| IVOD_ID |
157225 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157225 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T15:02:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T15:14:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/be8492a9d81d8eab63dfd778a997f16415c44cfb23388520f42805494607c278686bf1ce6383841d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:02:18 - 15:14:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請部長部長好,我想這份調查報告公布到現在,您從早上備詢到現在,我覺得你應該可以很清楚地感受到 |
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整個社會其實不僅僅是外環委員會這麼多委員來執行整個社會對這份調查報告是憤怒的是有沒有重啟調查的必要我會重啟調查什麼時候重啟調查當然馬上就重啟調查馬上就重啟調查我希望喔重啟調查了以後真的能夠還原事件的真相因為有太多的疑問到現在 |
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對於被害人對於整個社會都沒有一個清楚的交代因為我看完這份報告了以後我腦海裡面顯現了第一個問題這份報告說這個長官涉及職場霸凌情節重大但是在前面他就說這位不幸往生的同仁他沒有遭受到長官霸凌的情勢 |
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我看完了這份報告以後我不斷在思考調查小組做出來的調查結果這個分署長有霸凌但是這個往生的人沒有被霸凌所有被霸凌的人沒有人往生剛好是那個往生的人沒有被霸凌部長這個報告這樣的結論您能接受嗎 |
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委員這個部分我可以跟您解釋好嗎?就是其實是到報告裡面沒有寫清楚為什麼就是說在謝分署長跟那一個離開的同仁之間還隔著兩個主管就是傅分署長所以你的意思是說有其他的主管涉及霸凌嗎?也不可能因為這個霸凌的程序是你說得非常的好也不可能這個就是我直接跟你講嘛 |
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當你們已經認定出來這個分署長有霸凌的事實但大家看到你們認定的結果是這位不幸往生的同仁沒有被霸凌這是一個完全矛盾完全衝突調查報告的結論部長您同意嗎 |
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公務員報告因為這主要是外部專家他們在基於事實而去做的陳述那他們只就他們眼看到的、聽到的事實做他只說無法證實啦所以嘛所以這邊調查報告社會才會憤怒嘛所以你今天才會在這邊承認有重啟調查的必要嘛是嗎是好來除了不幸往生的事件以外喔 |
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我其他得到的檢舉齁,我們一樣樣來,他有沒有濫用公帑,宴請有人。這個部分我瞭解過了,應該是指一個今年6月有,我們政風處長在現場嗎?是,政風處長來回答好嗎? |
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這個案子是東穎公所跟他們一個東永協會在5月份5月20號去拜訪北分署那北分因為這一個協會是北分署呢過去一直在埔島的多元就業的那個協會所以呢那個謝芬組長基於公宜呢那就在當天晚上有宴請花了多少錢總共在餐費部分大概是四萬兩千塊四萬兩千塊是 |
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從哪一個會計科目向下支出?那個會計科目我可能要再瞭解一個禮拜之內喔!把這件事情的原委寫清楚喔!我們這個會期在審查預算嘛!勞動部預算很多啊!很有錢啊!一個分署長請出去吃飯一頓就吃掉4萬多塊啊! |
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有沒有在辦公室裡面裝軌道燈導致電費增加? |
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需要多久?好,兩個禮拜,來接下來繼續請部長他上任以後 |
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浪花公堂送禮這件事情有沒有掌握?我們有看到資料你有看到資料嗎?這樣的請問你覺得適不適當?請問鄭鋒處長這個也是在我們調查的範圍裡一樣兩個禮拜嘛對這都是就是那一份的檢舉書裡面我們通通會調查來!裡面禮物有國會統籌運用統籌運用到哪裡知不知道? |
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一樣兩個禮拜調查報告寫清楚這個都是在我們調查範圍內我一樣一樣問嘛我怕你調查報告到時候寫出來跟這份報告一樣嘛避重就輕嘛破綻百出嘛大家為什麼憤怒所以我一點一點跟你們講啊今天沒有答案沒有關係啊我今後兩個禮拜以後的調查報告啊再往下看公帑買的禮盒他自己可以留著喔 |
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我現在不是在討論事實是在討論規範規範需要調查 |
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他所謂公帑買的禮盒是他所謂送自己人是什麼因為不是啦分署長室自己留著這是你們我鎖是你們回給我的資料嘛他可以自己留著喔可以嗎他那個如果是用公帑買的那就是公務啦 |
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我當初我跟你講啦我所有所知都調出來了啦送給誰我要他一樣一樣列清楚啦 |
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這個就是他列不清楚的阿直接講說分署長自己留著阿一樣喔兩個禮拜之內報告所以我們會留寫他的流向到什麼地方去事情還沒有結束阿備用125份現在在哪裡一樣兩個禮拜之內寫清楚是堆在倉庫裡還是拿去隨便亂發東西在哪裡 |
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我看我們的勞動部很有錢啊有錢到這個程度啊分署長上來不僅官威很大錢也很會亂花拿公帑找設計師買禮物做自己的公關可以這樣幹喔這是這個分署長才幹的還是這是整個勞動部的文化來請部長 |
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這絕對不是勞動部的文絕對不是勞動部的文化嘛回去瞭解一下不要再有第二種這種長官出現了更可惡的事情是你知不知道他買禮品的錢從哪裡來的知不知道部長知道嗎請委員那個你們喔 |
