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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:19:05 - 17:30:45 |
| 影片長度 |
700 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、邀請相關部會首長就「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期特別預算執行情形及成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查行政院函請審議「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案(114年度)」（僅詢答）。
【預算提案截止時間：11月27日（三）中午12時】
【11月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,是不是可以麻煩有請主席長好,陳主席長 |
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委員好主計長好因為我們這個會期是預算會期所以我覺得立法委員在審預算的時候我們要負責任就要清楚地看那個預算書他只是說我最近看這個預算書我是越看越困惑什麼叫越看越困惑我相信這個預算書編列的內容跟方式主計長應該都很熟啦您從地方政府一路到中央政府 |
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旁邊有計畫的用途後面有說明然後說明會更具體的講說這個錢到底要花到什麼地方去嗎但我的問題來我有什麼問題我的問題是我花那麼多的時間在拜讀你們所編出來的預算書啊讓我覺得陷入迷惘我預算書看這麼認真有何意義啊 |
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為什麼我說我預算書看這麼認真有何意義啊?因為我後來發現這根本是作文比賽我為什麼說這是作文比賽?因為我錢沒有花到我在說明的那個用途我後來發現好像也都沒有關係 |
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我為什麼說我看了預算書看了半天以後我發現我在浪費生命看錯文因為後面怎麼寫一點都不重要立法院通過預算以後啊我愛怎麼花就怎麼花後面那些文字啊 |
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我不好意思講是廢話但沒有辦法發揮規範功能那我今天提出了這樣的問題我就一定要舉證嘛其實我今天下午在未還委員會我針對有關於啊這一次發生的不幸事件那位分署長的事情提出質詢的時候我順便就質詢啊他端午節送禮過年送禮 |
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中秋節送禮他可以從救安基金可以從救保基金從一些莫名其妙的預算科目甚至連在做廣告、做媒體的錢他全部都可以挪來買禮品 |
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去做他個人的關係我看了瞠目結舌啊那沒有關係今天勞動部部長答應我兩個禮拜他會做調查報告出來我等到調查報告出來了以後到底是浪費公帑移送法辦還是合法雲芝查汙不法我等到勞動部的調查報告出來以後我會再具體的請教主計長 |
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但我今天要舉證的項目是什麼來看一下我在看這些計畫內容的時候我以前一直在追原民會的主委你哪裡來一百多萬啊去出你個人的寫真集我就去找預算書啊錢哪裡來的啊今天我來請主計長仔細看一下齁他說 |
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我要推動原住民族政策法規內容有三項一個是要收集整理原住民族相關政策施政計畫97萬6第二個項目本會施政方針施政計畫及業務工作報告彙整編5萬 |
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第三個項目推動原住民族政策及法規編室外我想要第一個請教主記長的是他在內容寫這樣的內容這個內容是參考用還是裝飾用還是要限定你就要做這件事情來請教主記長這個主要是針對他的一個業務的一個需求去做一個敘述然後這個整個也配合他的一個計畫所以他花錢要不要受到 |
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這個限制那這個部分就是必須要跟他計畫的內容相關那如果內容不相關呢? |
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內容不相關因為一般我們的預算的用途別他有雲枝的一個相關的規定不好意思你講大聲一點我聽起來有點吃力不過真的不好意思再麻煩主席長因為我們預算用途別也有雲枝的一個相關的規定所以這個部分大概就是如果對我了解雲枝的規定嘛但我給主席長看一下這個雲層什麼樣子我剛說他花145萬出個人寫真集沒有冤枉他啦 |
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有很多人說他已經下台了下台不要追究對不起啊這個觀念我無法接受 |
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他下台了以後之前幹的事情都不用追究那以後大家有樣學樣大家都這樣幹就可以了嘛原民會主委可以出個人寫真集我速發部部長也長得很帥啊我也可以出個人寫真集啊沒有寫在預算書裡面不要擔心我可以找得出錢怎麼找得出錢我秀給主計長看 來 |
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329.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
355.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
結果他說要收集整理原住民相關政策97萬6全部拿去出寫真集本會施政方針5萬也全部拿去推動原住民族政策法規也全部拿去結果寫了三個不同的內容搞了半天花的時候是同一個用途就是幫主委出他個人歌功頌德的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
357.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
379.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
結果還不夠 不夠也沒有關係我還有一個新的項目叫做辦理原住民族人口基礎庫規劃及建設研究連要辦理原住民族人口基礎資料庫的規劃及建設研究都可以撥38萬4去幫他出個人的寫真集這就是您剛剛所講的雲芝嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
381.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
396.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
來 主席長可不可以告訴我們全體的立法委員我花這麼多時間看預算書到底有何意義我花這麼多時間看預算書有何意義這上面寫的東西我不好意思講是屁話啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
397.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
415.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
