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| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:12 - 11:49:19 |
| 影片長度 |
667 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請核能安全委員會代理主任委員張欣列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預算案。
四、審查114年度行政法人國家原子能科技研究院預算案。
（第二案至第四案僅進行詢答，相關預算提案請於11月29日下午2時前提出）
【11月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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主席好麻煩請代理主委好請張代理主委 |
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代理主委好剛剛好像其他委員有跟你問到就是說核安會的網站點閱率都非常差啦當然我的瞭解是你們現在還要花一千兩百多萬這麼多錢要去架設一個網站那這個議題啊我們當時看到你們要做這個事情的時候就覺得很誇張到底什麼樣的礦勢巨作網站需要花一千兩百四十四萬這麼高額的錢去做網站到底有沒有隨便亂花錢 |
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那這個網站是所謂的輻射安全防護數位自主學習網1244萬那我跟你對照另外一個項目那個項目叫臺灣地區環境輻射偵測經費就是說我們會在全臺灣放射一些輻射的偵測的一些設備放這些設備全臺灣放設備去偵測輻射大概花1139萬 |
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但是我們架一個網站就花了一千兩百四十四萬比放偵測輻射的錢還多那我們現在就來跟你討教一下到底這個網站為什麼要花這麼多錢這個網站您知道嗎?您知道齁?請問一下這個網站為什麼要花這麼多錢做? |
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首先這個環境輻射偵測的經費這個經費其實是一個例行的維護保養沒有我是問你網站這個網站的部分事實上因為這個輻射從業人員日益增多其實剛才都有提到這個輻射防護事實上是非常重要的一環所以我們希望在有各種方式來強化這個輻射防護 |
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為什麼要花這麼多錢?因為有700多萬是做硬體的部分網站的硬體部分網站的硬體你們做一個網站的硬體要700多萬這700多萬硬體是什麼錢 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預 |
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這個一定要跟委員說明一下因為我們要建立這樣子數位化其實數位化還會涉及到個資的問題所以這其實在這委員是說建制一個資料化其實這個部分的話其實我們是有細部的一個評估那確實是需要發放 |
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沒關係繼續因為之前我們也有跟你們這邊問過到底這個所謂的網站到底要做什麼你們的講法是說因為你們要讓一些醫護人員來主要的用法是說要讓全國民眾包括醫護人員來使用這個網站所以你們這個網站是要對全民的特別是醫護人員但是這個醫護人員部分我就非常不解為什麼呢第一 |
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醫護人員如果他要操作這個可能會有輻射的這些設備的時候,他要考證照,原本他就具備相關的知識了,對吧?他如果都不具備輻射的知識,他可以去當比如說X光的放射師嗎?可以嗎? |
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為什麼你們還要做一個網站去讓這些醫護人員去了解輻射的知識?為什麼?我想任何一個從業 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預 |
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考證照 |
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我覺得沒有辦法說服人啦第二個你有考慮到這些醫護人員他有時間去上你們這個網站嗎你知道現在各大醫院急診室都塞床啊你知道原因是什麼嗎因為護理師都不夠啊護理師不夠所以很多病床都沒有開啊所以很多人都在急診室等病床然後現在核安會說我要架一個一千多萬的網站去讓這些醫事人員要來進修啊如果沒有進修的話可能知識會落伍啊他們有空上嗎 |
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主委代理主委我是覺得可以跟委員分享一個概念就是說並不是等到他們急需需要的時候我們才來做那就已經來不及了那所以你有強制他們來上嗎你有要求說他們要多少時數所以才能夠繼續做這個工作嗎有這樣要求嗎 |
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後續怎麼樣去提升它們需要的……所以你講的是你現在解釋說為什麼要架這個網站因為呢那些議事人員沒有來上你的網站知識就會落伍了不是等到落伍了才來修應該是平常就要進修你的想法是這樣你把這個網站進修講得非常重要可是我現在問你說那你有沒有強制他一定要來進修你又說後續再規劃 |
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所以你當初在規劃這1000多萬的網站的時候你都沒有考慮到他後續的配套嘛再來喔其實你們這個網站當時告訴我們說裡面有很多線上的模擬測驗提庫啊什麼的一些案例示範教材等等但實際上這一些所謂你要在這個網站上面要放的這些東西專業知識教材提庫在現有的核安會網站上都有啦都已經有放啦 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預 |
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再來我們也不是你們核安會也不是只有這個網站是這個狀況這些錢一千多萬我不知道核安會覺得是不是不是錢就要做這個東西然後你們也有一個APP叫做核安1.通APP核安會的APP8年總共花了156萬去做這個APP主委知道嗎 |
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知道嗎?那你知道這個APP的下載量所有的平台比如說蘋果的系統、Android的系統加起來它下載量是多少你知道嗎?一萬多一萬六千八百九十四次八年花一百五十六萬然後只有下載一萬六千八百九十四次實際上下載的量你覺得高嗎?我們繼續努力你覺得高嗎? |
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我覺得我們需要繼續努力你覺得高不高嘛我覺得我們應該提高主委你覺得高不高如果官員來這背詢這種態度的話沒有我是你覺得高不高嘛就是因為我們希望你覺得不高嘛你覺得低嘛我希望更高你覺得低嘛 |
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你已經花156萬做一個APP下載量你自己都覺得不滿意了你覺得要再高你現在又要再花1200多萬去下這一個網站這個網站裡面的內容很多在你原本的網站就有 |
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然後你說這個網站的溝通對象是醫護人員但那些醫護人員平常他們本來就有受這些核輻射的訓練他才能取得證照然後你現在又告訴我說他們如果沒有來上你這個網站的話他的知識可能不足所以你覺得他們就是要不斷的要終身學習所以要上這個網站但是你又講不出你之後怎麼配套比如說要求他一定要來補時數他的證照才能延續 |
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我的感覺啦我今天跟你對談的感覺你那個網站1200萬就丟到水裡啦 |
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與委員報告我們是第一年度我們是以醫護人員為主但是我們希望這個輻射的這個平台之後是跟輻射相關的這個業者或者關心的民眾都可以對但是我光是跟你討論醫護第一年醫護嘛你花了1200多萬嘛為了醫護嘛第一年嘛但是我光跟你討論醫護的這一塊我覺得很多事情都沒有回答好啊對 |
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什麼對你花錢的時候今天我們政府要砸錢做一個東西都不用去規劃所有的事情比如說網站出來之後給誰用那怎麼去配套欸他如果不用的話我們怎麼要求他用或者說我們這個網站有多重要重要到說他不用的話他會怎麼如何如何如何沒有一個完整的說法出來錢就先花下去然後今天來這邊回答問題也是問你APP問你高或低你說我覺得又是一副就是來耍嘴皮子的樣子一千兩百多萬欸 |
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不是錢嗎?時間到了快到了超過了基本上我覺得委員關切的部分你補一個完整的效益評估1244萬效益評估 |
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好,我們之後補給委員什麼時候補?效益評估?你到底細項為什麼要做一個網站要花到一千兩百多萬到底為什麼?我們一個月之內補給委員所以你們沒有報告喔?你們沒有效益評估要一個月要去掰喔?這個報告應該現成的啊為什麼要一個月?你們當初花錢做事情的時候都會有一個效益評估啊怎麼那個東西拿給我就好了為什麼要一個月?是說還要去掰是不是? |
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代理主委請回 |
| IVOD_ID |
157161 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157161 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-22-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T11:38:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T11:49:19+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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