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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:55:33 - 11:09:50 |
| 影片長度 |
857 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於監察院主管（不含審計部及所屬）收支部分。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案於11月25日中午12時截止收件】） |
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主席、在黨委員先進、列席的政府機關所長、官員、會長、共同夥伴、媒體記者女士先生有請我們李秘書長麻煩秘書長中委員好秘書長好請教一下你有看棒球嗎?有,我有看你有聽演唱會嗎? |
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你認為政治人物辦演唱會的收入算不算政治現金? |
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算任何政治募款都是政治現金他說他是因有人辦了演唱會他去其中現唱那這個活動的收入政治現金把規定的很清楚不管你的形式為何演講會募款常會這個義賣或者是演唱會只要你有募款是為了選舉用的都屬於政治現金的範疇所以 |
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這跟內政部的含釋你剛剛的說法有沒有出入啊個人或團體從事活動的性質如認署競選活動或政治相關活動且相關資金細數無償或提供不相當對價之給付者受本法之規範所以你剛剛講的這個事情是要由內政部來認定還是監察院可以認定 |
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我們認定的是政治獻金法政治獻金法裡面規定的非常清楚就是不管任何活動你是為了政治這個政治募款的就屬於政治獻金的但他如果說沒有我沒有說募款呢有啊他對外宣稱就是要募款好那當然了這個圖片可能你不曉得他賣了多少錢往下看我們比較一下棒球賽12強大概700元起跳 |
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那那個ブレイク・ピNK他大概是2300應該秘書長不會去 可能會去買棒球票啦那你知道之前克賢市長選總統的時候他的那個演唱會多少錢嗎?8800那你覺得剛剛依照內政部的解釋 |
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拜託我們財政處處長您說明一下 |
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報告委員一方面這個是屬於我們也認為是不相當的對價然後再來那個柯市長當時自己也有對外這樣子做說明所以你們有雙重的認定第一個先依他的主張他說這是一個政治競選活動有募款的性質第二個顯然的他的收費票價 |
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與一般的演唱會比起來不相當所以你們也參考了內政部的一個含釋所以認定他是一個政治獻金所以你們認不認為目前他這個獻金有短報這案件我們現在正在查的但是他已經承認了民眾黨召開記者會承認短漏報並且道歉那另外我們看到了北檢也生壓了辦理這個活動的公關公司有4000萬 |
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那秘書長我們當然不好意思請一下假設問題啦那麼這種情況之下你們的調查會等到北檢還是你們會持續的往下調查就政治獻金部分繼續調查政治獻金的部分我們持續在調查當中那我們也跟北檢密切的合作北檢很多資料是從我們這邊提供的所以未來你們因為政治獻金的認定的裁罰是屬於行政處分嗎那你們會先做嗎如果有需要處分的話如果需要處分我們就會處分 |
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那你們不會去等候北檢那邊司法偵辦的情況那跟監察權的行使不太一樣政治獻金我們是執行機關只要違反政治獻金法那我們就會做處分所以很明顯的政治獻金在監察院我們的監察法或者監察院執權刑事法假設未來 |
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那你們跟國會的調查權的行使遇到了司法在偵辦或遇到的監察院在調查就必須停止是有所不同的是這樣嗎不一樣不一樣不一樣簡單的說哪裡不同根據監察法實行細則27條遇到刑事的案件偵查中我們就會停止但是政治獻金法我們查我們的只要政治獻金法違反但是如果裡面我們認為說可能有懷疑說可能有其他的形式的話我們會送檢查單位好 |
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那如果說今天因為本院吶立法院為了要審監察院的預算那麼審預算的時候我們就可以基於職權制行使根據新的立職法我們就成立了院會成立了調查委員會如果要來調查這筆政治現金跟你們有沒有 |
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去你們的政治獻金的職權的預算的運用有沒有相關您覺得立法院有沒有可能成立一個調查委員會來調查為了省監察院的預算來查你們對這個政治獻金的處理有沒有恰當依據憲判第9號的判決裡面說的很清楚立法院要成立任何調查委員會必須先說明跟他行使職權相關 |
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對 那這個政治獻金法的規定政治獻金的執行單位是我們監察院所以是我們的職權不是立法院的職權那我不知道立法院要如何說明這跟立法院的行使職權有相關好 那我們再往下看那麼現在民眾黨認為說監察院的預算要全砍他說要刪掉你們的監察院預算除了基本人事費和財產申報之外全砍 |
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那如果這兩個預算留著取到全款以後剛剛的政治監禁還能查嗎? |
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所以目前民眾黨主張說除了財產申報費用他留下來之外就是要你們繼續調查本案囉 |
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我不知道民眾黨的用意是什麼那我們對任何政黨任何政治人物的評論我們也不做任何的評論那我們往下看那最近的又發生了齁這個國民黨中國國民黨的招總招復婚成委員的所要對一個郭志輝要進行調查郭部長他調查什麼調查他的財產申報 |
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您剛才已經講了最後這一頁下一頁 |
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那麼立法院可不可以成立調查委員會來調查財產你說這個財產申報這是屬於監察法施行當中屬於監察院的職責財產申報嘛沒錯嘛財產申報嘛那就這個部分您認為如果成立了這個調查委員會會不會影響到你們屬於財產申報部分的行使當然啦當然所以你認為這要根據憲判的意旨 |
