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| 委員名稱 |
李彥秀 |
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14:55:24 - 15:02:12 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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部長二三十年前你是站在街頭幫勞工爭取權益的憤青 |
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今天發生這個事情你身為1200萬勞工照顧捍衛勞工權益的大家長54萬公教人員都在看你怎麼處理這個事情本席今天其實這件事情發生在其他國家勞動部就是應該要下台我覺得 |
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我們對你的要求並不為過你剛才講說你就10天的時間勞動部的同仁陳情這些事情應該不只10天他有很長的時間這幾天今天整天質詢下來我對於勞動部內控的機制預警的機制對不對因為他不是只有最近這10天才發生他應該要有一個預警的機制顯然的 |
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預警的機制顯然的預警的機制也完全沒有了然後我看到你們勞動部完全是息事寧人的態度從昨天開的記者會開完之後所有國人媒體網路全部都炸鍋炸開了看到的是你們草菅人命我順便請一下消防署的同仁一起上來 |
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大家的結論都是勞動部變成霸凌的特區勞工的地獄網路大家都留這八個字送給你所以你覺得我請你下台為過嗎?不為過因為在其他國家就是如此你想想30年前的你你站在街頭幫勞工爭取錢益你是憤青的時候你怎麼去看這個勞動部部長 |
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你預警的機制在哪裡你說你10天不夠調查這件事情多少勞動部的同仁寫信在外面陳情你居然都不知道不管他是過去許部長任用的人選分署長這都是你的下屬可見你的管理機制是出了問題好我再請問一下剛才洪孟凱委員問的當天我請了消防署回應我警政署跟消防署回應我當天 |
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分署要求不能蓋白布並且是用坐輪椅的方式下台這件事情是怎麼回事我請消防署不是在嗎來你回應我副署長來報告委員那天的處置情形是怎麼樣報告委員當天是新北市那個去參與的救護那你知不知道你今天來到這邊你什麼都不知道你來這邊做什麼你不知道嗎當天是什麼狀況 |
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報告委員當時是那個新北市消防局去執行的分隊去執行的那你是要當時的狀況是怎麼樣嗎報告委員我不清楚那你來這邊做什麼你們今天來這邊做什麼越問越不清楚這就出現國外調查的重要性嘛 |
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報告委員因為這個整個調查小組是由人事處來擔任幕僚那剛才又說沒有影像現在消防署來也不能告訴我答案當天在現場我們既沒有影像消防署那一天 |
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怎麼把人帶下來的對跟委員報告當天的現場我在這邊跟您報告就是當天的時候我們人事主任把他解下來之後那馬上就詢問他們的他的家屬那他的家屬說要急救要急救所以我們把那個急救人員來的時候你問他家屬說要急救當天還有時間問他家屬要急救要急救所以下去的時候他是帶著氧氣罩 |
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之前王安邦次長2月20號就約談了分署長那之後次長就黯然離職了但是我們的分署長是不動如山這件事情他到底當時有沒有寫報告 |
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你是指2月的約談嗎?2月20號王安邦的約談我們部裡沒有任何記錄啊你說寫報告有沒有約談這件事情我只是聽說 |
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那還是第二個我認為整件事在調查過程當中你都是聽說不是委員我有我現在已經要重新調查這個案了我早上有回答王玉敏委員的詢問如果都要發生事形憾事你現在才你才知道我覺得你的預警機制真的有問題好我第三個問題我要突顯另外一個問題你知道一般的離職率大概多少是合理的嗎企業界多少的離職率是合理的嗎 |
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好我告訴你答案因為我今天我不想這樣別人寫大概兩層是合理的你知道我們北分署扣掉工友跟技工我們的緣合數是132人扣掉所謂工友技工我們有124人你知道我們離職率多少嗎我們有81個人離職 |
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這個分數裡面有6乘5的離職率這麼高的一個離職率在一個單位裡面這個單位如果發生了什麼事你會不知道我的單位是同仁如果百分之五六十都離職代表我這個老闆有問題你什麼都不知道欸北分數原來編制是132人扣掉工有技工駕駛8個人有124個人兩年之內離職率有81個人 |
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6乘5的離職率這是我要凸顯你的預警機制、你的息事寧人、你的草菅人命所以部長我不佔別人時間我覺得請你下台只是剛剛好而已不要讓勞動部變成勞工地域特權地區 |
| IVOD_ID |
157223 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157223 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T14:55:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T15:02:12+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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