| IVOD_ID |
156989 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156989 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-18T09:36:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-18T09:49:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/37ff27132e477e872b0fcd319ba25ceb06883678c1ed2d0dc5cdff58eca86e5d288fdc86b9d8d4b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:36:44 - 09:49:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：11月25日（一）中午12時】） |
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有請財政部的莊部長莊部長委員好部長好齁這個 |
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明年的金融營業稅是不是確定不會再撥入那個RTC的準備金呢?是不是確定?對,因為那個營業稅本已經到今年底落日所以不會進入這個金融業特別準備金就是金管會那邊期待的落空啦那簡單的問題你就快速回答好了娛樂稅、印花稅其實大家滿多的爭議 |
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大家不同的角度不同的看法這個你們說現在娛樂稅要把它減半最高減半但是授權地方政府對吧 |
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我們按照現在課政娛樂稅所訂的各個項目的有一個上限我們不一定是減半就有往下調有些項目有調大部分有調部分沒有調那是交給地方政府嗎對本來也是讓地方政府去訂稅那原來是訂的是上限我就問你一個問題你一直在講說地方稅不能廢啊印方稅什麼等等的那要不要乾脆這個稅就通通交給地方政府他們自己訂 |
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在稅法通知裡面就訂這個﹖就不要有人來訂﹖委員上次也提議過但是我們在開會的時候各地方政府都不希望這樣子 |
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現在看到川普上來以後加密貨幣比特幣屏幕在漲國內都有很多人賺到錢我們就恭喜了 |
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課稅問題啊加密貨幣的課稅問題五區五區國稅局要不要一起來講一下你們各區有沒有開始課這個稅有沒有 |
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國稅局局長來先請臺北國是報告委員目前就是有跟我們金管會這邊登記的總共26家那他們都有來辦稅級登記也有繳納營業稅跟營所稅 |
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臺北市長 |
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有嗎?個人有嗎? |
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你剛才說是銀索稅是那個交易所,是那個交易所,那個場合,可是個人比如說我去買了賣了,你有沒有扣我稅? |
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那個現在我... |
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我們現在指的是那個那些營業的部分對嘛營業的部分你沒有講個人嘛我現在問你是個人就是我去那個營業交易場所那我賺了錢我要不要繳稅 |
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個人的部分目前我是沒有統計資料個人沒有交稅?應該是部長啊還有或者是署長要回答目前對這一塊是沒有交稅的 |
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報告委員我們現在稅法的規定是這樣就是加密貨幣現在是因為它不是貨幣嘛所以它是數位化資產數位化資產買賣你聽我把這個念完根據所得稅法第14條第1項第7類的課徵還有課稅的 |
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因為我們所得稅基本上是要自行申報那我們會加強查核 |
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因為現在是金管櫃那邊他要立專法,我們會整個配,但是我們現在也沒說一些,因為原則是他自己申報,如果他有短路報,我們要有一個管道。當然沒有,你不要磕水,跟你申報,我們給你主動去繳稅,現在因為你沒有磕,你無所作為啊。 |
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我們估計還是有一些場合的工具可以運用的你們要只針對那個場合交易的場合課引手稅沒有對那個個人交易的賺的錢課稅或者是說請教部長有沒有可能 |
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因為我們沒有課那個資本利得稅有沒有可能也就是課一筆個人的交易稅了事這所得稅太難了還是這個要課所得稅來來請教 |
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是跟委員報告我想既然第一個已經定性上他不是貨幣而是一個虛擬的資產是一個資產那他的交易他應該要課徵相關的貨意應該要課徵所得稅那接下來就是我們要怎麼樣去查核去做查核的部分那我想這個部分我們再來做一個研議好了什麼時候可以對於加密貨幣的個人 |
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或者是法人他們的獲利、課稅的整個辦法什麼時候可以出來?什麼時候可以出來?三個月可以嗎? |
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3個月可以嗎?3個月可以嗎?我跟委員報告其實現在我們有從平台不知道方便講就是說我們有從其他的資料來源去查他的數位化商品交易的情形我們有目前有在查沒有我現在就問你啦3個月內可不可以提出一個加密貨幣的買賣所得課稅的一個辦法好那我們來研理 |
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好3個月好不好3個月3個月喔好那再來一個也是小的問題那個5屆國稅局長可以請回喔菲律賓已經開徵了12%數位服務稅針對Amazon、Netflix、Disney以及Google的母公司Alphabet臺灣這部分有沒有在考慮啊數位稅這個部分我們是不是請署長來做說明好謝謝 |
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報告委員這所謂數位服務稅其實在OECD在過去很多歐盟國家有課後來他們就定位說在現在所謂Peter 1跟Peter 2出來之後希望各國不要再繼續課數位服務稅那台灣一直都不是課服務稅台灣課的是所得稅那我們所得稅它現在有所謂射算課稅的概念 |
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其實原則上誠實申報但如果你沒有就核實申報我應該講核實申報就賺多少報多少但如果你沒有辦法舉證我們是用射算所得來課稅那換算的結果其實就等於收入的某一個百分比來課稅 |
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那個百分比是多少?大概我們現在是大概設算的利潤率大概百分之三十左右百分之三十的多少?然後那個稅率大概我如果講那個營運事業的話大概就百分之二十所以大概就百分之六是百分之六是吧?對對對百分之六對因為菲律賓他課的一個mindset他中心思想是說我課了要扶持我相關的比較 |
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需要扶持的這些產業他是這樣的一個概念其他國家其實也都開始在課了你們去研究一下好我們再看下一個題目這個我想請教一下川普對全球課高關稅這個我們現在因應怎麼樣他給我們課10%以上目前來講我們是大概大概3%左右對台灣的關稅他如果課我們大家都保護主義那我們也課他可不可以 |
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我沒課稅美國美國進入台灣的我沒課稅可以嗎 |
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可以不可以講說如果美國真的對我們的到美國去的產品課高關稅 |
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部長聽好了,我們不排除我們對美國課高關稅有沒有可能?這計畫可以成立嗎?我講我科技的,講不排除可以嗎?關稅基本上因為我們是WTO的會員國所以我們會按照我們當時在陸會的時候的一些承諾的關稅稅率來課徵 |
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所以你的意思是美國即便課我們高關稅我們也不敢做相對的回應喔是這個意思喔 |
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那你沒有回答問題那我們的因應呢部長我們的因應就沒有因應根據WTO就這樣而已是吧 |
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好不好這個時間有限我再請問你我記得去年的時候我問了部長你在這裡這在這裡同一個地方同一個問題 |
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臺美從務課稅大概今年6月可以OK了結果現在已經是11月了還沒OK喔我可不可以同樣的問題你同樣的回答可不可以說我可不可以樂觀的預估只要川普上台以後大概明年的3月可以 |
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我講這個部分還沒有辦法做這樣的一個預估為什麼因為去年是因為一月份的時候眾議院已經先通過到參議院但參議院後來因為是包括法案的關係因為其中另外一個法案有一些爭議所以以至於我們這個在裡面接下來就碰到美國的大選所以整個是停滯在參議院 |
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那至於接下來我們也跟委員報告10月29號美國財政部已經發表聲明就是說會對會跟臺灣來做一個臺美ADTA的一個進一步的討論展開我們可以樂觀的預估沒有時間到了樂觀的預估明年第一季可以嗎我想這個時間上我沒有辦法預估因為我們和外交部以及那個數美代表會合作一起來推動是 |
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這個你對自己這麼沒有信心,飄飄一隻不敢再講了吼,嚇到啦吼,我們看這個針對要用第7波的信用管制打草房,會不會影響房地合一的稅收? |
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房地合一的稅收當然會影響啊那要看那個移軟動數移軟動數以及價格的差距啦對我們就會我關心的是長照基金喔它的來源750億用途879億入不敷出現在第7波的新能管制打下來房地合一的稅收絕對影響只是影響多少你不知道啊 |
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議員提出這個提問我們當然是來兩個禮拜啊那可以吧 |
