| IVOD_ID |
157178 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157178 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T12:50:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:00:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/be8492a9d81d8eabcfe10e99bda71ea1e934a6858ea79529d632f63170caf1df5483ce43c3d65a485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:50:07 - 13:00:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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謝謝主席 請邀請部長請進一步 郭部長部長跟董事長一起台電董事長 |
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委員好部長、董事長好綠電弊案掏空台灣綠電發展倒退路現在大家疑雲重重本期也非常希望一個國家應該是往正能量的方向去走但是疑雲這麼多我們還是要去理清楚執行到現在 |
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部長,我們的現在所謂的淪為綠能的這個蟑螂啊,貪蟑王法,掏空台電的天堂。台南有神隱的,有力量的不利利益這麼多錢,最近又爆了彰化雲林。 |
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你這個賺台電再生能源的賺購電費不法的利益有這麼多所以董事長你當時是擔任政次我相信當時你在執行政策的過程你應該是有參與過那你有沒有覺得你當時的執行政策方向怎麼會導致目前的弊案這麼多這個亂象為什麼 |
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根委員報告就是我們不管是光電或是其他再生能源案有很多都是用地管理用地管理原因必然這麼多是用地管理其中有一個很大部分真的是用地的管理 |
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那這該怎麼辦? |
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那這該怎麼辦? |
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跟委員報告就是說這個因為我們行政審查分權 |
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就是分層負責的權利能不能夠統一一個標準其實站在我們經濟部的立場其實也表達過說我們是不是能夠把這些相關不管是容許許可等等的一些規範儘量標準化那經濟部一直在朝著這個方向所以還沒有辦法達成 |
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因為真的牽涉到非常多的總管也不同的 中央跟地方也不同你是執行者 也是決策者 也是現在的董事長你看到這麼多問題 部長 |
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像這樣子難怪蟑螂四處讓我們台電整個天堂把我們挖空那所以本席要請教也就是說原因其實你們知道但是你們做不來也就在當時的決策橫向聯繫根本沒有辦法去做一個讓人民可以信賴的規範出來 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教關於電的囤購補助這個制度來退場減輕了利益的風險降低台電因為保證收購而承擔過度的壓力支持吧本席的立場支持吧這個我們可以納入考慮納入考慮是支持還不支持你總是要支持 |
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支持才會納入考慮你的支持你不要笑我覺得這是很嚴肅的議題支持就是支持納入考慮就是納入考慮是支持支持我們繼續來討論本來我們很想綠能的發展但是是倒退路的 |
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部長你注意聽喔我們原本光電的賺夠的補助制度我們為了是什麼為什麼要補助因為我們為了要加強再生燃油的發展快一點鼓勵對不對這個搭朝正能量的方向但是光電跳票2026年要達到23萬不可能 |
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目前有可能目前多少是可能目前多少什麼是可能我們是2025年目前才完成13.6是2025年然後現在是我們延到2026年2026年是要20幾個月所以我們在討論因為你之前跳票了來你延後一年對不對2025延後到2026對不對25年還沒到啊對你延後一年嘛你政策宣示了嘛你跟我咬文絕字做什麼對不對那目前你完成多少 |
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目前13.6啊那政府怎麼辦失職失能你把錢都花掉讓那個綠蟑螂剛才董事長講了綠蟑螂到處橫行那還有一個重點部長還有一個重點光電併網量不增反減為什麼為什麼照理講你那麼很有信心啊你應該要增加今年單一的年度併網量可不可以達成兩個幾個萬 |
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現在外界告訴你今年的8月底是多少?1.26GW |
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去年是多少?2.7幾個萬那換句話說你越弄越糟糕電電網越來越少怎麼辦怎麼辦你花了大批的錢剛剛所說的不管能源局不管是董事長所說的都是他們碰到這麼多的瓶頸答案是結果論是答不到的所以部長你要面對這個問題你要面對這個問題啊你明明答不到啊你明明答不到你要怎麼樣做 |
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你反而花大把的錢導致你的這個光電併網量是越少跟以前是比較起來是越少這個邏輯講不通嗎這個邏輯是講不通的啊所以我告訴你你的量就已經少了啊 |
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人民不是提款機 |
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財務的缺口你有答應說什麼時候要拿出台電的這個財務改善計畫輸出來因為我們現在要審預算了什麼時候沒有沒有請問部長因為部長在大院以及在這邊都有答覆 |
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我講今年底嘛今年年底嘛對啊所以你要誠懇的回答就今年底因為現在要審預算了來本席請問近三年如果再加上這一次的追加明年度的公務預算1000億三年5000億我請問你早上回答說如果如果115年還有個1000億這是真的假的啊 |
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聽到這個會讓我們嚇一跳耶是真的假的請我願意給你說明清楚委員我可以講嗎我請你講啊我報告委員我們是真的假的這個一千億兩千億或者是將來的一千億都是在彌補過去的因為補助民生電價而造成的這樣子的邏輯本席聽不下去本席請問針對本席的議題回答 |
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也就是你的心中有沒有115年希望來要1000億來撥補有沒有你早上說了從你的口中說出來有沒有 |
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你的心中有沒有預估115年你會不會再有1000億的來撥補會不會我現在沒有辦法判斷115年是不是要撥補你早上回答在這個都有會議記錄都有影音嘛你說如果還有1000億啊大家聽了下一條請你說明會不會你告訴我就好了會不會現在沒有辦法判斷現在沒有辦法判斷所以有可能 |
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是不是?好,你不講,你雙手一攤。第二個,請問,如果這個預算,這個追加跟明年度的預算真的給再兩千億,三年五千億,請問明年會不會漲價? |
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長假是電價審議委員的工作啦對 所以還是沒有辦法回答所以最後就成如你信中所說的你現在沒有辦法預估你願不願意說115年不會再有1100億的這個波幅在你當任部長 會不會未來的事情我沒有辦法在這個地方回答那我們要問誰啊謝謝 歡迎時間到 梁委員 |
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我們要問誰啊人民不是提款機耶我們現在台電4千多億的虧損我們問你們你們要拿出方針啊對不對我們會努力啦我們會努力我們真的會努力我們大家一起努力那個楊委員不是部長我們以實際討論的問題因為你早上說了 |
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請你趕快把你的財務規劃拿出來 |
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主席：請經濟部郭部長。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：部長、董事長好。綠電弊案掏空臺灣，綠電發展倒退嚕啦！現在這個疑雲重重，本席也非常希望一個國家應該是往正能量的方向去走，但是疑雲重重，我們還是要去釐清楚。執行到現在，部長，現在我們淪為所謂綠能蟑螂貪贓枉法、掏空台電的天堂，臺南有神隱的、有立暘的不法利益，這麼多錢！最近又爆了彰化、雲林的弊案，賺台電再生能源的躉購電費，不法的利益有這麼多！董事長，你當時是擔任政次，我相信當時在執行政策的過程，你應該是有參與過，那你有沒有覺得你當時的執行政策方向怎麼會導致目前的弊案這麼多？這個亂象的原因是什麼？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：用地管理？ |
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曾董事長文生：土地要取得使用…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這個弊案這麼多是因用地管理？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這該怎麼辦？真的出了很大的問題，也就是當初你們在做決策的時候，本席請問，當時在做決策的時候，您剛才所說的這一些問題，你們是沒有考慮到的？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以這個就亂成一章？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你是執行者，也是決策者，也是現在的董事長，你看到這麼多問題。部長，像這樣子，難怪蟑螂四處，讓我們的天堂、台電被挖空。所以本席要請教，也就是說原因其實你們是知道，但是你們做不來，也就是在當時的決策的橫向聯繫，根本沒有辦法去做一個讓人民可以信賴的規範出來。所以，在這樣的情況之下，本席要請教，讓光電的躉購補助制度來退場，減少利益風險，降低台電因為保證收購而承擔過度的壓力，支持吧？這是本席的立場，支持吧？ |
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郭部長智輝：支持才會納入考慮。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你的支持……你不要笑，我覺得這個是很嚴肅的議題，支持就是支持，納入考慮就是納入考慮。是支持？好，那支持的話，我們繼續來討論。本來我們很想很想推綠能的發展，但現在是倒退嚕的。部長，你注意聽哦，我們原本光電躉購的補助制度為的是什麼，為什麼要補助？因為我們為了要加強再生能源的發展，讓它快一點，鼓勵性質，對不對？這是大家朝正能量的方向。但是光電跳票，2026年要達到20GW，不可能！ |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
郭部長智輝：有可能。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：目前多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
郭部長智輝：是可能的。 |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：目前多少？什麼是可能？ |
| gazette.blocks[28][0] |
郭部長智輝：我們是2025年…… |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：目前才完成13.6…… |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
郭部長智輝：本來是2025年，然後現在是延到2026年。 |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：2026年是要20GW，所以我們在討論，因為你之前跳票了，所以你延後1年，對不對？2025年延後到2026年，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
郭部長智輝：2025年還沒到啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：對，你延後1年嘛！你政策宣示了嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
郭部長智輝：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你跟我咬文嚼字做什麼？ |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
郭部長智輝：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：對不對？目前你完成多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
