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委員名稱 謝龍介
委員發言時間 09:31:46 - 09:49:48
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會議時間 2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議(事由:邀請司法院、法務部部長、內政部部長、內政部警政署署長、內政部移民署署長、勞動部、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心、金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「如何遏止移工及青少年淪為詐騙集團工具,及打詐四法施行後相關子法及配套措施進度與具體成效之檢討」進行專題報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 感謝主席我請法務部部長及內政部署長好 署長我先請兩位來部長你好 老闆署長 辛苦了委員 老闆
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 部長請教你喔37個私刑犯啦現在有30個啊說已經憑離譜已經過期了沒保留的啊現在司法院因為我感覺很奇怪有可能這樣就查沒有啊沒有也把以前審判那些法官叫來問看有沒有你是不是都有幫他判私刑沒有那個就沒得查了啊這30個啦不能夠繼續記啊部長這樣要怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 大法官說可以再拖,那是不對的,那是違背人權的精神喔你給人家拖那麼久了對不對,有的拖了十幾年了這三十個如果不可以再拖就對了啦你如果要幫忙,我已經在這裡跟你講過了喔我們剛好有十五個大法官,包括李哲的那幾個都給他算了一個人叫林佑郎的,坐在他們家吃飯大三個月
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 有處理的對不對現在問題來了這七個都有一體的判決判於死刑所以大概這七個是沒命回中原啦部長我請教你一時要跟執行
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 這個我們會依照憲判議職8號的一個解釋,如果有受刑能力的話,我們就可以依法執行。
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 裡面有幾個可以執行的問題是你要執行嗎這管理在你這便你的問題這個有依照憲法的意旨的話那現在這個37個還在現在還在檢查總長在審那7個可以處理我告訴你這個還是要審這個我想這個我告訴你啦救法研法我們就以目前來講最高你現在要叫老總統請那些民調現在我存力
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 純粹沒有人有辦法救他民進黨在我委員會沒有一個可以救他,就純粹你你這麼大兩個人,你民調的氣差不多10%,看你要什麼我不會害你啦,我都在幫你捧場這七個可以打兩下,打兩下給我們看看,彌補人民對待法官釋懸的失望
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 副長你有說陳啟毅人已經遭處理了人還要再過來對不對目前的話是有專案小組在做一個你說人還要再過來嗎這個研判研判來你的研判可能不對來我請書長你知道我一向對警察很有信心的是這個人還要再過來
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 現在的訊息各方面都有啦那我們現在還在查證當中我的情報說他在外南啦
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 委員 現在印尼專業小組還在做 印尼這牽涉到偵查中的這個案件這哪有偵查中 這偵查中 人去我找去啊我們在這種這個 法覽監管有那個互助嗎有 有互助 有互助 我們有派聯絡管理現在監管有在互動的像菲律賓一樣嘛
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 我們的犯罪受理如何?這裏面有吃人及沒吃人的嗎?部長你請坐啦,這中間你比較無啦你不是智慧公啊?沒有啦,我來回答一下啦,我回答一下,因為打詐的這個儀表板現在我們在處理嘛,現在一天啦,一天差不多都在四億左右啦
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 我看 鄉親聽到這事實是都白痴老白痴所以說這陣是一個...這陣是一個...有哪是一個...因為我們在這要討論的說你這個平台要呈現真實的數字啦對 是真實的數字因為裡面有勝案到沒勝好 來 從這個數字出來剛才市長說你在報告說這五席裡面有外南的、菲律賓的
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 跟我人的相較多,我有泰國的,這裡是實際參與立場的案件,那裡是包括提供中和給詐欺集團,都有算了
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 這就是有抓到的案件啦你不用想說有抓到的嘛好來一百十一年就有三百幾個啦三百八十幾個一百十二年七百三十幾個我知道那三十二萬塊的啦阿沒有抓到的所以說有一些沒抓到的就是藥膏有一些再來這裡移工他的口罪金管會敢來金管會拜託會來
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 我感覺你們這個平台就都沒有方向在那裡來我...順便我請教你喔,一個移工進來,一個月薪水合理說應該多少錢?差不多在兩萬多...三萬不超過了喔?不超過三萬給你算加班三萬通是不是可以把這個金管...金管費就說...我現在說的這個考則房提供的是包括違法的
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 逃逸的、逃逸的這些包括合法的已經出境了、考測還在的。」金管委你知不知道?