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就是署裡面的同仁啊我已經跟你們所知了你們就要知道我一定會問這個問題就要幫部長準備好要不然部長站在上面也很辛苦他一定不知道嘛他為什麼會不知道因為匪夷所思嘛我為什麼說匪夷所思來 |
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怎麼核銷的? |
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可以嗎?我想應該是不行你覺得應該不行嗎?後面還有更誇張的社群媒體標案可以拿社群媒體標案的錢因為太多啦花不完啦多到花不完還雲芝過來啊買禮物啊部長你覺得這個適合嗎?我想應該也是不適合也是不適合嘛更誇張的是促進銀髮就業青年就業專案也可以拿來送禮 |
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我相信啊!所有的立法委員在審預算的時候都不知道啊!勞動部跟立法院要預算是要促進營法就業、要青年就業計畫結果搞了半天拿來送禮喔!錢可以這樣花嗎?請教部長! |
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要透過送旅盒來做廣宣喔? |
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來,我們再往下看就業保險基金可以拿來送禮嗎?救保基金是拿來送禮的嗎? |
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這個就是救保基金裡面的預算了113年來送端午節43萬我再往下看就業安定基金可以拿來送禮嗎?一樣中秋節38萬我看完了以後啊那個請一下部長好嗎?請一下部長這個會期啊 |
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要處理預算當我們看到錢這樣花的時候我相信所有的立法委員心裡在問一個問題我們當初通過這個預算的時候是要給這位分署長拿來買禮物做關係嗎我相信沒有立委會同意 |
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這些內容是不是可以承諾一併兩個禮拜之內的調查報告要寫清楚可以嗎?該移送檢調的就移送檢調這已經不是只有單純失職的問題了啦該移送檢調的移送檢調希望下一次兩個禮拜兩個禮拜以後出來的報告能夠回應社會這些問題 |
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黃國昌委員 |
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黃委員國昌：（15時2分）謝謝主席。麻煩有請部長。 |
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何部長佩珊：委員好。 |
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黃委員國昌：部長好。這份調查報告公布到現在、您從早上備詢到現在，我覺得你應該可以很清楚地感受到，其實不僅僅是衛環委員會有這麼多委員來質詢，整個社會對這份調查報告是憤怒的，有沒有重啟調查的必要？ |
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何部長佩珊：我會重啟調查。 |
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黃委員國昌：什麼時候重啟調查？ |
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何部長佩珊：當然馬上就重啟調查。 |
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黃委員國昌：我希望重啟調查了以後，真的能夠還原事件的真相，因為有太多的疑問，到現在對於被害人、對於整個社會都沒有個清楚的交代。我看完這份報告以後，我腦海裡面顯現的第一個問題是，這份報告說這個長官涉及職場霸凌、情節重大，但是在前面又說，這位不幸往生的同仁沒有遭受到長官霸凌的情事。我看完了這份報告以後，不斷在思考，調查小組做出來的調查結果是這個分署長有霸凌，但是這個往生的人沒有被霸凌，所有被霸凌的人都沒有往生，剛好是那個往生的人沒有被霸凌。部長，這個報告這樣的結論，你能接受嗎？ |
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黃委員國昌：你的意思是有其他的主管涉及霸凌嗎？ |
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何部長佩珊：也不無可能，因為霸凌的情緒是…… |
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黃委員國昌：你說得非常的好！也不無可能。我就直接跟你講，當你們已經認定出來這個分署長有霸凌的事實，但大家看到你們認定的結果是，這位不幸往生的同仁沒有被霸凌，這是一個完全矛盾、完全衝突的調查報告結論。部長，您同意嗎？ |
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黃委員國昌：這樣的調查報告才會讓社會憤怒，所以你今天才會在這邊承認有重啟調查的必要，是嗎？ |
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何部長佩珊：是。 |
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何部長佩珊：針對這個部分，我了解過了，應該是指今年6月……我們政風處長在現場，請政風處長來回答，好嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[16][0] |
周處長志信：這個案子是東引公所跟東湧協會在5月20號去拜訪北分署，因為這個協會是北分署過去一直在輔導的多元就業協會，所以謝分署長基於公誼，在當天晚上有宴請。 |
| gazette.blocks[17][0] |
黃委員國昌：花了多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[18][0] |
周處長志信：餐費部分大概是4萬2,000塊。 |
| gazette.blocks[19][0] |
黃委員國昌：4萬2,000塊？ |
| gazette.blocks[20][0] |
周處長志信：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
黃委員國昌：從哪一個會計科目項下支出？ |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
周處長志信：有關會計科目，我可能要再了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
