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| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
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11:24:20 - 11:33:05 |
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525 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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OK,好,下一個我們請邱志偉委員質詢。好,謝謝主席,要請郭部長,台電曾總經理,曾董事長,然後台水李董事長。郭部長、曾董事長、李董事長。 |
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這個部長早辛苦了齁我們先看台點那個台水的漏水率雖然說逐年有下降我們編了兩期阿現在114年開始推動新一期的降低漏水率計畫我們編的編的大概是72億計畫是114年到121年齁那114年要降到11.55%好如果這72億執行7年你到121年的時候你漏水率會降到多少 |
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報告委員那個114年是72億我們到121年我們整體的計劃總金額是808億808億那是單一年度的預算那你111年要變到800億嘛對不對到121年800億嘛對800億你會降到多少9.9%、9.77% |
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才11.55經過7年在9.77合共800億那你上一屆上一期102到1113這花多少錢花了加1030億1030億你們的效能可能要提高啦你看你將一年的落水率110年來看相當於全國人口的62天的民生用水量所以你這個 |
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落水率的降低,你應該要設定更好的標準,更嚴格的標準。你剛剛5億,如果我給你800億,你這樣5以下我們可以接受,好不好?是,我們來努力。跟委員報告,現在我們下一階段的那個落水率,現在已經降到大概12.5嘛,12%以下。那越降越低的話,每1%的話要投入的金額是要越高的。 |
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但是你總體漏水率我希望說你的效能能夠更好一點畢竟這個800億的預算不算少另外你們這個新預的部分因為你們自有水量自有水源來自於這個水庫比較多對不對 |
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有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份 |
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對,跟委員報告我們自有水源比例會下降的原因因為是營商地區有地層下限一個防治的方案那減沖地下水,這些地下水原本都是我們自有水源你要跟台水,台水要跟另外一家公司買嘛北水處我們因為水情如果不佳的話我們要跟北水處調價那水價長期一國兩制,我想這個部分 |
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這個我們有跟北水處也協調多次了啦,那水利署這邊也有協助來跟北水...未來朝向水價是不是能夠統一?這部份是部長,這個是專注一個方向來努力 |
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水價的部分我想未來能不能夠調整是這個審議委員會的事我不是說水價調整啦就是說你北水處跟台水它的水價能不能統一啦主管機構不一樣齊監護嘛 但是你們可以去協調啊 |
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那個央行總裁楊金榮說這個川普上任之後可能他會建議政府加強對美國的投資跟採購投資項目當然川普就希望就是半導體嘛這是先進製程的部分那當然我們採購的部分除了農產品那還有其他的部分我想問的是這個天然氣的來源 |
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我講策略上應該會這樣子因為美國這個目的主要就是要打壓這個俄羅斯 |
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俄羅斯分散到其他的國家但是就沒有分到美國所以我們對美國天然氣的採購我希望說是不是在未來能夠我們來增加對美國的這個採購另外你這個台電的預算的補助獎補助或者投資大家都問說過去三年度大概投了五千億我是怕未來會不會成為常態化 |
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你要因為能源成本高升不降然後又有政策的目的這個部分你這種結構你成本沒有辦法降然後又有政策的目的要去達成長年性的補貼會變成一個常態化我很擔心這樣子 |
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這會不會發生呢?我們來我們基於我們在衡量這個整個台電的這個財務結構我們發現這個材料的成本影響也很大第二個這個動漲然後影響這個公司營運這個也很大我們會就這個公司為什麼會造成虧損做深入的資料解那麼針對這個部分我們來改善我認為啦這個 |
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現在如果這個2000億可以撥補進來的話那對我們來改善財務我們是支持這兩年的補助光是利息就300多億我擔心說未來每年都變常態性的這個都要憋1000億我是擔心這種狀況如果結構沒有調整的話昨天我請教您中油亞林最低價你說這個鬆綁這個鬆綁是誰要去處理的亞林最低價這個可能是要 |
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以雅林最低價是當初是107年制定2007年制定的對這個要鬆綁要如何鬆綁呢現在我們希望能夠鬆綁要如何鬆綁你們希望鬆綁要如何鬆綁那個是因為油價公司本來是中油公司自己決定的事項所以中油公司他可以自己決定但是他因為以雅林最低價的這個約束是來自哪裡 |
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就是在油價公司上面那這個部分是誰可以去調整?經濟部能不能調整?經濟部能不能調整?還是要涉及修法?這沒有涉及修法當然你經濟部可以去調整阿是你現在亞銀最低價因為韓國、日本都受到政府補貼我們他們有政府補貼我們還是維持最低價那當然對中油不公平阿所以如果這個部分要調整的話經濟部會跟中油公司我們一塊討論 |
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那因為這個還有涉及到穩定就是物價各方面的考量所以我們會這個我們會跟中國公司我們油價在亞林是一直最低價那他們也有其他政府的補貼我們沒有政府補貼特別是中油所以這不會盡快去思考如何把這個亞林最低價鬆綁讓這個油價能夠回歸到市場比較市場機制又能夠兼顧這個不要造成這個通貨膨脹或者民生物價上漲 |
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我們會內部討論完以後跟院裡面報告,然後講話,其他部門選擇共識。 那麼三個月之內提出一個檢討。另外韓電,我們有台電,那韓國也有韓電嘛。韓電啊,它的這個核能發電占了三成左右。韓國有人說啊,有人有一些小朋友說,我用核電,用核電發電的話,我的這個電價會下降,是迷思耶。 |
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韓電燒錢比我們燒得更嚴重,它虧損比我們還多,它的核能佔了三成,我們目前只有6.3%,對不對?所以核能不是造成能源、能夠、電能夠下降的一個因素嘛。所以大家都很擔心,這個迷思說,哇,這個核電,我發展核電,會讓能源的成本降低。 |
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韓國的經驗要讓大家知道,韓國百分之三十都是恆隆法電,可是它虧損還比台灣更嚴重。 |
| IVOD_ID |
157150 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157150 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T11:24:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T11:33:05+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |