| IVOD_ID |
157118 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157118 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T10:25:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T10:36:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/be8492a9d81d8eab0eb99b65c800f3f9e934a6858ea795292ae224b9eab90f611db97a0ba832a5a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:25:45 - 10:36:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
| transcript.pyannote[0].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].start |
0.03096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].end |
0.46971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].start |
23.85846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].end |
24.80346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].start |
25.39409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].end |
26.65971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].start |
33.42659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].end |
34.13534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].start |
34.55721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].end |
34.65846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].start |
34.89471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].end |
35.56971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].start |
35.85659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].end |
36.24471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].start |
37.08846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].end |
39.87284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].start |
40.39596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].end |
41.08784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].start |
41.44221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].end |
42.31971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].start |
42.55596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].end |
42.80909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].start |
43.29846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].end |
50.75721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].start |
51.22971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].end |
52.34346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].start |
52.68096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].end |
57.40596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].start |
57.70971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].end |
60.93284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].start |
61.20284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].end |
62.02971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].start |
62.35034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].end |
62.97471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].start |
63.53159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].end |
64.64534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].start |
65.38784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].end |
66.28221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].start |
67.09221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].end |
69.55596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].start |
70.01159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].end |
72.42471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].start |
72.61034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].end |
75.05721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].start |
75.44534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].end |
76.84596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].start |
77.33534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].end |
80.32221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].start |
80.71034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].end |
83.59596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].start |
83.78159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].end |
87.05534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].start |
87.52784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].end |
88.35471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].start |
88.92846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].end |
92.97846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].start |
88.97909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].end |
89.31659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].start |
89.36721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].end |
90.76784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].start |
91.57784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].end |
91.98284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].start |
92.97846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].end |
93.02909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].start |
93.02909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].end |
95.29034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].start |
94.80096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].end |
95.12159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].start |
95.72909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].end |
102.54659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].start |
102.59721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].end |
106.44471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].start |
106.96784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].end |
109.09409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].start |
109.81971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].end |
113.92034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].start |
114.25784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].end |
116.40096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].start |
116.51909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].end |
117.68346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].start |
118.20659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].end |
122.22284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].start |
122.84721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].end |
123.77534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].start |
123.87659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].end |
125.17596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].start |
125.95221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].end |
127.11659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].start |
128.19659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].end |
128.21346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].start |
128.21346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].end |
128.29784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].start |
129.09096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].end |
131.11596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].start |
130.13721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].end |
139.31721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].start |
132.93846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].end |
132.97221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].start |
133.05659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].end |
133.10721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].start |
133.12409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].end |
133.14096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].start |
138.35534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].end |
139.23284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].start |
139.80659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].end |
142.89471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].start |
143.38409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].end |
145.66221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].start |
145.93221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].end |
146.18534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].start |
146.86034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].end |
147.75471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].start |
149.12159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].end |
150.57284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].start |
150.21846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].end |
154.18409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].start |
153.13784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].end |
156.36096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].start |
155.68596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].end |
156.88409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].start |
156.88409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].end |
157.03596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].start |
157.03596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].end |
159.93846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[62].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[62].start |
159.60096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[62].end |
161.03534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[63].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[63].start |
161.40659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[63].end |
165.18659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[64].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[64].start |
165.18659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[64].end |
165.84471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[65].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[65].start |
165.84471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[65].end |
165.96284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[66].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[66].start |
165.96284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[66].end |
170.56971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[67].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[67].start |
170.82284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[67].end |
171.68346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[68].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[68].start |
173.79284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[68].end |
174.58596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[69].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[69].start |
174.73784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[69].end |
176.49284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[70].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[70].start |
177.26909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[70].end |
178.48409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[71].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[71].start |
179.00721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[71].end |
179.69909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[72].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[72].start |
180.47534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[72].end |
183.66471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[73].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[73].start |
184.71096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[73].end |
185.20034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[74].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[74].start |
185.52096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[74].end |
188.59221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[75].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[75].start |
188.86221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[75].end |
192.76034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[76].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[76].start |
193.21596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[76].end |
194.04284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[77].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[77].start |
194.49846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[77].end |
195.29159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[78].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[78].start |
195.59534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[78].end |
196.13534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[79].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[79].start |
196.65846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[79].end |
198.64971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[80].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[80].start |
201.33284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[80].end |
202.69971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[81].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[81].start |
203.23971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[81].end |
204.84284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[82].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[82].start |
205.34909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[82].end |
210.24284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[83].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[83].start |
211.22159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[83].end |
212.67284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[84].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[84].start |
214.03971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[84].end |
215.11971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[85].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[85].start |
215.33909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[85].end |
216.26721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[86].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[86].start |
216.60471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[86].end |
217.39784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[87].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[87].start |
218.83221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[87].end |
219.60846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[88].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[88].start |
220.26659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[88].end |
223.32096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[89].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[89].start |
