| IVOD_ID |
156912 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156912 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-14T11:03:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-14T11:15:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/978646e8c8251f3b487727b0c685648d827f3c0965abc3d476f857e4235ff50064660bb4e4faf5645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:34 - 11:15:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「美國新任總統的貿易政策對台灣經濟與金融穩定之可能影響與對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案：
行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳庫部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行（含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠）。（僅詢答）
【11月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
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兩位金龍同列一旁希望還有加上財政部的努力可以力抗 |
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美國即將在未來這幾年內一波又一波的關稅的壓力以及經濟市場的競爭那個總裁請問現在的台灣我們外匯存底是多少金額我們大概是5700多億這10年來不斷的成長 |
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最近一兩年成長的比較少比較少一點,但趨勢是這樣上來的我很可惜的兩個事情第一個就是本席在十年前建議大量買進黃金每樣子在一千大概三百塊的時候沒有買 |
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第二個事情比較遺憾的就是我在也是同樣這個地方質詢的時候我說那總裁你可不可以參考一下買入一些虛擬貨幣、比特幣、比特幣那時候不到美金6000塊啊總裁你知道現在黃金一樣是多少 |
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黃金樣式大概是2700億左右2000多了喔,2500喔對這個成長了很多另外一個虛擬貨幣這個比特幣現在一枚比特幣多少錢是 |
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漲啦昨天8萬多啦8萬 漲破高板啦美金啦後來它就下來那有下來那當然有可能它會上去啦那為什麼現在比特幣它的交易那麼樣的熱絡然後這個趨勢是不斷的往上甚至美國的一些報導裡面他們還說有可能喔比特幣一枚會漲到大概30萬 |
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不過委員你這樣講我看的訊息呢他是說大概是15萬是一半啦不管是15萬不管是30萬那我當初講的是6千塊啊6千塊如果漲到15萬的話哇 |
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好大的一個差距耶不過我想我也藉這個機會我藉這個機會我來就是說對於委員的高見 |
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預測的能力我也非常非常的佩服真的嗎是的沒有錯我非常佩服就是我建議的其實你只要卓宇參考你不要買多嘛買個100億接下來你再買200億這個對央行來講都是 |
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總裁我更佩服你不是壓對寶啦 |
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因為在這個年初的時候那個 |
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麥克哈布比那時候就來台灣跟我一個朋友Dr. |
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King他請他來台灣有多次的交流我們那時候就請他分析一下當然因為他女兒是阿肯色州的州長過去在川普的很核心所以當然他是分析了很多當然是支持 |
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川普一定會當選所以當然都會有兩面也許賀錦麗當選事實上我們就應該要建立一個沙盤推演A當選是怎麼樣B當選是怎麼樣我們看到川普當選了以後就是他大力推動了虛擬貨幣不斷的上漲 |
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跟那個Mask一樣他手上也持有很多的虛擬貨幣所以這個影響到台灣的未來從台灣看世界我們可以發現新加坡的人均GDP這15年來這一路的成長台灣有成長但是 |
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這個差距越來越大面對未來新的挑戰本席想請教一下總裁對於這些虛擬貨幣的一些資產以及 |
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監管會我們也是金龍彭主委推動了整個亞太的一個資產管理中心至少一個目標嘛其中的這一環就是虛擬資產的處理這個你不可以去逃避的嘛那請問央行的態度是怎麼樣 |
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我覺得就是說據我了解就是說今晚會的態度他要對於虛擬貨幣開始要監管而且他有他的步驟步驟會不會太慢應該也不會啦應該也不會川普已經選上了你不要等他四年任期到了以後他要監管的意思也就是說他會注意到這一塊的一個發展 |
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當然從經理的立場來看的話要讓他發展就是說正常的發展當然是要監管所以我覺得監管會在這一方面他是踏出了一個非常正確的一步我們希望這個步伐可以跟得上國際的潮流 |
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總裁,你這樣講起來的話,就是你會站比較正面的態度,重新來思考比特幣在台灣的交易嗎?我想呢,既然他就是說是要監管它的話呢,只要就是說,第一個,它的交易呢,不要就是說是洗錢啊, |
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還有就是說洗錢的這些必須要注意還有就是說他是一個capital |
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的一個漏洞那這些如果說能夠把它監管得很好的話讓它發展我覺得也是應該是好謝謝我們要拉回來就是說美國能做我們要與時俱進美國能做我們要趕快要做他一定有他的戰略考量有他未來性的一個思考所以希望這一塊的話央行可以採取比較 |
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人民幣跟比特幣那是不能相提並論你知道美國政府啊他們國家國庫裡面有沒有比特幣 |
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沒有,應該是有,有我告訴你,它那個有是它沒收的啦,它是沒收的或是什麼的海關那些是沒收的啦,那不是說它的外匯存底去投資這個比特幣,不是我在想的那表示它財產裡面有比特幣,如果不是資產的話,它就不會列在上面 |
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因為他是資產所以他變成是美國政府的一個資產嘛我想那個是很小一部分另外啦這就 |
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想的一個問題就是現在中國大陸對美國他持有多少美國的公債他也持了不少啊幾兆據我了解3.6兆他也是在日本之後的樣子日本持有很多啊日本持有很多所以他是我現在不能很確定以前 |