黃委員國昌：一個禮拜之內，把這件事情的原委寫清楚！我們這個會期在審查預算，勞動部預算很多、很有錢，一個分署長出去請吃飯，一頓就吃掉四萬多塊。有沒有在辦公室裡面裝軌道燈，導致電費增加？知道就說知道，不知道就說不知道嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
周處長志信：因為我們並沒有收到2月份的檢舉書，我們在這個月11號看到議員爆料的報導以後，已經立案調查，所以這部分也是在我們調查的項目之內。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
黃委員國昌：需要多久？ |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
周處長志信：大概兩個禮拜。 |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
黃委員國昌：好，兩個禮拜。接下來繼續請部長，他上任以後濫花公帑送禮，這件事情有沒有掌握？ |
| gazette.blocks[28][0] |
何部長佩珊：我們有看到資料。 |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
黃委員國昌：你有看到資料嘛！你覺得這樣的行為適不適當？ |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
何部長佩珊：我請政風處長。 |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
周處長志信：這個也是在我們調查的範圍裡面…… |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
黃委員國昌：一樣，兩個禮拜嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
周處長志信：對，這都在那一份檢舉書裡面，我們通通會調查。 |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
黃委員國昌：裡面寫禮物類別是國會統籌運用，統籌運用到哪裡，知不知道？一樣，兩個禮拜調查報告寫清楚。 |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
周處長志信：這個都是在我們調查範圍內。 |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
黃委員國昌：我一樣一樣問嘛！我怕你調查報告到時候寫出來跟這份報告一樣，避重就輕、破綻百出。大家為什麼憤怒？我一點一點跟你們講，今天沒有答案沒有關係，我靜候兩個禮拜以後的調查報告。再往下看，公帑買的禮盒，他自己可以留著，可以嗎？這個都是我索資的資料，公帑買的禮盒，分署長可以自己留著，可以嗎？不用跟我講事實，跟我講規矩就好了，規矩可不可以留著？請部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
何部長佩珊：我請政風處長說明。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
周處長志信：我們一併調查了解以後再報告。 |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
黃委員國昌：我現在不是在討論事實，是在討論規範，規範需要調查？ |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
周處長志信：不是，所謂公帑買的禮盒是……所謂送自己人是什麼……因為…… |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
黃委員國昌：不是！分署長是自己留著，這是我索資、你們回給我的資料。他可以自己留著，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
周處長志信：如果是用公帑買的，那就是公物，公物的話，那他…… |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
黃委員國昌：當然是公物，他可以自己留著？ |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
周處長志信：他先放在那邊，比如基於公務禮儀，如果他還有什麼需要送給……我們要看它的流向在什麼地方。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
黃委員國昌：我跟你講，我所有索資都調出來了，送給誰，我要他一樣一樣列清楚，這個就是他列不清楚的。直接說是分署長自己留著，一樣，兩個禮拜之內報告一併寫明。 |
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周處長志信：我們會了解它的流向到什麼地方去。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
黃委員國昌：事情還沒有結束！備用125份現在在哪裡？一樣，兩個禮拜之內寫清楚，是堆在倉庫裡，還是拿去隨便亂發？東西在哪裡？我看勞動部很有錢，有錢到這個程度，分署長上來不僅官威很大，錢也很會亂花，拿公帑找設計師、買禮物，做自己的公關，可以這樣幹喔？這是這個分署長才幹的，還是這是整個勞動部的文化？來，請部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
何部長佩珊：這絕對不是勞動部的文化。 |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
黃委員國昌：絕對不是勞動部的文化嘛！回去了解一下。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
何部長佩珊：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
黃委員國昌：不要再有第二種這種長官出現。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
何部長佩珊：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：更可惡的事情是，你知不知道他買禮品的錢從哪裡來的？知不知道？部長知道嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
何部長佩珊：請委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
黃委員國昌：你們署裡面的同仁，我已經跟你們索資了，你們就要知道我一定會問這個問題，就要幫部長準備好，要不然部長站在上面也很辛苦，他一定不知道嘛！他為什麼會不知道？因為匪夷所思嘛！我為什麼說匪夷所思？來，我在預算書裡面完全看不出來，我當初接到這個檢舉以後，第一件事先去找預算書，到底是哪一個會計科目項下送的？我完全看不出來，所以我只能夠請你們回答，花這個錢去買東西，從哪裡來的？辦理青年職能開發業務預算可以拿來送禮嗎？請教部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
