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| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:58 - 10:20:26 |
| 影片長度 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、邀請相關部會首長就「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期特別預算執行情形及成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查行政院函請審議「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案(114年度)」（僅詢答）。
【預算提案截止時間：11月27日（三）中午12時】
【11月20日及21日二天一次會】） |
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陳署長吳副署跟副稅署還有宋署長、署記長這個703億第5期的這個預算是因為前面兩次的特別條例總共匡列8400億然後第一期、第二期、第三期、第四期用了7000多億就是差這703億所以你這第5期就是這703億是不是這樣說是是吼那 |
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今年的稅收的預算的實收數遠遠大於這個預算數現在估計起來前幾天我在這個地方請教莊部長他說應該至少會多3000多億那如果這樣子的話這個703億有需要舉借嗎? |
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因為703億它是114年度啦那現在我們113年度的一個剩餘的這個部分那我們就會針對第一個要舉借113年需要借債的一個部分113年已經不需要借債對就不需要借113年還增加還了 |
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71.665 |
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87.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
對,所以113你要增加還,那還的部分就到累積剩餘裡面去,累積剩餘然後再做一下。對啊,所以我說可不可以移用這個今年度的稅計剩餘,因為今年看出來就是明顯會有大量的稅計剩餘,把它拿來這個730這樣就不需要舉債啊。 |
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89.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
108.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
事實上今年在編114年度的時候他也有移用以前年度的稅基剩餘也有移用500億然後因為今年整個稅基剩餘下來剩下150幾億那如果再有累積剩餘再移下去就會可以做所以我才剛復稅署長才有講今年至少會多3000多億那遠大於這個遠大於預算說3000多億當然是 |
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116.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
145.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
除了增加還款之外就是不用舉借之後還會有稅計剩餘啊這樣剩下的就已經不多了會不多嗎對對對你告訴我舉債因為這一次舉債的部分跟委員報告那111、113的部分就是剩下152億那今年度113的稅計剩餘是112的嘛112對對那今年的稅計剩餘要等明年的7月審計部審定之後才能拿來移用啊所以這個部分是這樣子的跟委員報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
167.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
那不能先用短期債款來支應嗎?因為你既然7月審計不審定之後就會有大量的稅劑剩餘出現啊。所以跟委員報告,像我們今年提台電最佳預算的時候,就是因為5月送,那7月的時候才要審定,所以剛開始也是先用借款,然後這個部分等到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
168.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
190.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
審定以後再把它轉作為那個證語剛剛各部會通通都講說這主要都是坐在地方嘛前面的總共加第5期的8400億通通幾乎都是坐在地方啦那現在財劃法如果照國民黨委員會的版本他又要給你挖6000多億那你這個財源的分配的合理性 |
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191.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
204.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
到底跟這個前瞻基礎建設也是要補助給地方然後你現在又統籌分辨書館又挖那麼多地方去這樣兩個東西是不是地方已經幾乎把你的錢抽乾了結果你還要編那麼多預算去補助地方 |
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205.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
206.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
是否合理? |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
236.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
236.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
245.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
269.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
是我也再跟委員說明一下因為我們總共這一次的總預算是3兆1嘛那3兆1扣掉那個一法律一物一兆包我們只剩下一兆如果減掉6612億以後我們只剩下6千整個所有其他減掉一法律一物之外的錢通通要減半才有辦法去支應這個那另外一方面就是要取債啊是 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
270.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
288.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
不然就是國家舉債啊!沒有啊!可以到40.6啊!現在才28啊!當年度那個短期的有限制總預算的百分之十...那你就不要借短期的,借長期的啊!因為如果要這樣子惡搞,他就是要把國家的財政弄破產嘛! |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
289.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
307.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
那既然要這樣報告的話,我們上有對策、上有政策、下有對策用這樣子惡劣的方式把財源都挖掉,中央政府沒有錢怎麼補助呢?是,長期負債雖然可以超過到40%,但是當年度就是不能超過15%,所以你超過15%就是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
311.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
326.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
對啦,那所以你要想出其他的方法來處理不然的話這個東西如果硬這樣子折騰的話那國不成國啊你的整個財政破產你這個前瞻基礎建設8400多億都是在補助地方的占絕大多數結果他這樣還不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
328.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
355.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
統籌分配措款我查過新北市政府的財政之前連續4年他財政都是剩餘耶都是plus耶不是minus耶結果現在還要我今天那天問議員他也答不出來我說突然之間照這個現在通過的這個如果是照財政委員會出去的這一個新北市政府突然之間拿到600多億要700億準備怎麼花沒有人知道突然之間天上掉下來將近700億錢要怎麼花 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
357.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
375.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
你沒有計畫沒有事務的分配沒有權責的分配光給他將近700億我這個災難我難以想像所以要堅持加油是 這個部分是中央的確有困難以上說明好 謝謝謝謝吳秉瑞委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
380.457 |
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386.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
這個錢既然都是用在地方就是以後才會通過地方決定怎麼用怎麼用就不用透過中央來決定是哪個縣市 |
| IVOD_ID |
157115 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157115 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,15,19,22,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[5] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T10:13:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T10:20:26+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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