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立法院要先停下來等你們調查完不是不是不是要等我們調查完而是憲判9號的意旨是說立法院如果沒有辦法證明這跟他行使職權有關的話他根本不能成立這樣的調查委員會好那好那我們這題差不多我們往下看請問監察院的預算包括人權委員會包括好7月15號你們監察法的修正草案當中有增進的人權專章是不是 |
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對我們送來的我們希望在人權專章裡面就把它有關職權的行使能夠那在人權專章還沒通過之前這個人權委員的運作也受監察院相關法令職權行使的規定是它現在是我們的一級單位一級單位那它的預算也編在你們當中是好那現在有一個問題出現了往下看那監察委員跟人權委員的職務分工怎麼分工我們是不是知道現在人權委員的委員是怎麼來產生的 |
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人權委員會現在有十位那八位是固定委員包含院長就是他是主任委員那另外有兩位他是這個每年輪派由其他的監察委員去擔任人權委員所以這十位通通都是監察委員對 |
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只是兩位是輪的另外八位韓政委員長是固定的是固定的好那現在人權委員的職權是包含調查侵害人權的事件擬定人權政策建議跟推動人權教育他基本上不像是監察院的事後權嗎他基本上概念上不太一樣所以但是呢在監察委員當人權委員去對公司部門進行的時候他如果發現公部門有涉及不法他可不可以發動他的監察權 |
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最近吵得沸沸揚揚的勞動部已有主管霸凌的事情目前監察院有委員要調查了嗎目前有韓巡我們有六位委員登記韓巡這六位委員是不是都是人權委員 |
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不完全是不完全是所以有包括人權委員對有包括人權委員那麼既然我們知道這個有事後權跟人權是不一樣的概念往下看那請問一下人權委員會當中監察委員的角色我們很清楚人權委員會雖然設置在監察院底下但是他的目的存在是調查現存的不管公司力部門他要完善現行的法規他做的是事前的預防對不對 |
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但是監委在當中他也同時會行使調查是屬於事後的懲處那如果說監察委員在人權委員會的一個調查當中他發現在公佈的部分設有失職那怎麼處理 |
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我們通常會轉到監察院來針對公部門部分或是公務人員的部分再調查那請問一下目前勞動部這個案子有沒有在我們之前人權委員會進行公勢力機關的人權調查當中目前還在含蓄的階段所以還沒有那是監察權的部分我是說人權委員會有沒有就勞動人權的部分廣義的勞動人權包含了公務機關的公務員對不對 |
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那你認為如果用這個角色來看用這個事件來看目前勞動部所呈現的問題是不是也是廣義的人權委員應該關心的普遍台灣的勞動人權的一部分是我跟中委員報告這是屬於兩公約裡面的相關的議題特別是針對霸凌的部分我們過去有很多的關心包括人權委員會跟監察院你剛剛說到有很多人權關心那請問過去人權委員會有對台灣的公司力部門的職場的霸凌有做過調查嗎 |
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委員會（ |
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他的執掌跟監察委員的執掌是分開的對他的運作也是分開的預算也是分開的目的不同職權不同對那預算有沒有不同預算是在一起的預算是在一起這就是現在人權委員會還沒有辦法變成真正的獨立機關他現在只是準獨立機關我知道我的意思說在科目上我們希望能夠在未來監察院的預算當中很清楚的看到 |
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如果要對於整個台灣包括公務門在內的勞動人權做廣泛性符合人權公約的普查他所需要的經費跟 |
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接到檢舉監察委員啟動調查他所運用的部門經委是不是不應該一樣對應該不一樣那目前在扮演的角色現在我們人權委員人也不夠啦是那沒有辦法做那麼多事情是所以我是說希望未來監察院在預算的一個編列上就算他不是獨立機關你們也應該在預算書的呈顯上 |
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將一個針對全國不分公司力部門包括勞動人權在內兩公院的落實的一個普查跟調查人權委員的預算的行使以及監察委員基於檢舉陳情他所行使的一個立法院監察委員事後權的監督的這個職權行使這樣的預算的一個行使的範疇編列是不是能夠分開的表達我們現在就分開啊有沒有表達包括出國會議都是先分開因為剛剛很多委員關心的 |
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我都不太清楚他是關心的是監委出國的考察會議還是以人權委員會參加就是國際會議的會議現在的負責人權委員會也有國際會議就是我們人權就是剛剛所講的所謂的出國費用包括監察院包括人權委員會通通加在一起但是我們的項目是分開編列項目是分開的好那我們希望未來 |
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縱使還沒有修我們的監察院職權行使法或者說是我們的預算在人權委員沒有成獨立機關之前這個部分希望你們在職權行使跟預算的運用上都能夠分別的呈現當然委員 監察委員他同時為人權會委員跟監察委員他在行使這職權的時候他有雙重身份有雙重效果我們希望就該案現在已經有委員申請自動調查了 |
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有六位嘛我們希望這個案子呢還在寒群階段還在寒群階段希望監察院在沒有回歸到三權之前監察權沒有回歸到國會權沒有回歸到立法院之前我們希望監察院好自為之這個事件我們不管監察院或是人權委員會都會認真的調查好謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157139 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157139 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-14 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T10:55:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T11:09:50+08:00 |
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