欺犯罪防治條例以及那個洗房法的部分有授予我們就是要提出四個六個執法 |
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那我們六個執法目前也都已經訂定然後我們會依據時間在就是11月30號之前就是會去做一個公佈那之前針對就是網路廣告平台業者還有第三方支付跟電商業以及網路連線遊戲的部分其實我們都非常積極的去做一些行政指導跟行政檢查的部分那這個部分就是 |
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陳如我們之前部長有提到的我們非常的期待就是說也有預期我們在明年有關詐欺的部分會因為我們積極的處理然後他會下降我想你剛才給你很多時間去這個去做一個說明 |
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根據軍管會的統計顯示,截至今年10月底,僅Google與Meta的投資詐騙廣告量就高達63,191件顯示非實名制的廣告已成為詐騙的重要來源,許多詐騙集團利用境外作為規避執法 |
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596.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
616.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
的一個的一個方式所以請問我們速發部或者是我們法務部金管會金管會上來金管會就是說我們有沒有跨部會的一個聯繫還有我們跟國際的平台這些不管是google還有facebook我們如何建立更緊密的合作關係 |
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619.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
639.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
請司法部先回答這個部分一直是我們部長非常非常積極要求我們要跟他們去做一個比較好的一個聯防跟協作的部分那他們也非常的配合然後也有提到說在今年年底之前他們都會把這個實名制的部分做好FB還有Google |
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642.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
650.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
GOOGLE、LINE、TITO都一樣只有訴發部還有法務部有沒有共同參與? |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
652.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
676.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這個法務部本來在太高監署我們就有一些的跟各部會的做一個聯繫平台所以我們會把檢察官的那些辦案的這些的發現我們可以再加強部我們會回饋給各部會所以各部會就是因為我們這樣大家共襄盛舉大家群聚所以過了很多那個制度大家為有關心的就是其實法務部也跟那個網路社群軟體包括 |
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677.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
699.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
LINE、META、GOOGLE這些有建立的資料調取的一個協議那這部分我想我們這邊都在進行那另外那個涉及詐騙廣告這部分有建立這個剛才有講通報下架機制或透過那個一些的停止的一個網頁的一個解析那這部分就做以上的補充那另外金管會呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
700.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
720.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
監管會我想問你就是說對於這個社群平台採實名制的積極性你們如何的去做一個法規的調整跟委員報告那目前的話剛剛委員其實已經有提到說我們現在的投資詐騙其實已經有發生6萬多件那跟委員報告這個6萬多件的話都是我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
721.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
744.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
在網路平台上我們主動去收報出來的那發覺說他違反了我們目前我們目前先用的是投進投庫法他用冒名的方式或是匿名的方式去做的這一部分我們在第一時間然後就請親自警察局這邊幫我們去幫他下架那目前的話我們執行的策略就是我們在搶速度我們速度越快能夠讓他下架的話那這 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
744.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
751.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
被害人就不容易被看到是 那個 教練我再問你就是目前詐欺犯罪委員會條例授權的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
753.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
776.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
他的進度如何?我們執法的部分的話我們現在未來會在11月30日之後就會發布那我剛才關心的就是說目前我們金管會要如何確保社群平台啊因為現在我們看到有幾家銀行嘛他們對於這種沒有採私名制的這些網路平台就是不再跟他投廣告嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
777.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
788.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
那對於這種社群平台採實名制的積極性而非僅停留在現在是由金融業它治癒的層面你們未來要如何的去做規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
789.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
810.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
跟委員報告那目前金融業這邊他是採取的是一個自動自發的方式他針對這些沒有實名制的他會請他會把他廣告撤下那未來這一個那個打詐四法生效之後的話那在有關的這個速發部這邊只要是指定的這些平台業者他都必須採用實名制如果沒有採用實名制的話後續都會有相關的罰則好謝謝好謝謝那我們現在 |
| IVOD_ID |
157273 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157273 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T09:49:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T10:03:31+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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