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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:38 - 10:40:23 |
| 影片長度 |
525 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
(一) 本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「再生能源發展條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「再生能源發展條例第三條及第十三條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「再生能源發展條例第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「再生能源發展條例第三條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)
(第五案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查)
二、審查：
(一) 本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員賴士葆等17人擬具「個人資料保護法第四十七條、第四十八條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱志偉等22人擬具「個人資料保護法第二十一條、第二十九條及第三十二條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員賴瑞隆等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「個人資料保護法第四十七條、第四十八條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員黃捷等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員許宇甄等22人擬具「個人資料保護法第六條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)
三、審查：
(一) 本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「離島建設條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員鄭天財等22人擬具「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「離島建設條例增訂第十三條之一及第十三條之二條文草案」案。
(四) 本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「離島建設條例增訂第十八條之一條文草案」案。
(五) 本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「離島建設條例第二條及第十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員陳瑩等18人擬具「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
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主席會委員有請個人資料保護委員會準備處李主任還有經濟部次長還有國發會副主委請教個人資料保護委員會準備處李主任 |
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這個你們根據憲法法庭的憲判制第13號判決然後也修了這個個人資料保護法要明定要成立這個委員會對不對所以你們就先成立了籌備處是你們一定期程什麼時候要成立這個委員會 |
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條件委員報告就是配套的修法跟組織法明年的就是上百年的會期會送進來好那這個部分事實上如果按照憲判制第13號這個這裡面提到這個主文這是主文主文然後這個主文裡面 |
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當然你們提到你們提到說這個要擬定各自會的組織法對不對 是如果我們按照這個憲判制第13號的話其實他沒有說一定要成立機關他只有說國家亦有亦有以法律積極建制適當之組織 |
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條例第十一條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查： |
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條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案、第九條及第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第九條及第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條條文修正草案、第十三條文修正草案 |
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條例第十一條、第十二條及第十三條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、 |
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條例第七條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、� |
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你們要做一個很詳細的分析因為這個我們經濟部常務次長你是常務事務官出身的對不對副主委你是事務官還是政務官不管是政務還是常務我們要就這幾年 |
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條例第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查� |
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條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案。」案。 |
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台灣沒有生產能源需仰賴進口。如果要防止地球暖化趨勢以及確保台灣的能源安全,更應該考慮的是能源成本。不應讓民眾無法負擔,如果不放棄核二、核三廠,可以相對降低通膨。」這個跟經濟的發展都有關係。 |
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條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、 |
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你對這樣的一個有什麼看法?針對那個黃董事長這個他的意見我們當然是尊重啦因為每個人都有發表意見的那個但是如果是針對目前的一個核能電廠要嚴厲或是說再持續下去我們基本上還是要在一個是安全再來何非要可以處理要全民公司的條件下那至於對這些新核能的這樣的一個意見我們現在整個 |
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政府是對新核能的技術是持一個開放態度是可以來討論的。好,這樣,因為時間也不多了。我們看一下,核四,核四花了多少錢?應該是3800多億。 |
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條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、 |
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四千多億那個也是三千多億加上力能啊再生能源啊經濟部你們花了多少錢再生能源還沒有算你們要算你回去算再答覆給我你們去算到底補助了多少編列了多少錢 |
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條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、 |
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條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時31分）主席、各位委員。有請個人資料保護委員會籌備處李主任。 |
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主席：請李主任。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有經濟部次長、國發會副主委。 |
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主席：請連次長還有彭副主委。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：先請教個人資料保護委員會籌備處李主任。 |
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李主任世德：委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你們根據憲法法庭憲判字第13號判決，也修了個人資料保護法，明定要成立這個委員會，對不對？ |
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李主任世德：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以你們就先成立了籌備處。 |
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李主任世德：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你們議定的期程，什麼時候要成立這個委員會？ |
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李主任世德：跟委員報告，配套的修法和組織法，明年上半年的會期會送進來。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：事實上如果按照憲判字第13號、這個主文裡面，你們提到要擬訂個資會組織法，對不對？ |
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李主任世德：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：如果按照憲判字第13號，其實它沒有說一定要成立機關，只有說「國家亦有義務以法律積極建置適當之組織」，是「組織」，結果你們現在要成立委員會，數發部已經是一個部了。因為這涉及到中央行政機關組織基準法，對於委員會有明定是多少個，對不對？這個部分，當然，沒辦法，個資法也已經發布了。那就請回座。 |