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臺北國稅務部長 |
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再一次的形容管制因為如果沒有第8波就是最後一波了對皇帝合一會有影響但是影響到多少?影響到最後是長照激起重影響我們來收集資料以後做一個演繹事,謝謝那就是一個月後給那個賴司法委員這份資料謝謝,謝謝司法委員接著請郭國文委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席及各位先進。 |
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有請財政部莊部長。 |
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請莊部長。 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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2024-11-18T09:36:46.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-11-18T09:36:46.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-11-18T09:36:47.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2024-11-18T09:36:47.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-11-18T09:36:57.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:05.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
明年的金融營業稅是不是確定不會再撥入金融業特別準備金？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:07.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:12.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
對，因為營業稅法到今年底落日，所以不會進入金融業特別準備金。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:13.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:21.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
好，就是金管會的期待也落空了。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:22.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:35.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
娛樂稅、印花稅其實有滿多的爭議，大家有各種不同的角度、不同的看法，你們說娛樂稅現在最高要減半，但是授權地方政府，對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:39.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:42.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
現在課徵娛樂稅所定的各個項目有一個上限……減半？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:43.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:48.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
不一定是減半，就是往下調，有些項目有調，大部分有調，部分沒有調。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:48.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:49.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
還是交給地方政府嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:51.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-11-18T09:37:54.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
對，本來也是讓地方政府去做，原來訂的是上限，上限往下調啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-11-18T09:37:55.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:06.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我就問你一個問題，你們一直講地方稅不能廢，包括印花稅什麼等等的，那要不要乾脆把這個稅統統交給地方政府讓他們自己訂？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:07.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:08.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
在稅法通則裡面就訂這個？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:08.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:11.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
就不要由你們來訂，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:11.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:17.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
委員上次也有提議過，但是我們在開會的時候，各地方政府都不希望這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:17.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:18.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
還是由你們來訂嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
莊部長翠雲：他們就覺得 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:18.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:19.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
啊，你訂一下嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:19.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:20.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
地方政府需要你們當老大，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:20.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:21.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
當然我們也給他們一些彈性，比如說某些項目，像是藝文或是競技比賽的部分可以停徵或免徵，讓他們可以有一些依據。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:19.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:21.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
好，再來一個簡單的問題：川普當選以後，現在看到加密貨幣、比特幣拚命在漲，國內有很多人賺到錢，我們就恭喜啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.587 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-11-18T09:38:46.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-11-18T09:38:53.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
可是加密貨幣的課稅問題，五區國稅局要不要一起來講一下，你們各區有沒有開始課這個稅？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:00.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:02.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
國稅局局長，來。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:02.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:04.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
好，先請臺北國稅局。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
吳局長蓮英 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:04.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:09.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
報告委員，目前有跟金管會登記的總共26家，他們都有來辦稅籍登記，也有繳納營業稅跟營所稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:09.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:14.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
已經課了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
吳局長蓮英 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:14.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:18.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我這邊有數字，等一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:18.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:23.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
好，等一下整理好以後在這裡宣布一下。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:23.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:27.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
各區就要問了，是不是開始都有…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
吳局長蓮英 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:27.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:32.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
因為大部分在臺北國稅局…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.182 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:32.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:36.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
是不是都有開始在課加密貨幣的……等於是他的所得稅，有沒有？有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.074 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:36.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:37.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
個人有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:38.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:43.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
營所稅是針對交易所那個場合，我問的是個人，比如說我去買了、賣了，你有沒有課我稅？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
吳局長蓮英 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:51.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:56.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們現在指的是營業的部分。對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:56.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-11-18T09:39:58.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
營業的部分，你沒有講個人嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-11-18T09:39:58.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:05.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我現在問你的是個人，就是我去營業交易場所，我賺了錢，那我要不要繳稅？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
吳局長蓮英 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:09.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:12.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
個人的部分，目前我是沒有統計資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:13.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:14.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
個人沒有交稅，你在這裡…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
吳局長蓮英 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:14.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:14.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
應該是。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:16.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:21.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
部長，或者是署長要回答，目前對這一塊是沒有交稅的。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:22.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:28.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
報告委員，我們現在稅法的規定是這樣，就是加密貨幣因為它不是貨幣，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:28.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:29.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
數發部說是數位資產喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:29.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:30.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
數位化資產買賣…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:28.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:29.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
對，數發部說它是數位化資產，根據…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:29.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:30.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
如果他們…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:30.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:31.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
你聽我把這個唸完，根據所得稅法第十四條第一項，第七類的課徵…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:31.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:32.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
財產高於所得。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:31.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:31.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
它要課稅的。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:31.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:36.436667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
因為數發部已經界定它是資產，資產的買賣有所得要課稅，這是稅法規定的，對吧？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.059 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:36.436667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:41.232333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我講的對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:41.232333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-11-18T09:40:46.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
可是都沒課，你到目前為止都沒課。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-11-18T09:40:46.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:14.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
因為所得稅基本上是要自行申報，我們會加強查核，因為現在是金管會那邊要立專法，我們會整個配……但是我們現在也沒鬆懈，因為原則上要自行申報，如果他有短漏報，我們要有一個管道去查核。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:15.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:16.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你不要課誰跟你申報啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:16.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:19.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
哪有那麼笨的，人家哪會主動去繳稅，現在是因為你沒有課，你們無所作為啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.581 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:24.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:27.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我們還是有一些查核的工具可以運用的。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:27.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:28.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
你們沒有作為啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:28.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:37.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
你們現在只針對交易的場合課營所稅，沒有對個人交易所賺的錢課稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:37.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:49.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
或者是說請教部長，因為我們沒有課資本利得稅，有沒有可能就是課一筆個人的交易稅了事？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:50.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-11-18T09:41:51.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
因為課所得稅太難了，還是這個要課所得稅？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-11-18T09:41:55.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:02.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
跟委員報告，我想既然已經定性上它不是貨幣，而是一個虛擬的資產…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:02.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:03.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
它是資產喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:02.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:03.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
是一個資產…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:03.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:04.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
對，數發部說是資產喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:03.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:16.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
那它的交易應該要課徵相關……就是它的獲利應該要課徵所得稅，接下來就是我們要怎麼樣去查核的部分，我想這個部分我們再來研議。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:16.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:28.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
什麼時候可以對於加密貨幣的個人或者是法人，他們獲利課稅的整個辦法，什麼時候可以出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:28.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:29.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
這個部分是不是給我們時間…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:28.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:29.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
什麼時候可以出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:29.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:30.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
三個月可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:35.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:49.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我跟委員報告，其實現在我們有從……不知道方不方便講，就是我們有從其他的資料來源去查他的數位化商品交易的情形，我們有，目前有在查。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:50.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:58.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我現在就問你，三個月內可不可以提出一個加密貨幣的買賣所得課稅的辦法，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-11-18T09:42:58.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-11-18T09:42:58.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
好，我們來研擬。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:01.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:01.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
三個月，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:01.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:02.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:02.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:02.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
三個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:02.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:05.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:05.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:09.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
再來一個也是小的問題，國稅局局長可以請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:10.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:22.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
菲律賓已經開徵12%數位服務稅，針對Amazon、Netflix、Disney以及Google的母公司Alphabet，臺灣這部分有沒有在考慮？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:22.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:22.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
數位稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:22.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:23.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
這個部分我們是不是請署長來做說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:23.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:31.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