223.99596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[89].end |
225.70034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[90].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[90].start |
225.93659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[90].end |
227.01659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[91].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[91].start |
227.65784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[91].end |
228.80534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[92].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[92].start |
229.41284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[92].end |
230.44221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[93].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[93].start |
230.69534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[93].end |
231.57284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[94].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[94].start |
232.77096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[94].end |
234.47534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[95].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[95].start |
234.93096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[95].end |
236.14596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[96].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[96].start |
236.85471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[96].end |
237.71534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[97].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[97].start |
237.95159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[97].end |
239.14971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[98].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[98].start |
239.30159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[98].end |
240.12846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[99].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[99].start |
240.43221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[99].end |
241.64721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[100].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[100].start |
241.64721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[100].end |
241.66409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[101].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[101].start |
242.00159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[101].end |
242.96346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[102].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[102].start |
242.96346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[102].end |
244.22909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[103].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[103].start |
244.66784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[103].end |
244.87034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[104].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[104].start |
244.87034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[104].end |
249.86534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[105].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[105].start |
244.95471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[105].end |
245.49471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[106].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[106].start |
249.86534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[106].end |
250.55721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[107].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[107].start |
250.11846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[107].end |
252.12659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[108].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[108].start |
251.18159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[108].end |
252.07596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[109].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[109].start |
252.12659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[109].end |
261.79596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[110].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[110].start |
254.32034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[110].end |
255.02909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[111].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[111].start |
257.00346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[111].end |
257.15534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[112].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[112].start |
262.85909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[112].end |
264.27659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[113].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[113].start |
264.63096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[113].end |
267.02721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[114].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[114].start |
267.93846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[114].end |
270.77346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[115].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[115].start |
270.97596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[115].end |
272.89971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[116].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[116].start |
273.55784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[116].end |
274.62096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[117].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[117].start |
274.95846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[117].end |
275.39721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[118].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[118].start |
276.37596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[118].end |
277.15221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[119].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[119].start |
277.65846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[119].end |
282.29909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[120].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[120].start |
282.45096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[120].end |
285.48846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[121].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[121].start |
286.06221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[121].end |
289.38659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[122].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[122].start |
289.63971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[122].end |
290.09534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[123].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[123].start |
290.93909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[123].end |
296.71034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[124].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[124].start |
297.01409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[124].end |
298.63409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[125].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[125].start |