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俄羅斯有沒有持有美國的公債應該有吧國債有啦好像一兆多吧我不曉得你知道那個俄烏戰爭的以後那俄羅斯對美國的這個國債的部分是不是就一筆勾銷了 |
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他的資產在國外的資產就被凍結了那美國不是專辦了嗎?你打個帳就凍結,欠的錢就不要還了那他會不會為了美國的利益考量你大陸趕快打啊,台灣趕快打啊,打完那我們的買了美國的債券那我們是不是全部又一筆勾銷了 |
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有沒有這個可能啊?為什麼?誰說不會?基於什麼的理由?那為什麼俄羅斯會?萬一會的話怎麼辦? |
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萬一會的話?你覺得不會啊?那為什麼俄羅斯會?為什麼俄羅斯會?當然不能類比啊可是這個例子就是說他已經會了啊 |
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那為什麼台灣就一定不會?不過你說美國因為委員就也知道就是說我們歐友美國的債券蠻大的啦那你說他會來凍結我們的那個歐友的那個我覺得是不可能的那總裁你認識那個川普總統嗎?當然我認識他他不認識我啦問題就是你認識他你不知道他在想什麼 |
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然後他要做什麼他明天也不會跟你講啊所以現在我們最重要的就是保持自我的彈性不要完全百分之百受制於人是不是從來對不對我們希望可以彈性多一點針對不確定性就是要彈性所以我們需要的就是 |
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臺電因為虧損要撥補到一千億那大家我問起來朝野很多委員大家都反對 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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去年央行提交國庫交了多少?我們今年是2000億去年是1850億的樣子所以央行比較會賺啊1800億的樣子我忘了那其他地方不行就拜託央行了 |
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謝謝羅明財委員接著我們請顏寬恒委員質詢顏寬恒委員質詢完畢我們休息10分鐘 |
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羅委員明才：（11時3分）主席、各位出列席官員，大家好。主席，請央行楊總裁。 |
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主席：請央行楊總裁。 |
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羅委員明才：楊總裁你好。 |
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楊總裁金龍：羅委員早。 |
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羅委員明才：今天財委會閃閃發光，兩位「金ㄌㄨㄥˊ」同列一旁，還有加上財政部的努力，希望可以力抗美國即將在未來這幾年內，一波又一波的關稅壓力以及經濟市場的競爭！ |
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請問總裁，現在臺灣的外匯存底是多少金額？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們大概是五千七百多億。 |
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羅委員明才：這十年來不斷的成長。 |
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楊總裁金龍：最近一、兩年成長的比較少。 |
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羅委員明才：比較少一點，但趨勢是這樣上來的。 |
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楊總裁金龍：當然，我們也慢慢要增加…… |
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羅委員明才：不過很可惜的兩個事情，第一個，本席在十年前建議大量買進黃金，每盎司大概在1,300塊的時候沒有買；第二個事情比較遺憾的就是，我也是同樣在這個地方質詢的時候，我說總裁可不可以參考一下，買入一些虛擬貨幣，比特幣（Bitcoin）那時候不到美金6,000塊！總裁，你知道現在黃金一盎司多少？ |
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楊總裁金龍：黃金一盎司大概是兩千七百左右。 |
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羅委員明才：兩千多、兩千五，這個成長了很多；另外一個虛擬貨幣比特幣，現在一枚比特幣多少錢，昨天？ |
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楊總裁金龍：將近八萬多。 |
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羅委員明才：昨天破9萬美金！ |
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楊總裁金龍：後來它有下來。 |
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羅委員明才：有下來，當然有可能還會再上去。 |
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楊總裁金龍：對。 |
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羅委員明才：為什麼現在比特幣的交易那麼熱絡，然後這個趨勢是不斷的往上？甚至美國的一些報導還說，有可能比特幣一枚會漲到大概30萬美金喔！ |
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楊總裁金龍：委員，我看的訊息大概是15萬。 |
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羅委員明才：15萬。 |
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楊總裁金龍：所以一半啦！ |
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羅委員明才：沒關係，不管是15萬，不管是30萬，我當初講的是6,000塊，6,000塊如果漲到15萬的話，哇，好大的一個差距！ |
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楊總裁金龍：不過我想我也藉這個機會…… |
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羅委員明才：二十幾倍耶！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我藉這個機會表達，對於委員的高見、預測能力我也非常非常的佩服。 |
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羅委員明才：真的嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：是的，沒有錯，我非常佩服！ |
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羅委員明才：佩服沒有用…… |
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楊總裁金龍：不是，不是說…… |
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羅委員明才：但是我建議的其實你只要酌予參考，你不用買多嘛，買個100億，跌下來你再買200億。 |
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楊總裁金龍：委員，我…… |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
