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| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:43:45 - 11:48:53 |
| 影片長度 |
308 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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主席有請郭部長跟曾董事長請經濟部郭部長、台電曾董事長委員好部長、董事長台中火力發電廠一起燃氣計畫的兩部燃氣機組預計何時上線? |
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明年中火第一部燃氣機組上線,那是不是就可以同時去減煤了? |
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跟委員報告,就是說中火已經從它原來的1800萬噸的用煤量降到現在1200萬噸的用煤量,它其實是已經先降了。好,我再想請教,台電預估今年的燃煤用量是2450萬公噸,然後那明年是多少? |
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大概2200萬左右我想之前齁您是講是說你現在剛剛講是2026年嘛可是我剛剛看到我的資料是說你說等到2031年中火第二期的第一部燃氣機組上線齁才開始減煤300萬噸嘛 |
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是這個意思嗎?跟委員報告那個是我們在環評上面跟環評委員會提出來的屋頂的限制方案但是我調度上面只要調得過我們其實就會開始慢慢的只要用電量成長的幅度沒有特別高 |
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其實是個屋頂我們只要調度可行我們就會逐步的來減煤那明年最明年主要是麥寮要下去所以麥寮那邊大概會減掉500萬噸那我想請教我們回到中火的問題中火10部燃煤機組的裝置發電容量是5500那個百萬瓦嘛對不對550萬千瓦 |
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那2023年實際發電量是3600MW嘛對不對百萬瓦2023年實際發電量應該是270億度左右 |
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嗯好沒關係我看你的計算基準就是用的那個單位不一樣那我要重點是什麼重點是講就是說實際上以所謂的實際發電量來對比所謂的中火一期的兩部燃氣機組 |
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加上這個2026年可以完成的中加民營燃氣廠的裝置容量,核氣大概就是3200百萬瓦,是嗎?每個瓦?對,3200每個瓦。那其實就跟新增的燃氣發電量幾乎跟現在中火燃煤發電量差不多,沒錯吧? |
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呃,不到差不多啦,這少400左右啦少400左右那個,那個因為中火現在是5500MW我講的是實際發電量,不是講裝置容量那個實際不是3600實際是多少 |
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要用一致的單位我才有辦法跟你比較,因為手上我沒有幾億度的電。我不知道委員拿到那個3600MW是什麼基準,但是我們基本上都是用煤量直接相關的。你裝置發電一般也未必用到嘛,對不對? |
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是。所以你用這個公司算一下還是多少? |
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我們是5500MW。 |
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你歸後再把實際數字給我好不好因為我這個也是從台電資料抓下來的那你的數字跟我說跟我不一樣那你把實際數字給我那所以我的問題是為什麼既然以所謂的發電量來看我講不是裝置容量那為什麼不能在一期的兩部燃氣機組上線的時候就開始及早減煤一定要做到2034年才能夠做到中火無煤化我覺得 |
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我是認為你們的做法端可以再積極一點因為台中其實承擔這麼大的一個火力發電產生的所謂的一個排碳對台中人來講也不是很公平沒錯吧那個我跟委員報告就是說台中市的一年的用電度數是340億度那中火發電度數是270億度事實上中間有個 |
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290.408 |
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304.855 |
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我要講就是說今天對台中的人來說的話實際上台中火力發電廠真的是舉世聞名阿沒錯吧你對那個台中的那個燃氣也好燃煤也好實際上造成台中空氣上的負擔我覺得這一點請你們再積極一點以上謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157157 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157157 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T11:43:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T11:48:53+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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