299.24159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[125].end |
301.92471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[126].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[126].start |
302.76846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[126].end |
303.57846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[127].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[127].start |
303.98346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[127].end |
304.74284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[128].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[128].start |
305.53596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[128].end |
308.42159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[129].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[129].start |
309.34971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[129].end |
310.36221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[130].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[130].start |
311.23971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[130].end |
312.04971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[131].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[131].start |
312.96096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[131].end |
316.52159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[132].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[132].start |
316.75784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[132].end |
318.04034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[133].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[133].start |
319.77846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[133].end |
320.40284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[134].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[134].start |
321.28034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[134].end |
322.41096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[135].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[135].start |
323.54159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[135].end |
325.24596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[136].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[136].start |
325.43159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[136].end |
330.22409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[137].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[137].start |
330.96659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[137].end |
333.39659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[138].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[138].start |
334.69596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[138].end |
337.07534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[139].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[139].start |
337.96971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[139].end |
342.49221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[140].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[140].start |
343.08284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[140].end |
345.61409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[141].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[141].start |
346.10346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[141].end |
346.54221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[142].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[142].start |
346.84596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[142].end |
351.57096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[143].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[143].start |
352.24596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[143].end |
352.68471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[144].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[144].start |
352.93784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[144].end |
359.31659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[145].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[145].start |
359.82284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[145].end |
363.73784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[146].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[146].start |
364.05846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[146].end |
373.74471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[147].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[147].start |
373.94721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[147].end |
376.95096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[148].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[148].start |
376.95096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[148].end |
396.71159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[149].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[149].start |
396.71159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[149].end |
396.94784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[150].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[150].start |
396.94784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[150].end |
396.96471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[151].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[151].start |
396.96471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[151].end |
397.26846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[152].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[152].start |
397.26846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[152].end |
397.57221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[153].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[153].start |
397.57221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[153].end |
402.28034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[154].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[154].start |
397.62284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[154].end |
398.98971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[155].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[155].start |
402.82034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[155].end |
405.23346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[156].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[156].start |
405.53721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[156].end |
407.91659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[157].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[157].start |
408.47346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[157].end |
409.80659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[158].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[158].start |
410.16096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[158].end |
412.27034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[159].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[159].start |
412.62471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[159].end |
413.31659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[160].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[160].start |
413.80596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[160].end |