郭部長智輝：13.6。 |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：目前13.6啊！那政府怎麼辦？失職、失能，你把錢都花掉，讓那個綠電蟑螂……剛才董事長講了，綠電蟑螂到處橫行。部長，還有一個重點，光電併網量不增反減，為什麼？為什麼？照理講，你認為很有信心啊，你應該要增加，今年單一的年度併網量可不可以達成2個GW？ |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
郭部長智輝：這個我是不是請他們…… |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：可不可以完成？來，請說明。 |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
游署長振偉：報告委員，目前在施工的量有達到2GW，不過因為有一些地方政府的行政程序比較緩慢…… |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：好，跟曾董事長講的一樣，部長，你聽，所以你是達不到的。現在外界告訴你今年的8月底是多少？1.26GW。去年是多少？2.7GW，換句話說，你越弄越糟糕，併電網越來越少，怎麼辦？怎麼辦？你花了大筆的錢，剛剛所說的，不管能源局、不管是董事長所說的，都是他們碰到這麼多的瓶頸，結果論，答案是達不到的。所以部長你要面對這個問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
郭部長智輝：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你要面對這個問題，你明明達不到啊！你明明達不到，你要怎麼做？你反而花大把的錢，導致你的光電併網量是越少，跟以前比較起來是越少，這個邏輯講不通啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
郭部長智輝：併網以後才會花錢啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：這個邏輯是講不通的！ |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
郭部長智輝：併網以後才會把這個錢花出去啊，所以不可能…… |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：所以我告訴你，你的量就已經少了啊，對不對？你的量就已經少了啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
郭部長智輝：他要做好併網之後才有…… |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：他就做不好嘛，就像剛剛講的，有那麼多問題嘛！現在發包總量可以，回收有嗎？回收有嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
郭部長智輝：我們發包沒有給他錢啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你現在碰到…… |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
郭部長智輝：不是發包就給他錢。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：不是，我們現在說量、我們現在說量，你現在碰到的這些問題，你要怎麼解決？這是第一個。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][1] |
接下來，本席要請教，人民不是提款機，財務的缺口，你有答應說什麼時候要拿出台電的財務改善計畫書？因為我們現在要審預算了，什麼時候？沒有、沒有，我是請問部長，因為部長在大院以及在這邊都有答復，是什麼時候？ |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
郭部長智輝：我講年底。 |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：今年年底嘛！對啊，所以你要誠懇地回答，就今年底，因為現在要審預算了。來，本席請問，近三年，如果再加上這一次的追加，明年度的公務預算1,000億，3年5,000億，我請問，你早上回答說，如果115年還有個1,000億，這是真的假的啊？聽到這個會讓我們嚇一跳耶，是真的假的？我願意讓你說明清楚。 |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
郭部長智輝：委員，我可以講嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：我請你講啊！是真的假的？ |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
郭部長智輝：好，我報告委員，我們這個1,000億、2,000億，或者是將來的1,000億，都是在彌補過去因為補助民生電價而造成…… |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：這樣子的邏輯，本席聽不下去！本席請問，針對本席的議題回答，也就是你的心中有沒有115年希望還要1,000億來撥補？有沒有？你早上說了啊，從你的口中說出來！有沒有？你的心中有沒有預估115年你會不會再有1,000億來撥補？會不會？ |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
郭部長智輝：我現在沒有辦法判斷115年是不是要撥補…… |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你早上回答……這個都有會議紀錄，都有影音嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
郭部長智輝：委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你說如果……如果還有1,000億元，大家聽了嚇一跳。 |
| gazette.blocks[66][0] |
郭部長智輝：千萬不要斷章取義。 |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：來，請你說明會不會，你告訴我就好了。 |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
郭部長智輝：會不會，現在沒有辦法判斷。 |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：現在沒有辦法判斷，所以有可能是不是？好，你不講，你雙手一攤。 |
| gazette.blocks[69][1] |
第二個，本席請問，如果這個預算…… |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
主席：楊委員，發言時間到了。 |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：這個追加的預算跟明年度的預算真的給，再2,000億，3年5,000億，請問明年會不會漲價？ |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
