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| 委員名稱 |
鄭正鈐 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:54:44 - 16:01:51 |
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427 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好,我請一下何部長 |
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部長你好我想說今天整天備詢下來其實我們也看到你掉眼淚我們也看到你對於原本的調查報告提出了很多不同的轉折提出了一些新的處分那因為我看到了這個整個調查報告當中你們記者會當中直接講到說沒有辦法證明北分署長謝怡榮有實際的職場霸凌的情形我真的完全崩潰 |
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這麼多一個北分署、勞動署和勞發署這一邊一兩百個人寫出陳情書喔民進黨民意代表收到了超過150份以上的陳情書這麼多的案例當中的時候你說沒有辦法證明還有實際的職場霸凌我想問一下部長喔怎麼樣才叫做有實際的職場霸凌您可以具體講一下 |
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對 我們在調查報告裡面其實也有證實他確實有對其他的同仁有實際的職場霸凌所以對其他的同仁有實際的可是對這個往生者無性的共生是沒有職場霸凌 |
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透過誠誠的傳達有可能OK誠誠的傳達嘛因為我對這部分是完全沒辦法接受而且因為看到你們記者會之後呢很多的人繼續在爆料就第一個爆料說我們的所有的那個調查小組的組成的成員啊很多人都跟謝宜龍有直接的關係或間接的關係 |
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至少在陳情人裡面昨天跟我們聯絡的就有了他們就直接講到說這些小組裡面有很多人跟他有什麼樣的關係然後就直接寫出來直接間接的很多他就直接講到說這調查相互組分別就是關關相互所以大家看到這個調查報告絕對就是勞動部出來要來幫這個分署長洗地用的你知道嗎只是沒有想到這樣出來之後就讓大家更惱怒 |
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所以你剛剛也直接講到說那個拉巴族署長會被記憶大過會調離現職對不對都直接講了這個都是今天在備詢當中才直接做了一個轉彎那我本期這邊要特別提到說因為大家看到你們這個記者會內容之後有人繼續來爆料就有人講說謝宜龍他在他當分署長任內的時候 |
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有很多的標案都先指定廠商先做了之後再來把後面的程序補起來你知道這個事情嗎我們正在調查中調查中嘛那現在的情況碰到這個情況的時候我們看到謝榮可能想要一走了之拍在屁股走掉那我們要怎麼去追究這後續的一個責任 |
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還是會送考機會溢儲的他如果都不當公務人員他還送考機會還在乎你做考機會溢儲搞出人命出來的人就走掉了所以在這個部分本席也特別要求我們他還沒有做出處分前我不會准他的辭呈 |
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沒有做出處分前不會准他離職我們都記住然後我們也希望召委這邊針對這個案子的時候希望能夠在院會當中提出一個調查委員會成立一個調查委員會針對這部分來做一個很詳細的一個糾正因為在勞動部 |
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昨天你跟次長都在哭今天你在備詢你也哭可是光哭不能解決問題我們看到整個台灣的一個勞動環境看到勞動部發生這樣子的事情的時候我們 |
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要哭的是老百姓要哭的是勞工不是高高在上的官員那我在這邊也特別提到在這過程當中11月4號當天的時候謝宜龍他就召開了三場的說明會針對分署裡面的員工就開始講出通靈說這個部分然後還要求大家能不能夠做得到不要把這個霸凌的事情往外說明部長你知道這事情嗎 |
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我這邊最後再問一個行政院人事行政總處這邊 |
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因為馬上因為勞動部發生這件事情之後很多其他的部會也開始報出來類似的一個案子今天下午馬上就報出了一個衛福部、疾管署也出現土皇帝這樣的事情的時候我們政府到底要怎麼去做 |
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這個部分的話該調查該處理的就是要做處理我想院長在上個禮拜的院會也有 |
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我們在看到這當中的時候我們希望就是政府真的是能夠去執行解決問題而不是只想要解決提出問題的人因為新北的民進黨議員李雨祥受到了關切然後大家就覺得說怎麼會一個民進黨的議員 |
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這個調查過程我想機關在做處理我們有相關的處理機制在運作 |
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OK那我想說這邊的時候我們就期待我們接下來的時候我們在院會當中的時候能夠成立一個針對這個議案的一個調查委員會希望能夠真正透過國會的一個聽證調查權把這問題能夠釐清該負責任的人直接負責任而不是部長直接講說責任到他就可以了我們認為這件事情是整個行政體系的一個問題不是一個部長 |
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報告委員因為我這個這個 |
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提出申訴的話依照我們現行的相關的那個作業流程理解我剛剛請你上來只要特別提到機關署也發現土航地請直接那個機關署他們也已經在啟動調查理解對所以在行政院這邊成立委員會這我沒辦法在這邊做成這個不是我的職權範圍而且多謝老師我們立法院要成立委員會不是行政院抱歉還是回到機關裡面來做處理理解好謝謝 |
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謝謝鄭委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157237 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157237 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T15:54:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T16:01:51+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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