| IVOD_ID |
156845 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156845 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-13T11:54:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-13T12:06:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cf2bdefc150f66783235945cd6c91cbe75ab657293b96e21a9224958d423892c4a16c5dc7554018e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:48 - 12:06:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部主管部分。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會等8家財團法人114年度預算書案。五、審查內政部函送國家住宅及都市更新中心114年度預算書案。【所列預算案僅詢答，另訂時間處理】六、審查「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例」修正草案，計九案：(一)審查行政院函請審議「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員黃捷等18人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員吳沛憶等24人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(六)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(七)審查委員張雅琳等25人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(八)審查委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。(九)審查委員李坤城等19人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案。【第(六)案至第(八)案如經復議則不予審查，第(九)案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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謝謝主席本席請劉部長請部長部長好今天本席雖然沒有都一直聆聽前面委員的質詢但是我這個不時的就聽到大家非常關心打詐毒品危害台灣的問題 |
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本席在這邊首先要對我們這個打詐的各個單位特別是我們警察特別表示對警察的辛苦給予12萬分的敬意但是我們從很多的新聞我們也看到譬如說我們看到警察所以我們對所有的警察我們是肯定的 |
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但是我們不時的看到一些個案看到一些個案警察洩民眾的個資給詐騙集團部長您知道有這類的事情嗎? |
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二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。七、審查內政部主管部分。八、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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包括之前有很多包括我們刑警大隊長洩密給博弈集團我相信您一定知道這個那麼大另外還有涉嫌吞張款甚至喝花酒包庇地下會隊等等 |
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這麼多的這些案件出來其實民眾很擔心甚至有人也質詢毒品的問題我們的警察紀律就是說很多很辛苦的警察本需要在這邊再三強調我們是最支持警察而且非常肯定我們警察的辛勞那但是我不知道我們現在整個警政系統我們的督察室我們的督察系統整個失靈了嗎為什麼一直層出不窮 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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第一個我想這樣的個案繼續層出不窮的話第一個我們在警政的紀律上面要加強之外目前有怎麼做因為這已經一直發生了剛您所說的部分第一個個資外洩是一個最重要的部分那個資外洩大概在限制於說這個警員他自己能不能透過他自己的公權力去查看不是屬於他職權範圍內的個資沒錯這一個現在已經開始有落實了嗎我就問有或沒有開始了嗎 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分 |
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不斷的跟外面的包括很多的蟑螂跟詐騙集團跟所有危害民眾生命財產安全的這些壞人勾結。這個情況怎麼辦?層出不窮啊。我敢說全國的立委一定都接話過。如果說有這些狀況我們是絕對是支持緊急請辦。我們一定會嚴格判到底。 |
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有關失聯移工的事情您知不知道? |
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四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分 |
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四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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四、審查內政部主管部分 |
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四、審查內政部主管部分二二八事件紀念基金會等8家財團法人1 |
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二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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二、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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現在問題我們最主要就是你這個失聯移工的部分你沒有辦法解決啊你現在失聯移工那麼多你怎麼解決那最後你講怎麼解決失聯移工的其實現在這個失聯的這個狀況已經稍微的趨緩了我跟委員報告今年的1月到9月新增失聯的移工是18000多名跟去年同期來比較去年是24000多名 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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後來我們所有委員我們也覺得其實還跟其他有關但是就是太慢了跨部會的整合太慢部長你也可以跟行政院講嗎 |
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對不對?你身為內政部長你總是要跟行政說可不可以來幫忙跨部會整合?謝謝委員的關心。還有我們去查紀律。跨部會的大問題,那我們會從法律上應該做的部分來處理。但是移民事務實在委託。沒有啦,好好的做就不會變成大問題。就是因為我們都是一直姑息養奸還有沒有作為。 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。 |
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三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
660.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
660.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
676.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
678.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
696.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
699.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2024-11-13T11:54:52.810000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.230000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，本席請劉部長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.230000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2024-11-13T11:54:54.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
召委好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-11-13T11:54:53.410000+08:00 |
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2024-11-13T11:55:30.294000+08:00 |
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今天本席雖然沒有一直聆聽前面委員的質詢，但是我不時地聽到大家非常關心打詐及毒品危害臺灣的問題，本席在這邊首先要對打詐的各個單位，特別是警察，特別表示對警察的辛苦給予十二萬分的敬意。 |
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0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-11-13T11:55:38.736000+08:00 |
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2024-11-13T11:55:50.153000+08:00 |
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雖然我們對所有的警察是肯定的，但是我們不時地看到一些個案，譬如警察洩民眾的個資給詐騙集團。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-11-13T11:55:50.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-11-13T11:55:51.936000+08:00 |
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部長，您知道有這類的事情嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-11-13T11:55:51.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-11-13T11:56:02.897857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
有，而且我們馬上迅速做行政處分，也移送偵辦。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-11-13T11:56:02.897857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-11-13T11:56:13.859714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
所以你們都是做事後，事後馬上做，但為什麼一直層出不窮？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-11-13T11:56:13.859714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-11-13T11:56:24.821571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
有沒有找到其中的原因？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-11-13T11:56:24.821571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-11-13T11:56:35.783429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我沒有說要回答，等一下您可以一併來回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-11-13T11:56:35.783429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-11-13T11:56:46.745286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
我們看到警察洩個資給詐騙集團，除了三重有一位李姓警員替詐騙集團查個資，臺北市中山分局建國派出所也有一位駱姓警員，他和律師，甚至和新北市的里長所組成的犯罪集團勾結，來查一些獨居老人的個資，然後得到一些不法利益。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.031 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-11-13T11:56:46.745286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-11-13T11:56:57.707143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
再來，我們看到過去已經被起訴的，警察除了用職權勾結詐騙集團之外，還有警察利用職權查詢正妹個資的案例，您知道有這回事嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.018 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-11-13T11:56:57.707143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-11-13T11:57:08.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
也都知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-11-13T11:57:08.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-11-13T11:57:18.454000+08:00 |