郭部長智輝：漲價是電價審議委員的工作。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以還是沒有辦法回答？最後，就誠如你心中所說的，你現在還沒有辦法預估。你願不願意說在你部長任內，115年不會再有1,000億的撥補？ |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
郭部長智輝：未來的事情，我沒有辦法在這個地方回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：那我們要問誰？ |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
主席：謝謝，楊委員，時間到了。謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：我們要問誰啊？人民不是提款機耶！ |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
主席：謝謝楊委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：我們現在台電四千多億的虧損，我們問你們，你們要拿出方針啊！對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
主席：好…… |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
郭部長智輝：我們會努力啦！我們會努力，我們真的會努力！ |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
主席：謝謝，我們大家一起努力。楊委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：不是，部長…… |
| gazette.blocks[84][0] |
主席：楊委員，發言時間已經超過很多了。 |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：我們以實際討論的問題，因為你早上說了…… |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
主席：楊委員，發言時間已經超過很多了。 |
| gazette.blocks[87][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：如果有這個1,000億，如果有1,000億，那大家聽了很恐怖…… |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
主席：好，謝謝…… |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你一直用人民當提款機來撥補台電預算，你不改革台電的財務，只有一直撥補，這樣台電永遠都是虧損累累，對台電也不公平啊，對人民更不公平啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
主席：好，謝謝…… |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
郭部長智輝：委員你這樣的說法我們會回去…… |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
主席：已經超出時間很多了…… |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：請你趕快把你的財務規劃拿出來。 |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
主席：好，我們尊重下一位委員的發言，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：為什麼都不回答？主席應該要告訴他要回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
主席：我沒有辦法告訴他要回答，他不回答…… |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：可以，你要告訴他要回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
主席：下次等你當主席的時候再說。 |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：哪有都不回答的！ |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
主席：我要確保下一位委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：不可以這樣，主席，你是主席，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
主席：我公正不阿。 |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：對啊，公正不阿，要請他回答啊，他什麼都不回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
主席：不是，他有回答啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：他沒有啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
主席：他有回答，你沒有聽進去而已，他回答的不是你要的條件。 |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：…… |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
主席：怎麼現在你在質詢我呢？ |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：對啊，所以你不要講話啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[110][0] |
主席：怎麼是質詢我……好，大家冷靜一下，電的問題事關國家能源轉型大家都很重視，我想不管是行政、立法部門我們大家一起努力。 |
| gazette.blocks[111][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你不給方向是不行的。 |
| gazette.blocks[112][0] |
主席：待會兒會後還可以跟部長請教。 |
| gazette.blocks[112][1] |
來，下一位請陳培瑜委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
66 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-20 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310301_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查 114 年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公
司、台灣自來水股份有限公司（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310301_00001 |