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 委員好 有關於這個部分我們已經有跟移民署有借介資料也就是說如果外籍移工已經有出境或者收容等這些資訊銀行可以查知得到那如果銀行查到這些外籍移工已經這個帳戶已經沒有薪資進來可是卻有異常的資金進入他可以做相關的管控您很被動 很被動
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 遏止移工及青少年淪為詐騙集團工具.及打詐四法遏止移工及青少年淪為詐騙集團工具.及打詐四法
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 甚至他想要來接受遷還,我參集票就不賣!然後我把我的帳戶又賣一倍!」你知不知道有這個情形?就是說如果這個人已經不在國內可是帳戶有異常的資金管的進出金管會這邊喔,是這樣喔不要有這個官僚的心態啦我感覺因為你們都會想說想要幫忙不夠積極啦不夠積極啦
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 能不能設定就研議啊你正常你的薪水不會超過三萬假如這些列管的移工外籍移工的帳號他每個月進出一禮拜譬如說超過十到十五萬這就異常了嘛你是薪水的五倍如果這樣就把這個他作為警示低度
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 的警示或是中度的警示賬號的時候,搞乎競證書這處理下去,很快就可以發覺這裡是有詐欺或沒有詐欺,甚至會讓詐欺案件減少很多,你們有這樣考慮嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 同意委員的說法不過這個部分這個金額要怎麼設定就是由各銀行他會去看相關資金的進出來做相關的處理他可以停止他的交易也可以來做圈存做凍結現在我們在這裡就是要討論這個結構出來我告訴你譬如他三萬他不是來做生意的他是來吃頭肉的
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 這套路他不是要做生意一個月基本薪酬不會超過3萬如果這樣他一個月匯入有10萬、15萬譬如說我們自己15萬因為你如果只有15萬額度一般詐欺集團不會用因為他用了他付出一個代價收到15萬就緊死了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 我說這樣你有理解這個情形嗎?了解啊如果這樣是不是15萬就已經是青少年五輩了呢?啊我們就把他提出經濟人口交給經濟單位打詐中心他是不是就這樣有辦法嗎?指揮說啊你比這樣我看不懂你不就要跟金管會說一下
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 跟委員報告委員的意見我們列管然後我們把這個部份帶回去打造你列管金管會不配合你們的列管不了嗎?我們列管有跨平台我們有跨平台的列管金管你認為這個金價在10萬至15萬這樣有可恥嗎?署長這樣有可恥嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 因為詐騙集團他不敢嘛,我給你收一個帳戶來,15萬就去給我們經時啦,他會覺得沒必要,所以這移工的帳戶他就不會去贏了嘛
transcript.whisperx[35].start 863.215
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 我們現在一般就是說我們台灣鄉親就對了 大家去我們騙家已經都會跌價了所以要再給我拿帳號要什麼 我們警覺信高他才會轉而去找這些移工嘛你移工你要把這個門檻扭起來10萬至15萬合理啦 外國可以處理
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 這些怎麼樣符合這個異常的態樣我們可以再來討論,那回去再做相關的討論你報告,演繹一個報告一句話給我好嗎?可以一句話給我具體的做法,我感覺這是不用說太多大合文啦對象下誘,吃到誘,青少吃一口吃不到誘,你臨時吃一口,請一堆人去各國總考路營
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 這移工外籍移工的首級列管
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 報告委員,我們現在就是跟那個警政署這邊有建165聯合風險資料庫,如果有那個通報的話,他只要輸入那個護照號碼,那我們電信業者這邊都會有列管,大概...欸,輸掉啊,越來關案件越多
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 有關發生的案件多少?詐騙的金額多少?有的齁,有的,這案件都當然有關在處理中,中有一些可能有求,沒說完全都做得這麼好,沒完全嘛
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 沒有全部所以這其實你現在說的這是補完我是覺得最重要的就是在那個廣告平台的訊息堵住源頭不管是外我們今天討論的是外籍移工他的金融廣告平台那就是專門的嘛那應該是在那個平台的源頭堵止住
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 那個是一個最大宗的 最大宗就是我們人民不去接受這個訊息 不去接受這個嘛這個藥帳戶啦 手機啦 是要犯下的手段而已啊就是那個最大就是那個訊息要堵住
transcript.whisperx[42].start 1019.451
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 堵住你地盤堵住堵得住嗎應該可以堵得住因為這個部分堵得住配合四法部四法部我們要把它廢掉啊你們不要再配合了啦廢掉了我們打詐就去你廢掉打詐就去啊前者已轉啊沒有四法部啊我們就都沒辦法打詐不是這樣啦絕對不是這樣啦對不對四法部給我們拿那麼多錢喔
transcript.whisperx[43].start 1048.982
transcript.whisperx[43].end 1072.888
transcript.whisperx[43].text 只要貼20%的錢,交給經濟署就對了,經濟署絕對做屁比較好,對嗎?你有信心嗎?人家這樣說啦沒有啦,真的啊!修法部,你沒帶沒紙,你要在這裡貼一本書,那六星庭已經對你很感冒了,你都沒在注意你要注意老闆娘的動用啦,修法部準備要包起來啦
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 我們下一位請林思明委員發言
IVOD_ID 157268
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157268
日期 2024-11-21
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-36-15
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 15
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 36
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議
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開始時間 2024-11-21T09:31:46+08:00
結束時間 2024-11-21T09:49:48+08:00
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