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好，包括之前有刑警大隊長洩密給博弈集團，我相信您一定知道，這個事件那麼大。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-11-13T11:57:19.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-11-13T11:57:53.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
另外，還有涉嫌吞贓款，甚至喝花酒、包庇地下匯兌等等，這麼多的案件出來，其實民眾很擔心，甚至有人也質詢毒品的問題，對於警察紀律，就是說很多很辛苦的警察，本席要在這邊再三強調，我們是最支持警察而且非常肯定警察的辛勞，但是我不知道現在整個警政系統的督察室、督察系統整個失靈了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-11-13T11:57:53.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-11-13T11:57:54.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
為什麼一直層出不窮？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-11-13T11:57:54.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:07.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那這樣受害的就是民眾，其實應該執法甚至保護民眾的，結果卻跟壞人勾結，這個情況部長怎麼看待？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.024 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:07.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:13.997000+08:00 |
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是，我想這樣的個案繼續層出不窮的話，第一個，我們在警政的紀律上面要加強之外，恐怕也是剛…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:14.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:15.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
沒有，目前有怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:16.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:17.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
因為這已經一直發生了。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:17.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:31.184000+08:00 |
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是，剛剛您所說的部分，第一個，個資外洩是最重要的部分，那個資外洩大概在於限制警員能不能透過他自己的公權力去查看，不屬於他職權範圍內的個資…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:31.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:34.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
沒錯，這一個現在已經開始落實了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:34.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:35.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
對，我們現在在落實。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:34.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:36.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我就問有或沒有，開始了沒？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:36.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:37.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
有，我們目前是主動在稽核，主動稽核就是說大量的稽核…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:37.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:38.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
OK，主動稽核。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:38.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-11-13T11:58:39.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
不管是在督察、政風、資訊，都是在稽核大量的資料，包括這一個員警有沒有異常的狀況。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.027 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-11-13T11:58:37.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:07.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
這一塊是一部分，更大一部分是不斷地跟外面的，包括很多的蟑螂跟詐騙集團，跟所有危害民眾生命財產安全的這些壞人勾結，這個情況怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.797 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:07.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:09.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
層出不窮啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:09.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:12.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我敢說全國的立委一定都接獲過。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:12.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:17.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
報告委員，如果有這些狀況，我們絕對是支持警紀警辦，我們一定會嚴格辦到底，如果有這個狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:17.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:18.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
不是，你這個還是事後補救嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:18.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:19.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
但是你一直發生，所以是不是可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
張署長榮興 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:19.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:20.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
所以我們是…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:20.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:21.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
因為今天時間有限，希望你們會後可以給我們積極的防弊作為，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:18.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:20.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我接著還要特別就教部長，有關失聯移工的事情，您知不知道？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:20.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:26.311405+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
失聯移工非常的多，現在又說要引進印度1,000名移工，失聯移工這個問題非常大。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:26.311405+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:32.281810+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
部長，我要請教你，有一個很重要的情況就是失聯移工來自首，結果警察或是專勤隊竟然把他放走，你知不知道有這種情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:32.281810+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:38.252214+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我想不是放走。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:38.252214+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:44.222619+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
一邊遭退貨，一邊危及治安。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:44.222619+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:50.193024+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
不是，失聯移工來自首的時候，按照相關的規定，只能留置…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:50.193024+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-11-13T11:59:56.163429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
對，他要罰錢。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-11-13T11:59:56.163429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:02.133833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
只能留置一段短暫的時間，而不是說永遠收留他，不是這個樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:02.133833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:08.104238+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我是不是請署長來回應這個問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:08.104238+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:14.074643+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
沒有、沒有，等一下，失聯移工他來了以後，你說只能給他收留一段時間，那你怎麼會繼續讓他失聯呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:14.074643+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:20.045048+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
你找到失聯移工，應該要讓他到他的地方…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:20.045048+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:26.015452+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
跟委員報告，媒體報導應該是有一點出入啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:26.015452+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:31.985857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我不是看媒體報導。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:31.985857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:37.956262+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
