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| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:05:51 - 13:12:24 |
| 影片長度 |
393 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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來 主席麻煩請我們郭智慧部長請進入郭部長來 部長委員好延續昨天在院會齁持續在跟您做請教你有受訪或者說你在答詢的時候有講到是說即便是台電今年追加千億明年再補補千億明年還是會虧損是不是 |
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台電明年還是會虧損這你講的不是你講的不是嗎你答詢的時候你講的明年還是會虧損 |
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累虧沒辦法累虧沒有辦法完全來處理啦累虧目前大家都推給說是原物料上漲的部分但是這個已經是老命題了嘛我們講是說如果說我們的原物料我們的發電方式我們的結構不改變的話你再怎麼樣虧損都還再怎麼樣的補貼都還是虧損啊 |
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那羊毛出在羊身上一定還是所有的納稅人來買單,不是嗎?報告委員,我想從很多的數字上面來可以看得出來台電是一直在進步那造成台電虧損的大概兩個原因第一個原因就是我們的材料的成本非常的高而且這些材料成本是從國外買進來的就國際原物料上漲嘛但原物料起起疊疊可是我們一直看到的是持續的虧損 |
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我們沒有因為看到說國際原物料違規到原本的價格之後我們台電就不虧損因為這個就是您剛剛所指導的這部分也就是說我們對電價對從用電物裡面收到的這個價格 |
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事實上沒有辦法讓我們反映,有一部分是沒有辦法反映成本。譬如說我們凍漲啊,或者是對民生的這個部分,我們即使賣給,我們現在即使賣給民生的這個價格,還是虧錢。電價審議委員會到底有沒有政治利介入? |
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電價審議委員會是獨立自主的是你又講獨立自主可是你又講是說現在沒有辦法如實反映電價我覺得聽不懂你們的邏輯這個是邏輯非常正確的完全聽不懂你們的邏輯來部長我再確認一下你今天的中午有在受訪講是說你看相關的核能民調支持已經有六七成是不是是媒體問的你看哪一份民調 |
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媒體告訴我的啊你講是說他看郭志輝看相關核電民調支持已有六七成民主國家是多數的多數決所以核能共識這個命題不難你是看哪一份民調我就是說問那個媒體啊看哪個媒體問我呢但是你認為說核能共識在台灣有沒有多數決有沒有共識我認為台灣是一個民主的國家有沒有共識了現在 |
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那這個可能要再討論嗎? |
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現在我們在總統府部長我還本來想說的話今天聯合新聞網出來的快訊講說共識決 郭部長說已經有了而核能安全在台灣也不難我也同意啊 因為我們有核安會啊那剩下就是核廢料問題怎麼處理 |
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就是這三原則嗎?就是你現在你又改口又不敢承認你自己講了一個共識訣我們還想說說民進黨政府裡面還有一個腦袋相對比較清楚不到兩個小時你又改口了我沒有要套你的話這明明就是你自己的話啊你去看一下媒體報導好不好那你要不要更正? |
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258.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
要不要要求媒體更正我還是在這裡跟委員直接報告媒體問我說六七層部長來啦最後一個人的意見 |
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288.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
部長真的說實在話你在擔任部長之前當董事長啊我覺得你的尬子還比較有一點啦但是當了部長之後真的跌跌死、扁扁背好像台灣的現況跟我們生活經濟部生活是完全是平行時空稍微已經站起來我只是請教最後一點我是經濟部長我必須要發表行政院整體的運作是所以說你就是執行民進黨政府的意志嘛聽好本席的問題啊 |
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289.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
312.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
那現在河山廠的二號機正在稅休稅休會到什麼時候12月上旬12月上旬那12月上旬之後會不會再重新啟動發電依法還是要啟動依法還是要啟動那我們會到什麼時候來做廚藝明年的5月那從12月到明年5月這中間河山廠二號機會不會產生核廢料 |
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333.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
如果說運轉的話會不會?當然會阿是啊那現在民進黨政府不會一直在講是說我要的三個原則和安、共識以及核廢料處理那如果說你現在沒有辦法有這個處理的方式標準的話你怎麼有辦法來重啟?好 謝謝 |
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他是在運作的現在是不是就已經有現在是不是已經有卓榮泰院長是不是有講如果說我要研議核能或說我要用核能發電的話我要用新核能那你現在核三廠的二號機你稅收完之後你這是新核能還是舊核能核三廠二號機算是新核能還是舊核能 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
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核生廠2號機算是新核能還是舊核能? |
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舊核能所以在你們的主政之下即便是現在我有這三前提但是我要用電的時候我還是要用就是要把它給用好用滿這就你的答案 這不是法律規定啊這不是法律規定你也沒選擇如果說現在台灣能源夠的話你也可以不要用啊 |
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這重點是現在台灣能源不夠所以你們才會連一支一毫的電你們都要用阿不是嗎? |
| IVOD_ID |
157188 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157188 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T13:05:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:12:24+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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