何部長佩珊：會計處。 |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
黃委員國昌：可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
何部長佩珊：會計處在嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
黃委員國昌：怎麼核銷的？可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
何部長佩珊：我想應該是不行。 |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
黃委員國昌：部長，你覺得應該不行嘛！後面還有更誇張的，社群媒體標案！可以拿社群媒體標案的錢，因為太多啦，花不完啦，多到花不完還勻支過來買禮物，部長，你覺得這個適合嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
何部長佩珊：我想應該也是不適合。 |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
黃委員國昌：也是不適合嘛！更誇張的是促進銀髮就業、青年就業專案也可以拿來送禮，我相信所有立法委員在審預算的時候，都不知道勞動部跟立法院要預算是要促進銀髮就業、要青年就業計畫，結果搞了半天拿來送禮，錢可以這樣花嗎？請教部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
何部長佩珊：我請署長回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
蔡署長孟良：跟委員報告，我們這些計畫，因為大部分這些計畫都會有所謂的宣導跟廣宣，很多地方我們是利用這樣的一個方式然後…… |
| gazette.blocks[66][0] |
黃委員國昌：要透過送禮盒來做廣宣？ |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
蔡署長孟良：輔導我們這些庇護工廠跟多元培力的團體，然後透過這樣的協助，讓整個相關團體有這樣一個行銷的管道，這一部分基本上是希望跟我們的行銷推廣結合在一起。 |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
黃委員國昌：來，我們再往下看，就業保險基金可以拿來送禮嗎？就保基金是拿來送禮的嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
何部長佩珊：委員，我不知道這個…… |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
黃委員國昌：這個就是就保基金裡面的預算，113年送端午節43萬。我再往下看，就業安定基金可以拿來送禮嗎？一樣，中秋節38萬，我看完了以後，請一下部長好嗎？請一下部長。這個會期要處理預算，當我們看到錢這樣花的時候，我相信所有的立法委員心裡在問一個問題，我們當初通過這個預算的時候，是要給這位分署長拿來買禮物做關係嗎？我相信沒有立委會同意。這些內容，是不是可以承諾一併兩個禮拜之內的調查報告要寫清楚？可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
何部長佩珊：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
黃委員國昌：該移送檢調的就移送檢調。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
何部長佩珊：好，沒有問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
黃委員國昌：這已經不是只有單純失職的問題了，該移送檢調的就移送檢調，希望下一次、兩個禮拜以後出來的報告能夠回應社會這些問題，部長可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
何部長佩珊：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
主席：謝謝黃委員。黃國昌委員要求兩個禮拜的報告，請給黨團，還要給本委員會。 |
| gazette.blocks[76][1] |
接續我們請葉元之委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
360 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳菁徽 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
黃秀芳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
王正旭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[30] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[31] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[32] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[33] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[34] |
林國成 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[35] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[36] |
柯志恩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[37] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
231 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-20 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310201 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310201_00010 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試
院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作
業」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310201_00012 |