羅委員明才：這對央行來講都是九牛一毛。 |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
楊總裁金龍：是，不過我說我對委員很佩服這是一回事…… |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
羅委員明才：沒有，不敢，我更佩服你。 |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
楊總裁金龍：中央銀行是不是要involve在這一方面又是另外一回事。 |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
羅委員明才：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
楊總裁金龍：我佩服你的意思也不是說我們就一定要這樣子做，當然我們必須要承認委員是押對寶了。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
羅委員明才：沒有、沒有，總裁，我更佩服你，不是押對寶啦！因為年初的時候Mike Huckabee來臺灣，我的一位朋友Dr. King請他來臺灣有多次的交流，我們那時候就請他就是分析一下，但因為他女兒是阿肯色州的州長，過去也是在川普的很核心，所以他分析了很多當然是支持Donald Trump，就是川普一定會當選，當然都會有兩面，也許賀錦麗當選。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][1] |
事實上，我們就應該建立一個沙盤推演，A當選是怎麼樣、B當選是怎麼樣，我們看到川普當選了以後，他大力推動了虛擬貨幣，因此不斷的上漲，跟那個Musk一樣，他手上也持有很多的虛擬貨幣，所以這個影響到臺灣的未來！從臺灣看世界，我們可以發現新加坡的人均GDP這十五年來一路成長，臺灣有成長但是這個差距越來越大。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][2] |
面對未來新的挑戰，本席想請教一下總裁，對於這些虛擬貨幣資產以及金管會──也是「金ㄌㄨㄥˊ」，彭主委推動的整個亞太資產管理中心至少有一個目標嘛，其中的這一環就是虛擬資產的處理，這個你不可以逃避，請問央行的態度是怎麼樣？ |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
楊總裁金龍：據我了解，金管會的態度是對於虛擬貨幣開始要監管，而且它有它的步驟…… |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
羅委員明才：步驟會不會太慢？ |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
楊總裁金龍：應該也不會！ |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
羅委員明才：川普已經選上了，你不要等他四年任期到了以後…… |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
楊總裁金龍：它要監管的意思也就是，它會注意到這一塊的發展。從監理的立場來看，要讓它正常發展當然要監管，所以我覺得金管會在這一方面踏出了一個非常正確的一步。 |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
羅委員明才：我們希望這個步伐可以跟得上國際的潮流。總裁，你這樣講起來的話，你會站比較正面的態度重新來思考比特幣在臺灣的交易嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
楊總裁金龍：我想既然是要監管它的話，第一個主要是它的交易不要是洗錢…… |
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羅委員明才：洗錢防制。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
楊總裁金龍：對，就是洗錢的這些必須要注意，還有它是一個capital flows的漏洞，這些如果說能夠把它監管得很好的話，讓它發展我覺得應該也是好的。 |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
羅委員明才：謝謝，我們現在拉回來，美國能做，我們要與時俱進，美國能做，我們要趕快做，他一定有他的戰略考量，有他未來性的思考，所以我希望這一塊央行可以採取比較開闊的心胸。 |
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楊總裁金龍：是，沒有錯。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
羅委員明才：比如說我請教一個，我們外匯存底裡面有沒有人民幣？ |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
楊總裁金龍：人民幣也有一部分。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
羅委員明才：你都可以有人民幣，你為什麼不可以有比特幣？ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
楊總裁金龍：人民幣跟比特幣不能相提並論。 |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
羅委員明才：總裁，你知不知道美國政府的國庫裡面有沒有比特幣？ |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
楊總裁金龍：沒有，應該沒有。 |
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羅委員明才：有！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟你說，他們有那是他沒收的，海關沒收的，那不是他的外匯存底去投資比特幣，我想應該不是。 |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
羅委員明才：那表示他財產裡面有比特幣，如果不是資產的話，它就不會列在上面，所以它變成是美國政府的一個資產嘛！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我想那個是很小一部分。 |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
羅委員明才：另外，現在中國大陸對美國，他持有多少美國的公債？ |
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楊總裁金龍：他持有的也不少。 |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
羅委員明才：幾兆？ |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
楊總裁金龍：據我了解…… |
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羅委員明才：3.6兆？ |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
楊總裁金龍：他也是在日本之後的樣子。 |
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羅委員明才：日本持有很多。 |
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楊總裁金龍：日本持有很多，我現在不能很確定啦！ |
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羅委員明才：以前俄羅斯有沒有持有美國的公債？ |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
楊總裁金龍：應該有吧！ |
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羅委員明才：國債有啦！好像一兆多吧！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我不曉得。 |
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羅委員明才：俄烏戰爭發生以後，俄羅斯對美國國債的部分是不是就一筆勾銷了？ |
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楊總裁金龍：他在國外的資產就被凍結。 |
