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| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
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12:07:40 - 12:17:56 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、國家發展委員會、經濟部報告「美國總統大選後，對於推動台美貿易及科技建立合作架構之影響」，並備質詢。） |
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當然我們都不希望對岸在國際上面打壓我們的外交空間但是我覺得我們外交部、我們政府也不能夠事事都在掩飾因為只有面對真相、面對事實才能夠對症下藥找到我們的外交空間維持兩岸和平那我想請教一下外交部對於新加坡公開講說確實他們有主張反對台灣台獨這個事情外交部現在看法是怎樣? |
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我們對這個案子我們做一個詳細的比較中國所發出來的訊息是說新加坡是支持一個中國的原則那麼我們為了這個我們跟新加坡去了解新加坡說他們是支持一個中國的政策這兩個有明顯的不同所以沒有講到黃巡財反對台獨這件事情 |
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呃...他是反對台獨對嘛,所以意思是什麼?你們非常急著...不是,市長等一下等一下你們非常急著要去幫人家澄清嘛,所以...所以讓人家公開的再一次的呼籲反對台獨這件事情我不太知道說外交部為什麼要這麼急著做這件事情啦你們的動機是什麼? |
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我們不要澄清這個事情你們就是澄清嘛所以才會今天媒體都是說外交部被打臉嘛我們是找出來中國用各種的方法把不當的言詞塞在別人的嘴巴裡實際上我今天看媒體的報導是講說新加坡再次表示說反對台獨外交部也理解 |
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所以這事情已經被操作成一個負面的事情了那外交部你們在做這種事情有這麼粗糙喔我以為外交部的人員都經歷了很豐厚的外交訓練啊怎麼會這麼粗糙讓這樣的話題本來一天就過去了然後可以最後好像搞得裡外不是人喔 |
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然後再來習近平到底在拜習會的時候有沒有提到賴清德這三個字我們的政府呢高層都說沒有嘛我們的國安局當時國安局局長講說他就比對了白宮的新聞稿說完全沒有講到賴清德我問一下次長請問一下白宮的新聞稿是逐字稿嗎是拜習會的逐字稿嗎 |
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我們對這個國安單位所提出來的解釋請問一下我再問你嘛白宮的新聞稿是不是拜習會談話的逐字稿是不是是新聞稿還是逐字稿你們外交部都不會去看人家的新聞稿 |
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兩邊在會後發的新聞聲明我們都有看我的問題很簡單請問一下白宮的新聞稿是不是拜習會的逐字稿並不是逐字稿嘛那請教一下所以我們的國安局長怎麼可以根據不是逐字稿的新聞稿因為新聞稿只有載入他們講話的部分嘛 |
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就可以直接去講說習近平在拜習會就是沒有談到賴清德為什麼可以這樣推論呢這是因為過去這一段時間我們看到兩邊對話之後發出來的雙方發出來的新聞稿對嘛但是不是逐字稿嘛就像我們今天我們兩個對話逐字可能最後發個新聞稿可是我們不會把我們所有的對話發出去嘛所以我們怎麼可以講說新聞稿沒看到就一定沒有哇賽我們的外交體系國安體系邏輯是這樣喔 |
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新聞稿可以把它當組織稿所以所以到底市長所以習近平到底有沒有講到賴清德總統有沒有到底有沒有各方面的查證是沒有的沒有齁那因為所以你們講說因為那個是大陸官媒的報導嘛這又在搞認知作戰嘛齁那我給大家看一下齁這是紐約時報啦前天的報導啦裡面就有講啊你可以看一下啊它裡面就有提到啊 |
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他說習近平特別講說美國如果要維持地區和平的話就必須要公開反對台獨他也罕見的提到台灣總統賴清德這紐約時報的報導所以這紐約時報被認知作戰了市長這是他跟習近平的談話嗎這紐約時報的報導在講拜習會的啊罕見的提到賴清德不然習近平是跟誰談話 |
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我覺得如果我們的外交單位我們不是說習近平他提到賴清德是我們支持他這樣的 不是而是說如果我們今天事實都要掩蓋的話我們怎麼對症下藥啊而且我真的不太懂你們那麼在意這個事情幹什麼習近平提到賴清德總統然後說賴清德的態度那你就反駁他就好啦 |