好，署長來。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:31.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-11-18T09:43:45.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
報告委員，所謂數位服務稅，其實過去在OECD很多歐盟國家有課，後來他們就定位說在現在所謂Pillar One跟Pillar Two出來之後，希望各國不要再繼續課數位服務稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.797 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-11-18T09:43:45.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:07.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
臺灣一直都不是課服務稅，臺灣課的是所得稅，我們所得稅現在有所謂設算課稅的概念，也就是原則上誠實申報，如果你沒有覈實申報，就是賺多少報多少，但如果你沒有辦法舉證，我們是用設算所得來課稅，換算的結果，其實就等於收入的某一個百分比來課稅。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:08.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:09.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
那個百分比是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:10.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:13.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我們現在設算的利潤率大概30%左右，然後…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:14.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:15.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
百分之三十的多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
宋署長秀玲 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:15.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:26.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
然後那個稅率大概……我如果講營利事業的話，大概就20%，所以大概就是……6%？對，6%。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:27.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:41.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
菲律賓的中心思想是課了之後去扶植相關比較需要扶植的產業，他是這樣的概念，其他國家其實也都開始在課了，你們去研究一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:42.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-11-18T09:44:50.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
我們再看下一個題目，我想請教一下，川普對全球課高關稅，我們現在怎麼樣因應？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-11-18T09:44:50.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:01.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
他給我們課10%以上……目前來講臺灣的關稅大概是3%左右，他如果課我們，大家都保護主義，那我們也課他可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:02.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:05.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我們也課美國，美國進入臺灣的我們也課稅，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:05.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:07.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
對於川普他在選舉期間所提的一些相關政見，到他就任以後，什麼時間會去落實或者落實的程度，其實我們認為這個部分還是需要觀察，以及怎麼樣的一個應對，我想我們都會做一些…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:07.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:40.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
可以不可以講說，如果美國真的對我們到美國去的產品課高關稅，部長聽好，我們不排除我們也對美國課高關稅，有沒有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:41.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:43.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
這一句話可以成立嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:43.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:46.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我講不排除，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:46.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-11-18T09:45:53.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
關稅基本上……因為我們是WTO的會員國，所以我們會按照我們當時在入會時候承諾的一些關稅稅率來課徵。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-11-18T09:45:56.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-11-18T09:46:04.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
所以你的意思是美國即便課我們高關稅，我們也不敢做相對的回應，是這個意思嗎？對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
彭署長英偉 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-11-18T09:46:04.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-11-18T09:46:08.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
報告委員，美國是總統依照他的行政命令所課的，比如說是國家安全法相關的法令去做的加徵關稅，它是一種加徵的概念，跟原本稅率的提高，兩個概念是不太一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-11-18T09:46:08.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-11-18T09:46:12.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
你沒有回答我的問題，那我們的因應呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-11-18T09:46:13.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-11-18T09:46:15.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
部長，我們的因應就是沒有因應，根據WTO，就這樣而已是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-11-18T09:46:38.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:06.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
時間有限，我再請問你，我記得去年的時候，我問了部長，你在這裡，同一個地方，同一個問題，臺美重複課稅的問題大概今年6月可以OK，結果現在已經是11月了卻還沒OK，同樣的問題，你同樣的回答，我可不可以樂觀的預估，只要川普上臺以後，大概明年的3月可以OK？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:06.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:08.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:08.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:13.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我想這個部分還沒有辦法做這樣的預估，為什麼？因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:13.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:14.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
你去年就承諾我啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:13.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:41.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