421.95659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[161].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[161].start |
422.10846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[161].end |
425.55096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[162].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[162].start |
426.12471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[162].end |
432.68909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[163].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[163].start |
426.17534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[163].end |
427.57596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[164].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[164].start |
430.41096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[164].end |
431.08596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[165].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[165].start |
433.41471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[165].end |
436.21596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[166].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[166].start |
435.45659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[166].end |
436.13159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[167].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[167].start |
436.21596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[167].end |
436.36784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[168].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[168].start |
436.36784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[168].end |
444.60284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[169].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[169].start |
445.22721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[169].end |
446.50971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[170].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[170].start |
445.34534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[170].end |
449.27721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[171].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[171].start |
449.51346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[171].end |
459.52034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[172].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[172].start |
459.52034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[172].end |
459.53721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[173].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[173].start |
459.53721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[173].end |
460.02659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[174].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[174].start |
460.02659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[174].end |
466.70909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[175].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[175].start |
462.89534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[175].end |
463.65471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[176].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[176].start |
467.16471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[176].end |
472.04159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[177].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[177].start |
472.49721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[177].end |
473.89784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[178].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[178].start |
474.42096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[178].end |
481.76159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[179].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[179].start |
478.79159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[179].end |
481.62659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[180].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[180].start |
481.74471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[180].end |
490.03034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[181].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[181].start |
481.77846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[181].end |
482.90909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[182].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[182].start |
482.94284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[182].end |
484.47846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[183].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[183].start |
490.03034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[183].end |
505.28534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[184].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[184].start |
492.56159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[184].end |
493.28721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[185].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[185].start |
497.97846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[185].end |
499.48034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[186].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[186].start |
505.58909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[186].end |
514.54971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[187].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[187].start |
505.62284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[187].end |
508.12034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[188].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[188].start |
510.88784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[188].end |
511.84971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[189].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[189].start |
514.97159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[189].end |
520.79346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[190].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[190].start |
521.67096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[190].end |
523.20659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[191].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[191].start |
524.32034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[191].end |
526.09221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[192].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[192].start |
527.42534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[192].end |
528.69096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[193].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[193].start |
530.07471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[193].end |
532.63971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[194].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[194].start |
535.81221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[194].end |
537.22971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[195].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[195].start |
537.75284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[195].end |
540.65534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[196].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[196].start |