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反駁習近平啊不是我們現在賴清德總統已經主張中華民國113年了他已經是中華民國派了習近平不要亂講話反駁他就好了嘛你去講說他沒說幹嘛你又不是他所以你們然後就把他搞成是認知作戰我真不懂欸這樣的一個操作的用意意義在哪裡你看美國的報導就有嘛你一直去否認這個事情 |
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我們是要突顯我們是要突顯你務實一點好不好務實一點啦每天在那邊講認知作戰認知作戰台灣人民都聽到都沒有都覺得到底在幹什麼啊再請教一下 |
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昨天我們的行政院長那個卓榮泰講說不能講以美論因為所謂的理念相近的國家要互相信賴沒有人要說以美論但是我們不能夠評估一下川普上任之後對台灣可能造成衝擊嗎這算不算以美論這是不是以美論市長你覺得是以美論嗎 |
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這個是很 評估嘛 評估嘛 對嘛 所以為什麼把所有的評估都要把它打成是以美論呢 我也不懂啊 現在川普 我問一下次長 欸今天經濟部也有人來嘛 請教一下川普上任之後有沒有可能提高台灣的 台灣的關稅 有沒有可能 有沒有可能有沒有可能 外交部次長你可以回答啊 因為你們 你們對美 你們也有對美關係啊 你覺得有沒有可能 |
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按照特朗普競選的承諾這個是有可能有可能嘛那經濟部次長程度多少程度多少那你們覺得程度多少 |
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有沒有可能很高有沒有可能我跟委員報告一下如果關稅太高的他其實傷害了他本國的通貨膨脹也會發生所以這一點所以你覺得你的評估是不會很高我不是這樣講他如果調得太高他也會傷到自己是但是但是他還是會調高對我們也會有影響那這算不算以美論算不算市長覺得算以美論嗎 |
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我們只是很務實的討論國家未來可能遇到的困境嘛這算以美論嗎不是吧不是說只要討論美國對我們可能造成傷害都是以美論吧那請教一下我們台積電有沒有可能台積電A16技術製程會在美國有沒有可能你們有評估過嗎經營部 |
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你覺得這個東西沒有影響? |
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他要量產要比台灣晚3年而且他研發中心在台灣所以我們認為台灣的技術會維持領先的地位所以次長你的評估是說雖然A16技術製程有可能會在美國但是因為我們會比他早量產3年所以不會受到影響 |
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這是進一步的評估嗎會正面的影響還會有正面的影響所以美國所以台積電最好那種高先進的製程就多去一點還會有正面的影響不是這第一個台積電的商業決策而且台積電做過台積電本身也做過整密的評估我們以台灣的利益為最高指導原則台積電做過評估為什麼張忠謀在2022年會說在美國投資是貴且浪費 |
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張創辦人的這個解釋我沒有辦法替他回答但你講的你說台積電做過評估但他們創辦人公開講說在美投資貴且浪費有一個高盛高盛大家知道嗎亞太地區首期經濟學家他說除了北京之外台灣、韓國、越南都可能會籠罩在美國提高我們關稅的陰影當中這是高盛講的 |
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所以事實上就是會嘛事實上是全世界都會嘛所以要做好因應嘛不是說大家討論因應之道就是以美論嘛最後我問外交部次長一個問題請問一下現在慶賀團決定派誰代表了嗎還沒有請問一下四年前那時候是四年前八年前當時是什麼時間點會決定派誰你在外交部服務很長一段時間嘛可是這個你要確實沒關係我問一下四年前那時候是什麼決定的 |
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我必須看我四年前八年前我們是什麼時間我沒有辦法馬上回答您這個問題再確認一下我沒有辦法馬上回答那會不會是立法院長 |
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| IVOD_ID |
157174 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157174 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T12:07:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T12:17:56+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |