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| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
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13:32:38 - 13:46:59 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下何部長和蔡署長部長好 署長好署長我先問一個問題聽說你們勞動力發展署大樓裡面有長官的專屬電梯 |
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我現在這樣子直接講 |
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為什麼我先提電梯呢?這就是會養成一個官僚的心態啊。立法院、衛環委員會在8樓、財政委員會在9樓,我們也沒有委員專題啊。你們用了一個長官專題,我為什麼特別提出來?因為這種習性不改,你就沒有辦法痛定思痛啊。 |
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很多職場上的行為是源自一個看似無關的情況產生的 |
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我還是這一次才知道說書店分書店這麼大有專用的路好不好我直接問你啦高委那個是大樓管委會設定的大樓管理管委會不是我們管委會設定你們不能主動要求不要啊 |
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對這個這個我們我就說我就說我真的不想不想在這裡太為難你可是你們回復真的要很小心我就不相信我就不相信你們沒有要求人家特別特別弄了一個長官的的座梯然後你們你們沒有能力去去更改這個現象我才不相信就是說 |
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這個王顧的公務員啊在事發前10月22到11月1號大概每天都是早上7點多上班到下午7、8點才下班啊血汗啊你們勞動部主管全國勞工的工作權益你們自己這麼搞啊 |
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然後分署長有的時候會半夜一點五點給人家傳訊息不回隔天就修理人這個是不是事實兩件事情第一件第一件可以很明確就是就是從10月22到11月10號早上每天都是早上五點多上班到七八點這個是不是事實這是事實 |
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分署長有沒有都是把有時候會半夜1點多交付交辦事項然後或者是5點多沒有回會修理人這個是不是事實報告委員這個調查報告裡面有呈現這個部分有對不對好那欸 |
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為什麼這樣子長期超時工作的單位北分署跟勞發署是同一個辦公大樓是不是是所以嘛你們做專題嘛所以你們聽不到基層的聲音嘛你事前全部都不知道不知道北分署這麼血汗不知道你知道嗎 |
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293.925 |
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發委員因為沒有來北分署沒有跟我們做好北分署沒有跟你做那個那我給你一個資料從謝宜榮分署長到任到去年年底北分署離職率高了一倍啊從5點多%攀升到11%多 |
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297.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
323.79 |
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最新的統計數字今年的離職率來到13.5這麼高的離職率你作為署長你全部沒有覺得假如不是工作內容太繁複工作環境太差就是領導同意有問題你全部不告不理 |
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340.122 |
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你任何一點感覺都沒有不覺得這種離職率太高離職的人裡面81人其中有17個是主管職務總會到你那裡吧你不覺得奇怪怪不怪報告委員這個是異常這個確實我們必須要檢討異常書定你現在承認異常 |
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357.54 |
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367.224 |
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那這個狀態是持續性的你為什麼要等到悲劇發生了全國的民意沸騰了你們才要檢討為什麼有收過投訴案嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
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有嗎?報告委員這段時間是真的沒有沒有沒有得到投訴所以沒有投訴你們就不會從相關的數據自己去去去看看這個你看喔南分數的離職率是5%阿是北分數的三成阿三分之一阿蘇定平平是你的分數 |
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439.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
有一個離職率這麼高你們也不主動去關心看看而且還跟你同一棟辦公室好我再問剛剛組長在回復土委員的時候說謝芬組長派任前並沒有霸凌的前科對不對對不對沒有接到投訴沒有好 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
441.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
465.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
你知道為什麼嗎?他在從是公職以來到他當分署長他的主管職務是什麼?主管歷練是什麼?他歷練過什麼組長?主管有幹過組長嗎?科長有幹過啦?科長有沒有?有有齁組長有嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
471.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
為什麼?為什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
495.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
500.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
跟委員報告因為是因為你們其他的副分署長都不堪用還是真的謝分署長有通天的本領 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
509.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
509.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
是他沒有機會啊! |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
542.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
569.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
蘇定,大家都說謝芬署長是你和徐明川前部長的愛將所以才破格任用,你有沒有什麼話要說?報告委員,蘇大德任用並不會單純去考慮這個因素因為我們完全是以能力跟他的私人性去處理好,主席不好意思我再耽誤一點點時間 |
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600.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這種這種任用這種升格任用有算不算違反常規你直接這樣子這樣子回答就好了我不要說破格破格你們可能覺得覺得不好聽有沒有違反常規你們現在的分署長裡面跟謝分署長同樣用用這種模式升到分署長的有誰 |
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| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
620.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
各位委員報告像以我們現在的分數其實就是要考慮到他要符合身兼的一個資格我知道啦我知道你沒有違法任用啦我現在說有沒有違反常規嘛因為他的主管歷練太少了嘛我認為就是因為他的主管任用太歷練太少所以才會爆發這件事嘛 |
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632.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
643.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
你沒有讓他有發揮領導統一能力的職務歷練你就把他提到分署長這個職務所以我光是聽錄音檔我就覺得那個不是一個政府的機關一個單位是一個幫派的堂口 |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
蘇帝努你之前跟他說有沒有違法當然沒有違法啊我現在就是問說違反常規為什麼你和許民尊部長當初當初任用他 |
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要做分署長讓你們會介意他沒有經過所長、沒有做過副署長、直接對專委空降去當分署長表示你們對他的領導同意是很有把握的嘛是不用透過其他的職務來考核你們就絕對信任嘛 |
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委員這個事我自己都要自我檢討我會自我反省署長一條人命啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
750.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
765.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
你們主管全國勞工工作權益保障的單位六七年來應該做的事情不做惹出了一大堆遺憾的事啊蘇甯這六七年保甯 |
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部長很遺憾是發生在你的任內那你來趙偉廷說我真的這裡講完就結束很遺憾就是你也已經來6個月了在這段時間 |
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你沒有發現到內部有這麼嚴重的霸凌事件我覺得你也要負一些責任不是說大家為難你們因為這個是這一件事情不好好處理 |
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這件事情不好好處理我覺得我覺得全國人民對於對於執政團隊會非常的失望而且而且特別是對勞動部我剛剛講的就是我的觀察這六七年來六七年啊 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝楊曜 |
| IVOD_ID |
157199 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157199 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T13:32:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:46:59+08:00 |
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