540.82409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[196].end |
541.95471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[197].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[197].start |
543.52409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[197].end |
545.53221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[198].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[198].start |
546.93284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[198].end |
549.00846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[199].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[199].start |
549.51471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[199].end |
550.99971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[200].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[200].start |
551.91096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[200].end |
558.67784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[201].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[201].start |
554.13846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[201].end |
554.67846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[202].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[202].start |
559.06596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[202].end |
560.97284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[203].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[203].start |
561.46221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[203].end |
562.89659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[204].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[204].start |
563.50409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[204].end |
564.19596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[205].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[205].start |
565.07346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[205].end |
568.14471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[206].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[206].start |
568.14471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[206].end |
569.81534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[207].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[207].start |
568.51596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[207].end |
578.74221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[208].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[208].start |
574.48971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[208].end |
574.91159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[209].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[209].start |
574.94534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[209].end |
575.35034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[210].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[210].start |
578.20221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[210].end |
579.55221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[211].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[211].start |
578.80971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[211].end |
578.87721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[212].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[212].start |
579.34971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[212].end |
582.52221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[213].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[213].start |
582.96096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[213].end |
584.98596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[214].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[214].start |
585.12096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[214].end |
588.12471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[215].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[215].start |
588.44534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[215].end |
592.12409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[216].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[216].start |
592.71471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[216].end |
592.93409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[217].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[217].start |
592.86659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[217].end |
594.48659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[218].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[218].start |
594.90846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[218].end |
596.22471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[219].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[219].start |
597.08534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[219].end |
598.48596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[220].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[220].start |
599.97096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[220].end |
601.37159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[221].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[221].start |
601.48971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[221].end |
603.39659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[222].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[222].start |
603.41346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[222].end |
605.77596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[223].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[223].start |
604.54409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[223].end |
604.67909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[224].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[224].start |
606.18096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[224].end |
607.44659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[225].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[225].start |
607.96971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[225].end |
612.20534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[226].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[226].start |
610.51784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[226].end |
611.39534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[227].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[227].start |
612.54284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[227].end |
613.30221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[228].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[228].start |
613.90971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[228].end |
614.70284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[229].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[229].start |
615.20909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[229].end |
615.32721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[230].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[230].start |
615.32721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[230].end |
621.46971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[231].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[231].start |
615.36096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[231].end |
616.05284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[232].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[232].start |