去年是因為1月份的時候，眾議院已經先通過送到了參議院，但參議院後來因為包裹法案的關係，因為其中另外一個法案有一些爭議，以致於我們這個在裡面……接下來就碰到美國的大選，所以整個是停滯在參議院，至於接下來，我們也跟委員報告，10月29號美國財政部已經發表聲明，就是會跟臺灣來做臺美ADTA的討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:41.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:46.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我們可以樂觀的預估……我的時間到了，樂觀的預估明年第一季可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:46.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:53.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
我想這個時間上，我沒有辦法預估，但我們和外交部以及駐美代表處會合作一起來推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:55.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:57.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
你對自己這麼沒有信心…… |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:57.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-11-18T09:47:59.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
這不是我們一方可以決定。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.091 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-11-18T09:47:59.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:02.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
跳票一次不敢再講了，嚇到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:05.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:11.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
針對央行第七波的信用管制，打炒房，會不會影響房地合一的稅收？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:13.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:16.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
房地合一的稅收當然會…… |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:16.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:16.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
當然會影響啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:17.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:21.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
那要看移轉棟數以及價格的差距。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:23.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:38.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
我關心的是長照基金，它的來源752億，用途879億，入不敷出，現在第七波的信用管制打下來，房地合一的稅收絕對影響，只是影響多少你不知道啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:38.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:39.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
要看移轉交易的價額差距多大。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:39.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:40.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
你能不能兩個禮拜以內給我們這個報告，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:40.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:41.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
給我們財委會，說整個會影響多少，因為我關心長照基金，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:39.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:40.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
是，委員提出這個題目，我們當然…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:40.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:40.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
兩個禮拜可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:40.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:45.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
兩個禮拜？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:45.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:50.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
第七波的信用管制對房地合一稅收的影響。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.056 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:50.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2024-11-18T09:48:55.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
是不是給我們一點時間蒐集一些資料…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2024-11-18T09:48:55.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:00.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
三個禮拜？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:00.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:05.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
給我們一個月好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:05.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:09.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
好，一個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:09.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:14.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:14.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:24.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
一個月內提出來這一次信用管制的影響，因為如果沒有第八波，就是最後一波了，對房地合一會有影響，但是影響到多少，影響到最後是長照基金收入。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.672 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:25.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:27.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
是，我們來蒐集資料以後進行研議，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
主席（賴委員惠員代） |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:28.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:34.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
部長，就是一個月後給賴士葆委員這一份資料，謝謝士葆委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
主席（賴委員惠員代） |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2024-11-18T09:49:34.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2024-11-18T09:49:35.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
接著請郭國文委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.9 |