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我們看經濟部的報告，「再生能源發展條例」你們也要修正。 |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：已經在10月23日預告，包含四大重點，這些重點都是你的報告所提出來的。當然這個有它修正的必要性，怎麼樣就施行了這段時間之後，尤其是這幾年發生一些事件之後，怎麼樣落實、真正達到節能減碳，相關資源的投入怎麼樣能夠減少，應該要朝這個方向努力。我特別提到這個，國發會副主委和經濟部次長回去後分別跟你們的首長，也就是主委和部長，尤其是企業界來的，你們要做一個很詳細的分析。因為經濟部常務次長，你是事務官出身的，對不對？而副主委，你是事務官還是政務官？ |
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彭副主任委員立沛：政務官。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不管是政務還是常務，我們要就這幾年的執行讓首長，尤其是來自企業界的首長能夠做更宏觀的分析。因為最起碼無論是國發會的主委或是經濟部的部長，一上任的時候都很支持核能，現在卻倒退了！這個就是怎麼樣去做詳細的資料提供。 |
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童子賢昨天又說了！我們先談他之前說的：臺灣沒有生產能源，需仰賴進口，如果要防止地球暖化趨勢以及確保臺灣的能源安全，更應該考慮的是能源成本，不應讓民眾無法負擔；如果不放棄核二、核三廠，可以相對降低通膨。這跟經濟的發展，包括減碳的大方向，尤其是電都有關係。他還說「最重要的是核能不排碳，符合減緩地球暖化的趨勢」，又說「雖然綠電也不排碳，但發電成本高」。我先請教經濟部連次長，你對這樣的說法有什麼樣的看法？ |
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連次長錦漳：針對童董事長的意見，我們當然是尊重，因為每一個人都可以發表意見。但如果是針對目前核能電廠要延役或者是持續下去，我們基本上還是需要第一個是安全，再來是核廢料可以處理，以及全民共識這三個條件。至於對這些新核能的意見，現在整個政府是對新核能的技術持開放態度，是可以來討論的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，因為時間不多，我們看一下，核四花了多少錢？ |
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連次長錦漳：應該是三千八百多億。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：非常多啦！興建的經費加上從興建完成、封存以後還要繼續維護，對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：嗯。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：每年都在花錢；總共幾千億了！ |
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因為電力不足，還有電費的問題，政府已經補助台電四千多億了。這裡四千多億，核四的部分三千多億，加上綠能、再生能源，經濟部在再生能源的部分花了多少錢？還沒有算？沒關係，你回去算了再答復我。 |
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你們去算到底補助了多少、編列了多少錢？然後…… |
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連次長錦漳：跟委員報告…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：然後台電還要購電喔！ |
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連次長錦漳：台電這1,000億是彌補那個…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個我知道、這個我知道！ |
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連次長錦漳：因為我們最近幾次調整電價，民間的都…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個我知道！我剛剛說再生能源的部分你們編列了很多預算嘛！如果按照當時國發會主委龔明鑫所講的，臺灣淨零排放路徑的預算是8年9,000億。所以這個部分必須去思考到底應該要怎麼樣，要提供給你們的主委、給你們的部長做一個非常審慎的考量，好不好？好，謝謝。 |
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連次長錦漳：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：OK，謝謝鄭天財委員。我們等一下在邱志偉委員發言之後休息5分鐘。 |
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現在是陳玉珍委員跟陳超明委員調換發言順序嗎？OK，我們接下來請陳玉珍委員。 |
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委員會-11-2-19-13 |
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呂玉玲 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳玉珍 |
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許宇甄 |
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徐巧芯 |
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陳亭妃 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
邱志偉 |
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陳超明 |
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黃國昌 |
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黃健豪 |
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陳昭姿 |
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吳宗憲 |
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蔡易餘 |
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邱議瑩 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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麥玉珍 |
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林岱樺 |
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張嘉郡 |
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2024-11-14 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、審查：(一)本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文
修正草案」案、(二)本院委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「再生能源發展條例第三條條文修正草案」案、
(三)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「再生能源發展條例第三條及第十三條條文修正草案」案、(四)本
院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「再生能源發展條例第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案、(五)
本院委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「再生能源發展條例第三條條文修正草案」案（詢答）；二、審查：
(一)本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員賴士葆
等17人擬具「個人資料保護法第四十七條、第四十八條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(三)本
院委員邱志偉等 22 人擬具「個人資料保護法第二十一條、第二十九條及第三十二條條文修正草
案」案、(四)本院委員賴瑞隆等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(五)本院台
灣民眾黨黨團擬具「個人資料保護法第四十七條、第四十八條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、
(六)本院委員黃捷等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員許宇甄等
22人擬具「個人資料保護法第六條條文修正草案」案（詢答）；三、審查：(一)本院委員陳亭妃
等16人擬具「離島建設條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員鄭天財等22人擬具「離
島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「離島建設條例增訂第
十三條之一及第十三條之二條文草案」案、(四)本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「離島建設條例增訂
第十八條之一條文草案」案、(五)本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「離島建設條例第二條及第十五條
之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員陳瑩等18人擬具「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」
案（詢答） |
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2024-11-14 |
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11 |
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2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-14T10:31:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-14T10:40:23+08:00 |
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ai-transcript |
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