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| 委員名稱 |
洪申翰 |
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15:30:11 - 15:38:02 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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部長我們今天在衛生環境委員會討論這個議題坦白說非常非常沉重我想先再問部長一次部長你覺得昨天勞動部公布的調查報告你對這調查報告的內容你滿意嗎我想我自己也不滿意 |
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我想其實你應該知道其實這一個多星期以來我的辦公室非常非常關注這件事情其實我也好幾度提醒勞動部必須非常非常審慎處理這件事情是我必須坦白說當昨天我看到調查報告的時候我是非常非常的失望的但我的失望是一回事 |
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但從昨天調查報告公布以後我接到更多的來自勞動部基層的陳情我最擔心的事情是我們勞動部的基層對調查報告或對勞動部更失望我最擔心這件事情所以昨天在調查報告公布以後坦白說我是接到更多這樣子的訊息的 |
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部長我想請問齁如果勞動部去針對企業做勞檢的時候發現僱主要求勞工打假卡這有沒有違法?會不會開罰?有事實明確就會開罰事實明確會開罰嗎?對不對?處刑紀錄登載不實依照我們勞基法就可以處處分了好 部長我們在現在有很多媒體報導的訊息裡面看到這一位 |
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親身的公務員說到他有被打被迫打假卡的狀況部長有看到嗎平常先講如果就調查小組的調查他就打假卡的狀況確實就是不尋常部長我要說的事情是從我從勞動部的這些公務人員來跟我們說的訊息裡面 |
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我要跟部長講齁我們收到的訊息是這樣子的署長也在這邊第一個謝分署長 |
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很長時間在要求大家要大量的加班交付很重的工作但重點是他不讓同仁們報加班好所以當公務員被要求大量加班但又不讓他報加班的時候最後的結果是什麼只有兩個一個要不就被迫打加卡第二個 |
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要不就是請調申請調職這會不會是我們有這麼多的北分署的公務員要求調職請調的原因我認為這件事情部長應該要查明清楚所以我要說的事情是這恐怕不是只是對這一位親身的公務員的個案的問題如果這一位謝分署長 |
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他是在整個署的領導裡面都長期的要求大家用這種方式打假卡部長我要問請問勞動部對於其他企業進行工時進行勞檢的時候要怎麼開罰謝謝委員提供這個訊息我真的也是第一次聽到部長這是很多這些基層來跟我們反映的事情所以為什麼我們要說為什麼大家覺得失望 |
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因為像這樣子的事件大家都沒有在這個調查報告裡面看到謝芬署長對於署下的要求不是只對這位親身的公務員啊是整個署啊這是為什麼現在我們收到的訊息裡面接收到的爆料裡面有這麼多是來自於勞發署、北分署他們受不了 |
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部長所以我想請問所以接下來在你得知了這些新的狀況以後你會怎麼對謝分署長或者是該做的處置你會怎麼處置我已經謝分署長會計兩大過停職然後 |
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我想蔡署長我會給我會寄他一個大過調離主管職然後我們會移送司法移送司法對移送司法檢調以及公務人員懲戒委呃就是監察院部長我在這邊當然我知道今天下午的時候你有做了這樣子的宣示這是你說這是你的態度可是我這邊想要再跟部長說我認為我們需要在最快速度讓打假卡的文化 |
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在勞動部消失按照我剛才說的我想我們會來測查我們所有的主管如果勞動部都變成是帶頭要求打假卡的話那我們怎麼勞檢啊我們真的沒有辦法勞檢啊我們會來測查處長你知不知道這件事情在北分署裡面這麼多的同仁 |
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被要求大量加班又被要求不能報加班最後只能打假卡署長報告委員 那個就是上班的時間跟他的刷卡確實有不一致這個是確實那至於說那個 署長我現在問的是整個署喔我現在不是指說這一個公務員喔我的 我說的是整個署有這樣子的文化跟這樣的要求署長知不知道是 這個部分確實有很多反應這個部分那為什麼署長之前沒處理 |
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為什麼反映了沒有寫在調查報告裡面?你覺得這件事情跟謝宏的狀況無關嗎?那為什麼沒有寫在調查報告裡面?你說你也聽聞到這樣的事情?所以在寫這個調查報告前你知道這個事情嗎? |
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發言委員並沒有很清楚並沒有很清楚整個署有這樣子打夾卡的文化你說你沒有很清楚署長發言委員這個是我沒有沒有盡到我的職責所以部長我希望齁當然我知道你做了處置但我我們在這邊要必須要求 |
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打假卡的做法跟文化必須要在勞動部裡面全面的清查不能讓它存在這不是這一位公務人員他到底死因為何直接因素為何的問題這是到底我們的勞動部還有沒有辦法再繼續成為臺灣中華民國政府在勞動方面的主管機關大家還信不信任勞動部的問題部長可以嗎好 |
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主席 |
| IVOD_ID |
157230 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157230 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
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2024-11-20T15:30:11+08:00 |
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2024-11-20T15:38:02+08:00 |
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