619.84971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[232].end |
620.17034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[233].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[233].start |
620.64284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[233].end |
628.42221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[234].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[234].start |
621.73971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[234].end |
627.59534375 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
0.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].end |
23.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].text |
請進部副部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
34.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
35.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
37.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
65.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
在我們的諮詢之中有公司要打斃、要列定方針,說到做到嘛。 是。我今天特別提醒你一點,今天這幾天要再想想想,陳啓楷不只是人要抓回來,不當的錢要去追回來,包括要補償的錢,有一個點你這段時間一定要很注意的,就是未來還有很多人要求跟台元要求償,因為他去訂了很多的不平等的條約, |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
67.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
87.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
尤其是我自己的技術在那個案場,他可能求償,台擬喔,是那麼大的公司喔,台擬跟台演要求償140億喔,這幾天你看文森台電一直在追什麼1000億,這個地方沒有處理好,巴西也有處理啊,人民的納稅錢140億就出去了,所以有不平等合約你現在回去,每一下把它拿出來看好不好,趕快去處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
89.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
89.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
發言委員：張啓楷 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
109.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
126.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
去騙人家,結果現在導致140億的虧損可能出現。好啦,另外我跟大家講一個案子,博定,你聽不懂說,雲報啊,炒股的事情你要通知經管會嘛對不對?經管會後來,炒股的事情啊,雲報啊,這炒股的事情有進度嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
131.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
147.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
這個不是我主管的這是經管會他們主管的阿我這是依法行事阿但是這個我所了解炒股這兩個字阿對經管會來講這個不是官方語言所以這就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
149.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
155.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
台灣電力股份有限公司：台灣電力股份有限公司：台灣電力股份有限公司：台灣電力股份有限公司：台灣電力股份有限公司：台灣電力股份有限公司： |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
177.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
198.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
台南的北門有個案場,他後來把這個案場轉給銀豹投資結果啊,現在是媒體跟立委都追出來,在講說他是不是找了一個紙上的公司叫做縱橫家又掏空了,台元力能1億元這是銀豹喔,一樣是銀豹 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
201.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
215.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
臺研就說去查嘛對不對那裡面有三個非常不合理的這家公司為什麼說他是紙上公司?掏空的臺研可能是異議這家公司跟銀豹同樣在一個地方第一個你如果打電話去他的聯絡人是誰?銀豹的經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
218.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
228.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
更離譜的,台言綠能後來發現說這是額外的喔,不給你這個1億啊不給你這個1億,不給你這個水條他說不給這個1億,出來討債的是誰?銀豹的創辦人張健偉所以現在銀豹不是只有炒股的問題喔,你說的你管的這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
236.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
261.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
去查一下雲報有沒有掏空臺元力能一一的事情,把它查清楚。報告委員,這樣你是不是來檢舉一下?你有檢舉,我們才有辦法去叫你說檢舉的這個規定裡面來查。沒有人檢舉就沒辦法查。我剛剛這個算是檢舉嘛,我可以正式再檢舉一次。謝謝。我檢舉完,你是要查嘛,對不對?好,這是一個。好來,我們來談另外,昨天也是元旭昨天的。 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
263.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
288.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
現在啊,台電說它虧損累累,要破產了嘛那所以我們要不要給它一千億的同時現在有一個新的黑洞可能出現了我們的國營事業包括中華電信、中油、中鋼、高鐵要去成立一個塑電平台這有兩個問題啦第一台電本來就有啊,應該台電的塑電平台你就是說嘛,希望這些中小企業可以買到電嘛買到綠電嘛第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
291.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
317.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
為什麼台電的這個售電平臺沒辦法發揮它的功能這是要檢討的讓它發揮功能這是第一個第二個我們在談的很重要的這裡面有可能牽扯到法律的背信的問題我先提醒喔為什麼是背信你現在講的你現在去找的國營事業這幾家啊都是上市公司喔那他現在去買你現在這個售電平臺裡面如果這些公司這些國營事業又去買電 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
319.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
336.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
又去買電你如果買得太貴這是不是有背信的問題啊 對不對所以我們今天講一個很重要的第一我叫你說很清楚的你昨天有承諾嘛我們看一下下一張齁非常很清楚的承諾不能夠在這個合約裡面去訂什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
338.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
346.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我們的售電的賣電公司的這個股東包括中華電信跟中鋼他們電賣不出去叫他們去買這條一定要拿掉對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
346.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
349.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
是的第二個更重要你一直在說嘛你說你不聽工啦不去買什麼一些電燒整個對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
352.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
370.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
當然問題是現在就是綠電太貴啊所以台積電沒得買嘛其他人都不買嘛所以才搞到說要成立這家公司老實講有一點是要幫我們的綠電要不然的話綠電現在連銀行都不借錢給他嘛所以他以後有他們銀行願意借錢給他這是第2功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
370.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
399.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
可是第一個 他的電還是貴的 所以第一個我要提醒一個第一個不能買比台積電貴的電 是不是是的 我想謝謝這個委員啦 未雨綢繆我怎麼跟你一樣 我怎麼想說醫療有什麼樣的情形 所以這幾個scenario我們都有在考慮啦那當然有一些不足的 像剛才你在講的買電的義務啊什麼 我再回去會把這個拿掉好 第一個把它拿掉 確定嗎 第二個最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
399.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
407.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
我們做一個怎麼樣確定不會買到太貴的電你先去整合訂單跟需求嗎我今天明確的做一個要求沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
408.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
427.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
沒有拿到企業,沒有很明確已經說人家買電了,就不能買,就是不會買到太貴的電啊。就是說你不要先買一堆電進來,買了一堆電進來,台電現在就這樣啊,買了一堆太貴,賺過之後買了一堆太貴的,賣不出去自己叫中鋼去買嘛,那我們要怎麼預防?回過頭嘛,我們是有訂單,我們才去買電,可不可以? |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
427.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
429.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
可以喔,你看,電通了嘛對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
433.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
434.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
台灣電力股份有限公司：張啓楷 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
449.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
471.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
的這樣政策啦所以他當然是比較受這個政策的公共政策的這個影響但是我們那個售電平台那個不是喔那個不是出來做公共政策的我們把它明確化啦你看一下你的文字要先整合訂單跟需求你確定有人要買電的時候你才能夠去把電買進來好不好這個明文規定了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
472.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
485.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
昨天我已經訂了第一條了,不能夠叫中鋼那些賣不出去的電器買,這是已經第一個人確定,就是第二條,那第一條就是我馬上明確﹗我可能就叫他退出啦,叫他退出溝通啦,你如果這樣說我就叫他退出溝通啦,他想要沒電再來把委員拖就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
489.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
490.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
現在不是你跟我的問題,現在是這幾家國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
505.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
510.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
中小企業信保基金最近有投訴一個很重要的案子你看一下今年6月1號有人去投訴說他被性騷擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
535.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
563.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
信用保證基金信保基金會不會變信保基金他6月1號一個女職員就去跟董事長跟信保的董事長就投訴了結果這個董事長做了什麼事情他反而要求沒有處理反而要求出具不要去信評會的承諾書他竟然轉送他一個口罩後來給全部的員工送乖乖 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