但趨近於廢話如果錢可以這樣花的話我認為我們在審預算書看這些內容毫無意義啊預算過了我愛怎麼花就怎麼花沒有任何的限制所以我想要今天特別請教不要說質詢我不敢質詢我請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
419.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
438.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
我請教您是這到底合法還不合法如果搞得這麼誇張都合法那顯然我國的預算制度有重大的問題搞得這麼誇張如果最後的結論是合法請容我這樣講我國的預算制度有重大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
441.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
464.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
掛羊頭賣狗肉嘛先寫作文錢先騙到錢騙到以後我愛怎麼花就怎麼花沒有人管得了我啊來請主席長說明事實上呃這個部分是不是跟計畫原來計畫的用用沒有沒有那個我現在齁在預算書上面看到的文字啊請主席長您看一下 |
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466.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
490.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我是索諾罵罵完全照抄過來沒有多一個字沒有少一個字這個就是我們立法委員看到的嘛其他的東西我們看不到啊我最後只能去追蹤這個錢到底怎麼花嘛那我想要請教主計長的教一下我們這些全體的立委預算編成這樣結果最後花成這樣這到底合法不合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
492.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
507.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
這個合法不合法不是由我來認定而是說這個部分因為這個部分就據我所知審計部他也有在進行查核那這個部分就是等於是說我們還必須要看他本身這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
508.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
527.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
主委他本身這個專刊的一個內容那是不是有跟這個計畫有相符合或者裡面有沒有誅咒很大那這才能夠確定說這個經費到底是合法不合法這樣所以這個部分我們也必須要查證以後才能夠做好沒有問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
528.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
542.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
主委部長您的精神你要查證我明天我會請辦公室送一本我剛講的寫真集到您的辦公室去因為你當然看完了以後你也可以做你的評價說這不是寫真集 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
545.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
569.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這跟原住民的政策本會的施政方針以及我們的業務工作報告根本就是在講這件事情不是什麼個人寫真集黃國昌質詢無憑無據胡說八道你也可以形成這樣的見解台灣是一個自由民主法治的社會嘛那但是我們就依法論法把它講清楚因為我這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
570.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
596.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我一定要打破砂鍋問到底到底這樣子幹是不是合法如果這樣幹還合法的話那我必須要講問題嚴重啦我們整個預算制度啊根本是形同虛設紀律蕩然無存啦我為什麼會擔心這個紀律蕩然無存啊我們的行政院院長卓榮泰告訴大家不要浪費公帑 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
597.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
623.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
不可以浪費公帑這是全體納稅人大家共同的希望但在我的角度是這就是浪費公帑但問題是浪費公帑我們竟然還沒有辦法對它怎麼樣代表了這個國家出現了嚴重的問題因為我也有看你們主計總處在跟人家上課的時候預算經費的使用應符合計畫內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
626.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
646.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
預算費用的使用應符合計畫內容但是剛剛那個有符合計畫內容嗎?您現在沒辦法做判斷我尊重我一定會送一本到你們那邊去過兩個禮拜等到勞動部的調查報告出來以後我也會送一份報告給您我們一定要搞清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
647.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
673.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我們過了預算裡面有說明我們本來以為是要做什麼好事結果錢拿去胡搞瞎搞胡搞瞎搞完以後如果整個最後的結論是這個查無不法謝謝指教那我們的預算制度就有需要徹底的檢討到時候再麻煩主席長因為主席站起來我後面其實很多問題其實後面也沒有人在等 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
676.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
陳樹業委員陳穎委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157251 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157251 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,15,19,22,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[5] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T17:19:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T17:30:45+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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