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委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
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15:02:18 - 15:14:43 |
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2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議(事由:邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告,並備質詢。) |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請部長部長好,我想這份調查報告公布到現在,您從早上備詢到現在,我覺得你應該可以很清楚地感受到 |
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整個社會其實不僅僅是外環委員會這麼多委員來執行整個社會對這份調查報告是憤怒的是有沒有重啟調查的必要我會重啟調查什麼時候重啟調查當然馬上就重啟調查馬上就重啟調查我希望喔重啟調查了以後真的能夠還原事件的真相因為有太多的疑問到現在 |
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對於被害人對於整個社會都沒有一個清楚的交代因為我看完這份報告了以後我腦海裡面顯現了第一個問題這份報告說這個長官涉及職場霸凌情節重大但是在前面他就說這位不幸往生的同仁他沒有遭受到長官霸凌的情勢 |
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我看完了這份報告以後我不斷在思考調查小組做出來的調查結果這個分署長有霸凌但是這個往生的人沒有被霸凌所有被霸凌的人沒有人往生剛好是那個往生的人沒有被霸凌部長這個報告這樣的結論您能接受嗎 |
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委員這個部分我可以跟您解釋好嗎?就是其實是到報告裡面沒有寫清楚為什麼就是說在謝分署長跟那一個離開的同仁之間還隔著兩個主管就是傅分署長所以你的意思是說有其他的主管涉及霸凌嗎?也不可能因為這個霸凌的程序是你說得非常的好也不可能這個就是我直接跟你講嘛 |
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當你們已經認定出來這個分署長有霸凌的事實但大家看到你們認定的結果是這位不幸往生的同仁沒有被霸凌這是一個完全矛盾完全衝突調查報告的結論部長您同意嗎 |
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公務員報告因為這主要是外部專家他們在基於事實而去做的陳述那他們只就他們眼看到的、聽到的事實做他只說無法證實啦所以嘛所以這邊調查報告社會才會憤怒嘛所以你今天才會在這邊承認有重啟調查的必要嘛是嗎是好來除了不幸往生的事件以外喔 |
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我其他得到的檢舉齁,我們一樣樣來,他有沒有濫用公帑,宴請有人。這個部分我瞭解過了,應該是指一個今年6月有,我們政風處長在現場嗎?是,政風處長來回答好嗎? |
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這個案子是東穎公所跟他們一個東永協會在5月份5月20號去拜訪北分署那北分因為這一個協會是北分署呢過去一直在埔島的多元就業的那個協會所以呢那個謝芬組長基於公宜呢那就在當天晚上有宴請花了多少錢總共在餐費部分大概是四萬兩千塊四萬兩千塊是 |
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從哪一個會計科目向下支出?那個會計科目我可能要再瞭解一個禮拜之內喔!把這件事情的原委寫清楚喔!我們這個會期在審查預算嘛!勞動部預算很多啊!很有錢啊!一個分署長請出去吃飯一頓就吃掉4萬多塊啊! |
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有沒有在辦公室裡面裝軌道燈導致電費增加? |
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需要多久?好,兩個禮拜,來接下來繼續請部長他上任以後 |
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浪花公堂送禮這件事情有沒有掌握?我們有看到資料你有看到資料嗎?這樣的請問你覺得適不適當?請問鄭鋒處長這個也是在我們調查的範圍裡一樣兩個禮拜嘛對這都是就是那一份的檢舉書裡面我們通通會調查來!裡面禮物有國會統籌運用統籌運用到哪裡知不知道? |
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一樣兩個禮拜調查報告寫清楚這個都是在我們調查範圍內我一樣一樣問嘛我怕你調查報告到時候寫出來跟這份報告一樣嘛避重就輕嘛破綻百出嘛大家為什麼憤怒所以我一點一點跟你們講啊今天沒有答案沒有關係啊我今後兩個禮拜以後的調查報告啊再往下看公帑買的禮盒他自己可以留著喔 |
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我現在不是在討論事實是在討論規範規範需要調查 |
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他所謂公帑買的禮盒是他所謂送自己人是什麼因為不是啦分署長室自己留著這是你們我鎖是你們回給我的資料嘛他可以自己留著喔可以嗎他那個如果是用公帑買的那就是公務啦 |
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我當初我跟你講啦我所有所知都調出來了啦送給誰我要他一樣一樣列清楚啦 |
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這個就是他列不清楚的阿直接講說分署長自己留著阿一樣喔兩個禮拜之內報告所以我們會留寫他的流向到什麼地方去事情還沒有結束阿備用125份現在在哪裡一樣兩個禮拜之內寫清楚是堆在倉庫裡還是拿去隨便亂發東西在哪裡 |
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我看我們的勞動部很有錢啊有錢到這個程度啊分署長上來不僅官威很大錢也很會亂花拿公帑找設計師買禮物做自己的公關可以這樣幹喔這是這個分署長才幹的還是這是整個勞動部的文化來請部長 |
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這絕對不是勞動部的文絕對不是勞動部的文化嘛回去瞭解一下不要再有第二種這種長官出現了更可惡的事情是你知不知道他買禮品的錢從哪裡來的知不知道部長知道嗎請委員那個你們喔 |
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就是署裡面的同仁啊我已經跟你們所知了你們就要知道我一定會問這個問題就要幫部長準備好要不然部長站在上面也很辛苦他一定不知道嘛他為什麼會不知道因為匪夷所思嘛我為什麼說匪夷所思來 |
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怎麼核銷的? |
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可以嗎?我想應該是不行你覺得應該不行嗎?後面還有更誇張的社群媒體標案可以拿社群媒體標案的錢因為太多啦花不完啦多到花不完還雲芝過來啊買禮物啊部長你覺得這個適合嗎?我想應該也是不適合也是不適合嘛更誇張的是促進銀髮就業青年就業專案也可以拿來送禮 |
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我相信啊!所有的立法委員在審預算的時候都不知道啊!勞動部跟立法院要預算是要促進營法就業、要青年就業計畫結果搞了半天拿來送禮喔!錢可以這樣花嗎?請教部長! |
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要透過送旅盒來做廣宣喔? |
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來,我們再往下看就業保險基金可以拿來送禮嗎?救保基金是拿來送禮的嗎? |
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這個就是救保基金裡面的預算了113年來送端午節43萬我再往下看就業安定基金可以拿來送禮嗎?一樣中秋節38萬我看完了以後啊那個請一下部長好嗎?請一下部長這個會期啊 |
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要處理預算當我們看到錢這樣花的時候我相信所有的立法委員心裡在問一個問題我們當初通過這個預算的時候是要給這位分署長拿來買禮物做關係嗎我相信沒有立委會同意 |
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這些內容是不是可以承諾一併兩個禮拜之內的調查報告要寫清楚可以嗎?該移送檢調的就移送檢調這已經不是只有單純失職的問題了啦該移送檢調的移送檢調希望下一次兩個禮拜兩個禮拜以後出來的報告能夠回應社會這些問題 |
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黃國昌委員 |
IVOD_ID |
157225 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157225 |
日期 |
2024-11-20 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
9 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2024-11-20T15:02:18+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-11-20T15:14:43+08:00 |
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