565.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
567.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
他之前已經做了不當的行為包括去摸這個女職業的手 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
593.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
598.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這個你之前簡訊跟他說什麼?男女授受不親結果你知道這個主管怎麼回? |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
600.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
626.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
他說什麼碩碩不清還沒清到你還沒清到好我們來瞭解啦然後他說我是要提醒你不要再換錯結果他竟然就回什麼這個叫出事提升一點回憶都沒有更嚴重的那為什麼董事長知道這個事情拖這麼久這個內容裡面有很多都比較敏感的我都還遮起來喔一定要查清楚把那個內容給我們我們來追查清楚好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
630.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
630.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
韓國瑜 |
| gazette.lineno |
463 |
| gazette.blocks[0][0] |
張委員啓楷：（10時26分）請郭部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[1][0] |
主席：請經濟部郭部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[2][0] |
郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[3][0] |
張委員啓楷：部長早。 |
| gazette.blocks[4][0] |
郭部長智輝：早。 |
| gazette.blocks[5][0] |
張委員啓楷：昨天我們質詢時有共識，打弊要雷厲風行，說到要做到嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[6][0] |
郭部長智輝：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[7][0] |
張委員啓楷：我昨天特別提醒你一點，這幾天要再去追，不只是陳啟昱的人要抓回來，不當的錢要去追回來，還包括要補償的錢。有一個點，你這段時間一定要很注意的，未來還有很多人要求跟臺鹽求償，因為他訂了很多的不平等的條約，尤其是我們嘉義義竹的那個案場，那麼大的公司，台泥要跟臺鹽求償140億。這幾天你看台電一直在那邊追什麼1,000億，這個地方沒有處理好，140億就出去了，人民的納稅錢140億就出去了，所以有不平等合約，你現在回去把每一項都拿出來看，好不好？趕快去處理，趕快去處理不平等合約的事情…… |
| gazette.blocks[8][0] |
郭部長智輝：這應該是法院可以決定的事情。 |
| gazette.blocks[9][0] |
張委員啓楷：不是，一方面是法院要決定，一方面就是…… |
| gazette.blocks[9][1] |
因為臺鹽簽了很多不平等的合約，你做部長的，要要求經濟部去了解，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[10][0] |
郭部長智輝：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[11][0] |
張委員啓楷：因為很嚴重的是他連董事會都沒通過，董事會通過的是A案，他拿一個C案去騙人家，結果導致現在可能出現140億的虧損。 |
| gazette.blocks[11][1] |
另外我再跟你講一個案子，部長，你上次說雲豹炒股的事情，你要通知金管會，對不對？後來雲豹炒股的事情有進度嗎？沒有？你只是檢舉…… |
| gazette.blocks[12][0] |
郭部長智輝：不是、不是，這個不是我主管的，是金管會他們主管的，我就是依法行事…… |
| gazette.blocks[13][0] |
張委員啓楷：依法行事，就請法官去處理。 |
| gazette.blocks[14][0] |
郭部長智輝：但就我所了解，「炒股」這兩個字對金管會來講不是官方語言，所以這就是……不是官方語言所以…… |
| gazette.blocks[15][0] |
張委員啓楷：他們發布那個消息之後，確實股價看起來不正常，所以你那天才會這麼生氣嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[16][0] |
郭部長智輝：所以我才講說自有公評，社會大家來…… |
| gazette.blocks[17][0] |
張委員啓楷：社會公評，然後金管會看有沒有…… |
| gazette.blocks[18][0] |
郭部長智輝：金管會就說……我說「炒股」這兩個字不是官方語言，所以他們也沒辦法去查這個事情。 |
| gazette.blocks[19][0] |
張委員啓楷：所以正在查就對了？那我今天來談一個跟你有關的，經濟部管的。來，也是雲豹，本來臺鹽綠能在臺南北門有個案場，他後來把這個案場轉給雲豹投資，結果現在媒體跟立委都追出來講，他是不是找了一個紙上的公司叫做縱橫家，又掏空了臺鹽綠能1億元？這是雲豹喔，一樣是雲豹，那臺鹽就去查了，裡面有三個非常不合理的，這家公司為什麼說是紙上公司？掏空臺鹽可能1億，這家公司跟雲豹同樣在一個地方；第二個，打電話去，他的聯絡人是誰？雲豹的經理。更離譜的，臺鹽綠能後來發現這是額外的，不給他這1億啊，部長你注意聽喔，不給他這1億，出來討債的是誰？雲豹的創辦人──張建偉，所以現在雲豹不是只有炒股的問題，你管的這部分去查一下，雲豹有沒有掏空臺鹽綠能1億的事情，把它查清楚。 |
| gazette.blocks[20][0] |
郭部長智輝：報告委員，這樣你是不是來檢舉一下？你檢舉了，我們才有辦法照你所檢舉的過程來查，不然沒有人檢舉就沒有辦法查。 |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
張委員啓楷：我剛剛這個就算是檢舉嘛，我可以正式再檢舉一次。 |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
郭部長智輝：謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
張委員啓楷：我檢舉完，你就需要查，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
郭部長智輝：會。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
張委員啓楷：好。另外，也是延續昨天的問題，台電說虧損累累、已經要破產了，我們在考慮要不要給它1,000億的同時，現在有一個新的黑洞可能會出現了。我們的國營事業，包括中華電信、中油、中鋼、高鐵等等要去成立一個售電平臺，這會有兩個問題，第一個，台電本來就有台電的售電平臺，而且你也一直說，希望這些中小企業可以買到電、買到綠電，所以為什麼台電的售電平臺沒辦法發揮功能？這是要檢討的，應該讓它發揮功能，這是第一個；第二個，我們在談一個很重要的，這裡面有可能牽扯到法律背信的問題，我先提醒，為什麼是背信？你現在去找的這幾家國營事業都是上市公司，在這個售電平臺裡面，如果這些國營事業、公司又去買電，而且買得太貴，這是不是有背信的問題？所以我們昨天有說一個很重要的事情，你昨天有非常清楚的承諾，不能夠在這個合約裡面訂定我們這些售電、賣電的公司股東，包括中華電信跟中鋼，若電賣不出去，就叫他們去買，這條一定要拿掉，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
郭部長智輝：是的。 |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
張委員啓楷：第二個更重要，你一直在說，你沒那麼笨，不會去買什麼太貴的電，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[28][0] |
郭部長智輝：當然。 |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
張委員啓楷：問題是現在的綠電太貴啊！所以台積電不買了，其他人都不買，所以才會搞到要成立這家公司，老實講，這有一點是要幫我們的綠電，要不然的話，綠電現在連銀行都不借錢給它，所以這樣一來，以後銀行可能願意借錢給它，這是第一個功能；第二個，但它的電還是貴的，所以我要提醒的是，不能買比台積電還貴的電，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
郭部長智輝：是的，謝謝委員未雨綢繆，我們也跟你一樣，有想到以後可能會有什麼樣的情形，所以這幾個scenario我們都有在考慮，當然有一些不足的，像剛才你在講的有買電的義務什麼的，我回去後會把這個拿掉。 |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
張委員啓楷：好，第一個，把它拿掉，確定嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
郭部長智輝：是，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
張委員啓楷：第二個，更重要的是，我們怎樣確定不會買到太貴的電？你先去整合訂單跟需求，我今天明確的做一個要求，沒有拿到契約、沒有很明確的收到人家已經說要買電了，那就不能買，這樣就不會買到太貴的電，等於是你不要先去買一堆電進來，台電現在就是這樣，躉購之後買了一堆太貴的，賣不出去的，自己就叫中鋼去買，所以我們要怎麼預防？應該是回過頭來看，有訂單後我們才去買電，可不可以這樣做？ |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
郭部長智輝：是的。 |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
張委員啓楷：點頭了，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
郭部長智輝：是的，我們就是這個樣子啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
張委員啓楷：確定喔！就這樣決定下來。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
郭部長智輝：就是有需求才會供應。 |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
張委員啓楷：有需求、有合約才買電，不能夠像台電現在全部都買進來，賣出去價格又便宜的話，這個就是會賠錢。 |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
郭部長智輝：因為台電是一個國營的公司，它有照顧……這樣的一個政策性，所以它當然是比較受公共政策的影響，但是我們那個售電平臺並不是出來做公共政策的。 |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
張委員啓楷：部長，所以我們把它明確化，你看一下我擬的文字，要先整合訂單跟需求，確定有人要買電的時候，你才能夠把電買進來，好不好？這個就明文規定了，好不好？昨天我已經訂了第一條了，不能夠叫中鋼等國營企業去買那些賣不出去的電，這是第一個已經很確定的地方…… |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
郭部長智輝：我可能會叫他們退出股東，如果照你這麼說，那我就叫它退出股東，將來如果買不到電再來跟委員討就好了。 |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
張委員啓楷：怎麼會是找我，我當然也是找你啊！我們現在不是反對它買電，而是不能買到太貴的電，部長，現在不是你跟我的問題，現在是這幾家國營事業有130萬的股民…… |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
郭部長智輝：我們的立場是一樣的。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
張委員啓楷：我提醒你，這裡面有背信問題喔！這130萬股民，若有任何一個人按鈴控告你買了太貴的電，你就背信了，所以這個問題要解決。 |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
郭部長智輝：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
張委員啓楷：另外，我還有一個問題，中小企業信保基金最近有投資一個很重要的案子，今年6月1號有人去投訴說他被性騷擾，「信保基金」會不會變成「性保基金」？6月1號一個女職員去跟信保董事長投訴，結果這個董事長做了什麼事情？他不僅沒有處理，反而要求出具不要去性平會的承諾書，更嚴重的是，他竟然轉送她一個口罩，後來還送乖乖給全部的員工，女性員工被性騷擾、來投訴了，照理應該要處理，對不對？你怎麼會送口罩？送口罩的意思是什麼？叫你不要講話嗎？送所有的員工乖乖，是叫你們乖乖，這個消息不能再講下去了？這個事情是很具體的，而且你看他拖了多久…… |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
主席：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
郭部長智輝：我們來了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
張委員啓楷：6月1號一直到7月18號，拖了一個半月；第二個，更嚴重的是，你看一下那個文字，我稍微唸一下文字…… |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
主席：時間已經到了。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
張委員啓楷：他之前已經做了不當的行為，包括去摸這個女職員的手，這個女職員簡訊跟他說了什麼？男女授受不親，結果你知道這個主管怎麼回？他說：什麼授受不親，都還沒親到你！ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
郭部長智輝：好，我們來了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
張委員啓楷：然後他說：我是要提醒你不要再犯錯。結果他回了什麼？這個叫初試啼聲，一點悔意都沒有。更嚴重的是，為什麼董事長知道這個事情後還拖這麼久，但這個內容裡面有很多都是比較敏感的，我都還遮起來了，所以一定要查清楚，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
郭部長智輝：麻煩委員把那個內容給我們，我們來追查清楚，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
主席：謝謝，部長請回座。下一位質詢請鄭正鈐委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
66 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-20 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310301_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查 114 年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公
司、台灣自來水股份有限公司（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310301_00001 |