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羅委員明才：那美國不是賺翻了嗎？你打個仗，資產就被凍結，欠的錢就不用還了啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：對啦！至於…… |
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羅委員明才：那他會不會為了美國的利益考量，要大陸趕快打、臺灣趕快打，打完後我們買的美國債券是不是又全部一筆勾銷了？ |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
楊總裁金龍：不會啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
羅委員明才：有沒有這個可能？ |
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楊總裁金龍：不會啦！ |
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羅委員明才：為什麼？誰說不會？基於什麼理由？那為什麼俄羅斯會？ |
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楊總裁金龍：這是假設性的問題，我想我們不談這個話題啦！ |
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羅委員明才：萬一會的話怎麼辦？ |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
楊總裁金龍：基本上我覺得不會啦！ |
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羅委員明才：你覺得不會啊！那為什麼俄羅斯會？ |
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楊總裁金龍：你不能說俄羅斯會，臺灣就會，那不一定啦！ |
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羅委員明才：當然不能類比，可是這個例子就是說他已經會了，那為什麼臺灣就一定不會？ |
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楊總裁金龍：委員也知道，我們握有美國的債券量蠻大的，他會來凍結我們握有的債券，我覺得是不可能啦！ |
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羅委員明才：總裁，你認識川普總統嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
楊總裁金龍：我認識他，他不認識我啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
羅委員明才：問題就是你認識他，你不知道他在想什麼。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
楊總裁金龍：我也講過…… |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
羅委員明才：然後他要做什麼，他明天也不會跟你講。 |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
楊總裁金龍：對啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
羅委員明才：所以現在我們最重要的就是保持自我的彈性，不要完全百分之百受制於人，是不是？總裁，對不對？ |
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楊總裁金龍：對啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
羅委員明才：我們希望可以彈性多一點。 |
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楊總裁金龍：是啦！是啦！彈性啦！彈性這個對，針對不確定性就是要彈性。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
羅委員明才：所以我們需要的就是多一點彈性，還有多一點自信。 |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
楊總裁金龍：是啦！沒有錯，我非常佩服。 |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
羅委員明才：不敢，我比較佩服總裁。 |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
楊總裁金龍：包括你對黃金還有比特幣。 |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
羅委員明才：對，你都沒買啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
楊總裁金龍：對，但是就中央銀行來講的話，我們是不會involve這個。 |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
羅委員明才：最後一題，這是大家很關心的，台電因為虧損，要撥補它1,000億，我問起來，朝野很多委員都反對，這個錢可能財政部這邊也找不到，可不可以拜託央行，你們比較會賺錢，1,000億就由央行撥補就好了？ |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
楊總裁金龍：我們所賺的錢都交給財政部。 |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
羅委員明才：是，去年央行提交國庫交了多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
楊總裁金龍：今年是2,000億，去年是1,850億的樣子。 |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
羅委員明才：哇！所以央行比較會賺啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
楊總裁金龍：1,800億的樣子，我忘了。 |
| gazette.blocks[110][0] |
羅委員明才：那其他地方不行就拜託央行了。 |
| gazette.blocks[111][0] |
楊總裁金龍：謝謝委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[112][0] |
主席（賴委員惠員）：謝謝羅明才委員。接著我們請顏寬恒委員質詢，顏寬恒委員質詢完畢後，我們休息10分鐘。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
256 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-20-8 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
173 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-14 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310002 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310002_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「美
國新任總統的貿易政策對台灣經濟與金融穩定之可能影響與對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢；
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案：行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳庫部分
（僅詢答）；三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行
（含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠）（僅詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310002_00003 |