| gazette.lineno |
251 |
| gazette.blocks[0][0] |
賴委員士葆：（9時36分）謝謝主席及各位先進。有請財政部莊部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[1][0] |
主席：請莊部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[2][0] |
莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[3][0] |
賴委員士葆：部長好。明年的金融營業稅是不是確定不會再撥入金融業特別準備金？ |
| gazette.blocks[4][0] |
莊部長翠雲：對，因為營業稅法到今年底落日，所以不會進入金融業特別準備金。 |
| gazette.blocks[5][0] |
賴委員士葆：好，就是金管會的期待也落空了。 |
| gazette.blocks[5][1] |
簡單的問題你就快速回答：娛樂稅、印花稅其實有滿多的爭議，大家有各種不同的角度、不同的看法，你們說娛樂稅現在最高要減半，但是授權地方政府，對吧？ |
| gazette.blocks[6][0] |
莊部長翠雲：現在課徵娛樂稅所定的各個項目有一個上限…… |
| gazette.blocks[7][0] |
賴委員士葆：減半？ |
| gazette.blocks[8][0] |
莊部長翠雲：不一定是減半，就是往下調，有些項目有調，大部分有調，部分沒有調。 |
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賴委員士葆：還是交給地方政府嘛！ |
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莊部長翠雲：對，本來也是讓地方政府去做，原來訂的是上限，上限往下調啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我就問你一個問題，你們一直講地方稅不能廢，包括印花稅什麼等等的，那要不要乾脆把這個稅統統交給地方政府讓他們自己訂？在稅法通則裡面就訂這個？就不要由你們來訂，可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：委員上次也有提議過，但是我們在開會的時候，各地方政府都不希望這樣子。 |
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賴委員士葆：還是由你們來訂嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：他們就覺得：啊，你訂一下嘛…… |
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賴委員士葆：地方政府需要你們當老大，是不是？ |
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莊部長翠雲：當然我們也給他們一些彈性，比如說某些項目，像是藝文或是競技比賽的部分可以停徵或免徵，讓他們可以有一些依據。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，再來一個簡單的問題：川普當選以後，現在看到加密貨幣、比特幣拚命在漲，國內有很多人賺到錢，我們就恭喜啦！可是加密貨幣的課稅問題，五區國稅局要不要一起來講一下，你們各區有沒有開始課這個稅？ |
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主席：國稅局局長，來。 |
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莊部長翠雲：好，先請臺北國稅局。 |
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吳局長蓮英：報告委員，目前有跟金管會登記的總共26家，他們都有來辦稅籍登記，也有繳納營業稅跟營所稅。 |
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賴委員士葆：已經課了多少？ |
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吳局長蓮英：我這邊有數字，等一下…… |
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賴委員士葆：好，等一下整理好以後在這裡宣布一下。 |
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吳局長蓮英：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：各區就要問了，是不是開始都有…… |
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吳局長蓮英：因為大部分在臺北國稅局…… |
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賴委員士葆：是不是都有開始在課加密貨幣的……等於是他的所得稅，有沒有？有嗎？個人有嗎？營所稅是針對交易所那個場合，我問的是個人，比如說我去買了、賣了，你有沒有課我稅？ |
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吳局長蓮英：我們現在指的是營業的部分。 |
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賴委員士葆：對嘛！營業的部分，你沒有講個人嘛！我現在問你的是個人，就是我去營業交易場所，我賺了錢，那我要不要繳稅？ |
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吳局長蓮英：個人的部分，目前我是沒有統計資料。 |
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賴委員士葆：個人沒有交稅，你在這裡…… |
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吳局長蓮英：應該是。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，或者是署長要回答，目前對這一塊是沒有交稅的。 |
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宋署長秀玲：報告委員，我們現在稅法的規定是這樣，就是加密貨幣因為它不是貨幣，所以…… |
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賴委員士葆：數發部說是數位資產喔！ |
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宋署長秀玲：數位化資產買賣…… |
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賴委員士葆：對，數發部說它是數位化資產，根據…… |
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宋署長秀玲：如果他們…… |
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賴委員士葆：你聽我把這個唸完，根據所得稅法第十四條第一項，第七類的課徵…… |
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宋署長秀玲：財產高於所得。 |
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賴委員士葆：它要課稅的。 |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
宋署長秀玲：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：因為數發部已經界定它是資產，資產的買賣有所得要課稅，這是稅法規定的，對吧？ |
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宋署長秀玲：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：我講的對不對？ |
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宋署長秀玲：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：可是都沒課，你到目前為止都沒課。 |
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宋署長秀玲：因為所得稅基本上是要自行申報，我們會加強查核，因為現在是金管會那邊要立專法，我們會整個配……但是我們現在也沒鬆懈，因為原則上要自行申報，如果他有短漏報，我們要有一個管道去查核。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不要課誰跟你申報啊！哪有那麼笨的，人家哪會主動去繳稅，現在是因為你沒有課，你們無所作為啊！ |
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宋署長秀玲：我們還是有一些查核的工具可以運用的。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們沒有作為啊！你們現在只針對交易的場合課營所稅，沒有對個人交易所賺的錢課稅。或者是說請教部長，因為我們沒有課資本利得稅，有沒有可能就是課一筆個人的交易稅了事？因為課所得稅太難了，還是這個要課所得稅？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，我想既然已經定性上它不是貨幣，而是一個虛擬的資產…… |
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賴委員士葆：它是資產喔！ |
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莊部長翠雲：是一個資產…… |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
賴委員士葆：對，數發部說是資產喔！ |
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莊部長翠雲：那它的交易應該要課徵相關……就是它的獲利應該要課徵所得稅，接下來就是我們要怎麼樣去查核的部分，我想這個部分我們再來研議。 |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！什麼時候可以對於加密貨幣的個人或者是法人，他們獲利課稅的整個辦法，什麼時候可以出來？ |
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莊部長翠雲：這個部分是不是給我們時間…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以出來？三個月可以嗎？ |
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宋署長秀玲：我跟委員報告，其實現在我們有從……不知道方不方便講，就是我們有從其他的資料來源去查他的數位化商品交易的情形，我們有，目前有在查。 |
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賴委員士葆：我現在就問你，三個月內可不可以提出一個加密貨幣的買賣所得課稅的辦法，可以嗎？ |
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宋署長秀玲：好，我們來研擬。 |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
