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| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:14:55 - 15:24:19 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩請勞動部長謝謝 |
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部長昨天你開記者會告訴大家說這個謝宜龍到底要怎麼處理要送考機會來斷定嘛你不能夠直接停職免職嘛但是今天你說你要推他兩大過停職之後剛剛已經有消息傳出來說他要辭職了然後要去美國陪小孩請問有這件事嗎有這件事嗎我剛剛才看到你剛才看到所以他請辭是跟誰請辭 |
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是跟誰請示?主長知道這個事嗎?還沒有這個消息所以並沒有收到辭呈我想要問部長其實這個事件大家社會很震驚很關心也很痛心大家其實除了看謝榮他的所作所為之外也在看勞動部第一時間出於這個事情的態度我感覺昨天勞動部第一時間就是想要息事寧人 |
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我想透過誠誠的傳達 |
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有沒有關係嗎?是有直接關係你現在又覺得有直接關係了好第二個就是有所以昨天說沒有直接關係今天又說有直接關係部長你昨天說你們的調查報告是呕心瀝血之作今天你說要重啟調查我就問請問一下如果是呕心瀝血之作為什麼今天又要重啟調查為什麼? |
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因為委員會要求是委員會要求還是你也覺得那個報告不是偶心力血之作我也同意你也同意那為什麼昨天第一時間你說是偶心力血之作為什麼你是自己這樣認為還是你受到調查委員甚至於幾位次長的蒙蔽因為那真的是外部專家花了很多時間那如果是這樣子的話為什麼你要重啟調查那就尊重啊 |
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因為委員會要求我必須尊重委員會所以部長你還是認為那個是偶心力血之作所以調查出來可能也是差不多是這個意思?絕對不是所以你也覺得不是偶心力血之作再來我想請教一下目的良善找到很多委員問你目的良善這幾個字是因為專家基於平衡用出來用語這是你講的嘛對不對?對吧? |
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是目的良善你們說為什麼要寫目的良善這四個字是因為專家基於平衡是委員所謂基於平衡是指說當然在專業的他們的論述他們的陳述上面他們都不去正反我非常覺得奇怪的是為什麼要這種事情要基於平衡啊調查報告就是把事實呈現嘛 |
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根本要基於平衡那個平衡就是事實也是事實也是基於事實那你就說基於事實嘛是啊所以目的良善就是你到現在還認為說這個本署長他的霸凌行為是基於事實的目的良善是這個意思嗎那你同意嗎你同意嗎那是外部專家的認知我得尊重你尊重那你同意嗎 |
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你同意嗎當然我沒有我也不認同這樣子你不認同嘛因為這事情害你們勞動被罵爆了嘛網友都說目的良善這四個字為所有企業重新的定義嘛只要目的良善就可以大聲講話就可以隨便罵人就不叫霸凌啊再來昨天你說必須要通過考機會才能夠對他作出處分你沒有直接權利為什麼今天你又有權利了為什麼 |
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我還是一樣要開考機會處理啊那你怎麼可以直接講說就要給他停職呢這是我的態度你的態度所以你的態度有可能跟考機會不一樣是不是一樣啊一樣應該是會一樣的應該是會一樣就代表你就可以那就是你就可以決定了嘛我講那麼多其實那還是必須尊重考機會的程序所以有可能不一樣有可能不一樣不會不一樣不會不一樣就是你就可以那你就可以決定了嘛 |
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所以昨天第一時間這是兩件事委員沒有委員部長如果說你本來就可以決定而且結果不一樣你昨天第一時間你就可以表明你的態度你要給他記兩大過停職你昨天為什麼沒有為什麼要讓火燒一天之後今天還說要給他停職為什麼第一時間因為我改變我的思考啊不跟大家講清楚你得思考因為我改變我的思考啊所以部長部長 |
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我只要跟你講喔謝毅龍這個人有問題我相信經過大家的討論都不用再講了但大家現在要看的是勞動部的態度勞動部我第一時間是想息事寧人喔要怎麼處分考機會決定我不能講或者是說這是噁心力血報告或者是目的良善去講這些讓大家覺得你在包庇他的話大家會對勞動部失望啊 |
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你知道網友現在已經把這個事件去跟洪仲秋事件做連結為什麼第一個都是跟霸凌有關第二個都是官僚主義在包庇這是大家現在對勞動部的感覺啦委員我做調查報告就是希望不包庇不包庇就做出來這樣報告大家都不滿意還有再來請教一下 |
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如果你要重新調查會調查的話你還會找許傳聖、黃琳娜、吳雅惠這三個人來調查嗎?黃琳娜跟吳雅惠都不是調查小組成員那他們三個是?只有許傳聖是召集人那召集人然後那另外兩位勒?那另外兩位他們在調查的過程當中扮演的角色是什麼?他沒有角色完全沒角色?是啊 |
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賴總統說民進黨一直是跟勞工站在一起的政黨賴總統講的 |
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發生了這樣的一個不幸勞工事件還在勞動部發生請問一下賴總統要出來講話嗎你會建議他出來講話嗎賴總統說沒有這是我的錯你的錯所以跟賴總統無關可是您知道我自己承擔您知道當時洪仲秋事件的時候馬總統有出來講話這是我的錯我自己承擔你自己承擔所以你保護賴總統 |
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這是可以看到一個總統的高度啦可以看到一個總統是否站在勞工這邊啦看到一個總統是否遇到一個舉國關注的一個這樣的不幸事件的態度我只問說部長基於你是勞工的主管最高主管機關你會建議賴總統出來像馬總統一樣出來跟大家講幾句話嗎你會建議嗎我自己承擔所以你會不建議 |
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好部長請教一下前部長許明川說他看了這個事件非常的遺憾但是他把原因歸咎於勞動部人員長期不足這樣講法您認同嗎 |
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478.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
這是原因之一他原因之一那你是勞動部欸你發生這樣的原因然後然後就兩手一攤然後就說哎呀就是因為長期不足的關係所以造成都沒有人要去解決這個問題欸委員跟委員報告因為勞動部也是公務體制啊那所以呢 |
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479.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
498.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那是原總原總在決定原的不是勞動部可以決定的你是勞動部照道理來講你應該最站在勞工這邊結果你遇到這個問題兩手一攤說我們也沒辦法解決這個問題那連你們都不能保護你們自己的勞工的你怎麼祈求全台灣的企業會保護員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
499.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
527.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
事實上勞動部無法決定自己的原額有多少那你有去爭取嗎你有為了你們自己的勞工捍衛嗎權益捍衛嗎不是現在的問題是說你是勞動部你一直宣導勞工權益很重要要所有企業重視勞工權益結果你們是勞動部你們沒辦法捍衛你們自己勞工權益這位不幸的這位不幸親生的這位當事人他加班剛剛我看許晓欣也有問啊為什麼他加班不用給加班費他還有沒有超時工作有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
528.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
549.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
他有超時工作?有啊,那都發生在你們勞動部啊這是最諷刺的地方啊你都不檢討然後就說都是人事行政總局的問題因為員額受到控管那你要減少讓員工做一些不必要的工作啊就好比說這個員工他就講啊做這個系統對於幫助勞動部對於這個職壓發展沒有任何幫助啊你們可以減少不必要工作量啊是嗎?委員是,這都我們的錯是,我們應該要檢討 |
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559.246 |
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559.266 |
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好 謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157227 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157227 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T15:14:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T15:24:19+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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