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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
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12:50:07 - 13:00:45 |
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638 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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謝謝主席 請邀請部長請進一步 郭部長部長跟董事長一起台電董事長 |
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委員好部長、董事長好綠電弊案掏空台灣綠電發展倒退路現在大家疑雲重重本期也非常希望一個國家應該是往正能量的方向去走但是疑雲這麼多我們還是要去理清楚執行到現在 |
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部長,我們的現在所謂的淪為綠能的這個蟑螂啊,貪蟑王法,掏空台電的天堂。台南有神隱的,有力量的不利利益這麼多錢,最近又爆了彰化雲林。 |
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你這個賺台電再生能源的賺購電費不法的利益有這麼多所以董事長你當時是擔任政次我相信當時你在執行政策的過程你應該是有參與過那你有沒有覺得你當時的執行政策方向怎麼會導致目前的弊案這麼多這個亂象為什麼 |
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根委員報告就是我們不管是光電或是其他再生能源案有很多都是用地管理用地管理原因必然這麼多是用地管理其中有一個很大部分真的是用地的管理 |
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那這該怎麼辦? |
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那這該怎麼辦? |
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跟委員報告就是說這個因為我們行政審查分權 |
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就是分層負責的權利能不能夠統一一個標準其實站在我們經濟部的立場其實也表達過說我們是不是能夠把這些相關不管是容許許可等等的一些規範儘量標準化那經濟部一直在朝著這個方向所以還沒有辦法達成 |
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因為真的牽涉到非常多的總管也不同的 中央跟地方也不同你是執行者 也是決策者 也是現在的董事長你看到這麼多問題 部長 |
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像這樣子難怪蟑螂四處讓我們台電整個天堂把我們挖空那所以本席要請教也就是說原因其實你們知道但是你們做不來也就在當時的決策橫向聯繫根本沒有辦法去做一個讓人民可以信賴的規範出來 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教關於電的囤購補助這個制度來退場減輕了利益的風險降低台電因為保證收購而承擔過度的壓力支持吧本席的立場支持吧這個我們可以納入考慮納入考慮是支持還不支持你總是要支持 |
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支持才會納入考慮你的支持你不要笑我覺得這是很嚴肅的議題支持就是支持納入考慮就是納入考慮是支持支持我們繼續來討論本來我們很想綠能的發展但是是倒退路的 |
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部長你注意聽喔我們原本光電的賺夠的補助制度我們為了是什麼為什麼要補助因為我們為了要加強再生燃油的發展快一點鼓勵對不對這個搭朝正能量的方向但是光電跳票2026年要達到23萬不可能 |
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目前有可能目前多少是可能目前多少什麼是可能我們是2025年目前才完成13.6是2025年然後現在是我們延到2026年2026年是要20幾個月所以我們在討論因為你之前跳票了來你延後一年對不對2025延後到2026對不對25年還沒到啊對你延後一年嘛你政策宣示了嘛你跟我咬文絕字做什麼對不對那目前你完成多少 |
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目前13.6啊那政府怎麼辦失職失能你把錢都花掉讓那個綠蟑螂剛才董事長講了綠蟑螂到處橫行那還有一個重點部長還有一個重點光電併網量不增反減為什麼為什麼照理講你那麼很有信心啊你應該要增加今年單一的年度併網量可不可以達成兩個幾個萬 |
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現在外界告訴你今年的8月底是多少?1.26GW |
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去年是多少?2.7幾個萬那換句話說你越弄越糟糕電電網越來越少怎麼辦怎麼辦你花了大批的錢剛剛所說的不管能源局不管是董事長所說的都是他們碰到這麼多的瓶頸答案是結果論是答不到的所以部長你要面對這個問題你要面對這個問題啊你明明答不到啊你明明答不到你要怎麼樣做 |
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你反而花大把的錢導致你的這個光電併網量是越少跟以前是比較起來是越少這個邏輯講不通嗎這個邏輯是講不通的啊所以我告訴你你的量就已經少了啊 |
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人民不是提款機 |
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財務的缺口你有答應說什麼時候要拿出台電的這個財務改善計畫輸出來因為我們現在要審預算了什麼時候沒有沒有請問部長因為部長在大院以及在這邊都有答覆 |
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我講今年底嘛今年年底嘛對啊所以你要誠懇的回答就今年底因為現在要審預算了來本席請問近三年如果再加上這一次的追加明年度的公務預算1000億三年5000億我請問你早上回答說如果如果115年還有個1000億這是真的假的啊 |
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聽到這個會讓我們嚇一跳耶是真的假的請我願意給你說明清楚委員我可以講嗎我請你講啊我報告委員我們是真的假的這個一千億兩千億或者是將來的一千億都是在彌補過去的因為補助民生電價而造成的這樣子的邏輯本席聽不下去本席請問針對本席的議題回答 |
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也就是你的心中有沒有115年希望來要1000億來撥補有沒有你早上說了從你的口中說出來有沒有 |
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你的心中有沒有預估115年你會不會再有1000億的來撥補會不會我現在沒有辦法判斷115年是不是要撥補你早上回答在這個都有會議記錄都有影音嘛你說如果還有1000億啊大家聽了下一條請你說明會不會你告訴我就好了會不會現在沒有辦法判斷現在沒有辦法判斷所以有可能 |
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是不是?好,你不講,你雙手一攤。第二個,請問,如果這個預算,這個追加跟明年度的預算真的給再兩千億,三年五千億,請問明年會不會漲價? |
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長假是電價審議委員的工作啦對 所以還是沒有辦法回答所以最後就成如你信中所說的你現在沒有辦法預估你願不願意說115年不會再有1100億的這個波幅在你當任部長 會不會未來的事情我沒有辦法在這個地方回答那我們要問誰啊謝謝 歡迎時間到 梁委員 |
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我們要問誰啊人民不是提款機耶我們現在台電4千多億的虧損我們問你們你們要拿出方針啊對不對我們會努力啦我們會努力我們真的會努力我們大家一起努力那個楊委員不是部長我們以實際討論的問題因為你早上說了 |
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請你趕快把你的財務規劃拿出來 |
| IVOD_ID |
157178 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157178 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T12:50:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:00:45+08:00 |
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