賴委員士葆：三個月，好不好？ |
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宋署長秀玲：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
賴委員士葆：三個月。 |
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莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：再來一個也是小的問題，國稅局局長可以請回。菲律賓已經開徵12%數位服務稅，針對Amazon、Netflix、Disney以及Google的母公司Alphabet，臺灣這部分有沒有在考慮？數位稅。 |
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莊部長翠雲：這個部分我們是不是請署長來做說明？ |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
賴委員士葆：好，署長來。 |
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宋署長秀玲：報告委員，所謂數位服務稅，其實過去在OECD很多歐盟國家有課，後來他們就定位說在現在所謂Pillar One跟Pillar Two出來之後，希望各國不要再繼續課數位服務稅。臺灣一直都不是課服務稅，臺灣課的是所得稅，我們所得稅現在有所謂設算課稅的概念，也就是原則上誠實申報，如果你沒有覈實申報，就是賺多少報多少，但如果你沒有辦法舉證，我們是用設算所得來課稅，換算的結果，其實就等於收入的某一個百分比來課稅。 |
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賴委員士葆：那個百分比是多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
宋署長秀玲：我們現在設算的利潤率大概30%左右，然後…… |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
賴委員士葆：百分之三十的多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
宋署長秀玲：然後那個稅率大概……我如果講營利事業的話，大概就20%，所以大概就是…… |
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賴委員士葆：6%？ |
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宋署長秀玲：對，6%。 |
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賴委員士葆：菲律賓的中心思想是課了之後去扶植相關比較需要扶植的產業，他是這樣的概念，其他國家其實也都開始在課了，你們去研究一下。 |
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我們再看下一個題目，我想請教一下，川普對全球課高關稅，我們現在怎麼樣因應？他給我們課10%以上……目前來講臺灣的關稅大概是3%左右，他如果課我們，大家都保護主義，那我們也課他可不可以？我們也課美國，美國進入臺灣的我們也課稅，可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：對於川普他在選舉期間所提的一些相關政見，到他就任以後，什麼時間會去落實或者落實的程度，其實我們認為這個部分還是需要觀察，以及怎麼樣的一個應對，我想我們都會做一些…… |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
賴委員士葆：可以不可以講說，如果美國真的對我們到美國去的產品課高關稅，部長聽好，我們不排除我們也對美國課高關稅，有沒有可能？這一句話可以成立嗎？我講不排除，可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：關稅基本上……因為我們是WTO的會員國，所以我們會按照我們當時在入會時候承諾的一些關稅稅率來課徵。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你的意思是美國即便課我們高關稅，我們也不敢做相對的回應，是這個意思嗎？對吧？ |
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彭署長英偉：報告委員，美國是總統依照他的行政命令所課的，比如說是國家安全法相關的法令去做的加徵關稅，它是一種加徵的概念，跟原本稅率的提高，兩個概念是不太一樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有回答我的問題，那我們的因應呢？部長，我們的因應就是沒有因應，根據WTO，就這樣而已是嗎？ |
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時間有限，我再請問你，我記得去年的時候，我問了部長，你在這裡，同一個地方，同一個問題，臺美重複課稅的問題大概今年6月可以OK，結果現在已經是11月了卻還沒OK，同樣的問題，你同樣的回答，我可不可以樂觀的預估，只要川普上臺以後，大概明年的3月可以OK？可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我想這個部分還沒有辦法做這樣的預估，為什麼？因為…… |
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賴委員士葆：你去年就承諾我啦！ |
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莊部長翠雲：去年是因為1月份的時候，眾議院已經先通過送到了參議院，但參議院後來因為包裹法案的關係，因為其中另外一個法案有一些爭議，以致於我們這個在裡面……接下來就碰到美國的大選，所以整個是停滯在參議院，至於接下來，我們也跟委員報告，10月29號美國財政部已經發表聲明，就是會跟臺灣來做臺美ADTA的討論…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們可以樂觀的預估……我的時間到了，樂觀的預估明年第一季可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我想這個時間上，我沒有辦法預估，但我們和外交部以及駐美代表處會合作一起來推動。 |
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賴委員士葆：你對自己這麼沒有信心…… |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
莊部長翠雲：這不是我們一方可以決定。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
賴委員士葆：跳票一次不敢再講了，嚇到了。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][1] |
針對央行第七波的信用管制，打炒房，會不會影響房地合一的稅收？ |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
莊部長翠雲：房地合一的稅收當然會…… |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
賴委員士葆：當然會影響啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
莊部長翠雲：那要看移轉棟數以及價格的差距。 |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
賴委員士葆：我關心的是長照基金，它的來源752億，用途879億，入不敷出，現在第七波的信用管制打下來，房地合一的稅收絕對影響，只是影響多少你不知道啊！ |
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莊部長翠雲：要看移轉交易的價額差距多大。 |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
賴委員士葆：你能不能兩個禮拜以內給我們這個報告，可以嗎？給我們財委會，說整個會影響多少，因為我關心長照基金，可以嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：是，委員提出這個題目，我們當然…… |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
賴委員士葆：兩個禮拜可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
莊部長翠雲：兩個禮拜？ |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
賴委員士葆：第七波的信用管制對房地合一稅收的影響。 |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
莊部長翠雲：是不是給我們一點時間蒐集一些資料…… |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
賴委員士葆：三個禮拜？ |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
莊部長翠雲：給我們一個月好嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
賴委員士葆：好，一個月。 |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
莊部長翠雲：好，謝謝委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：一個月內提出來這一次信用管制的影響，因為如果沒有第八波，就是最後一波了，對房地合一會有影響，但是影響到多少，影響到最後是長照基金收入。 |
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莊部長翠雲：是，我們來蒐集資料以後進行研議，謝謝。 |
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主席（賴委員惠員代）：部長，就是一個月後給賴士葆委員這一份資料，謝謝士葆委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[109][1] |
接著請郭國文委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
212 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-20-9 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
133 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-18 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310101 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310101_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國
稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬歲出預
算部分暨融資財源調度（僅詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310101_00003 |