失聯移工有的他…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:37.956262+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:43.926667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
他如果沒有錢怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:43.926667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:49.897071+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
你要就事論事，不要浪費我的時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:49.897071+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-11-13T12:00:55.867476+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
是，他可以事前…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-11-13T12:00:55.867476+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:01.837881+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
他沒有錢，這時候你們會怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:01.837881+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:07.808286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
失聯移工。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:07.808286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:13.778690+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
要催繳，我們還是依照規定要跟他催繳。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:13.778690+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:19.749095+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
你催繳，OK，署長，是你沒有搞清楚第一線的情況，失聯移工沒有錢，他就說那你繼續去當失聯移工。沒有！沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:19.749095+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:25.719500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我們不能夠這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:25.719500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:31.689905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你們就是這樣子，包括……沒有！沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:31.689905+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:37.660310+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以你要去瞭解。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:37.660310+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:43.630714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
然後再來，這是自首的哦！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:43.630714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:49.601119+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這是自首的，另外是被你們抓到的，被你們抓到了他沒有錢，你們會去找安定基金，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:49.601119+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-11-13T12:01:55.571524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
就業安定基金嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-11-13T12:01:55.571524+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:01.541929+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
就業安定基金等於是人民的納稅錢，然後我們去繳失聯移工該罰的錢，你們也覺得這樣不合理，所以你們又去找雇主，找雇主這件事就有問題，雇主很無辜啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:01.541929+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:07.512333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我現在問部長，失聯移工好好地來這邊工作，為什麼他要失聯？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:07.512333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:13.482738+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
部長，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:13.482738+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:19.453143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
署長，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:19.453143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:25.423548+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
移工失聯，其實原因真的是很多。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:25.423548+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:31.393952+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
有很多因素，你講兩個重要的因素。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:31.393952+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:37.364357+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
你說什麼？很多？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:37.364357+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:43.334762+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
當然有很多不同的原因。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:43.334762+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:49.305167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
所以你怎麼可以讓他很多呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:49.305167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-11-13T12:02:55.275571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
移工來…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-11-13T12:02:55.275571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:01.245976+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
不是，我是說移工失聯的原因，造成的原因很多。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:01.245976+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:07.216381+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
原因很多，最大宗、前幾個，那你講有哪些原因？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:07.216381+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:13.186786+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
可能他原來的仲介費就是高嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:13.186786+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:19.157190+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
或者是他對勞動條件，或者是勞資的對待…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:19.157190+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:25.127595+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
好，你說到最重要的一點，本席要說，就是有很多非法仲介不斷地引誘他成為失聯移工，這一塊內政部移民署沒有作為，這第一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.058 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:25.127595+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:31.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
有，對於非法仲介，我們也列為查處的重點。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.059 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:31.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:31.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
但是現在問題就很大嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:31.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:32.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
這第一個。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:32.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:33.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
第二個，還有他個人的因素。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:33.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:34.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
然後主管機關，仲介是勞動部嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:34.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:35.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
也不是我們。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:35.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:36.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
沒關係，但是這個環環相扣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:36.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:37.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
是，我們也跟他們一起協調。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:37.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:38.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
第二個，當然還有他個人的因素，他可能去戀愛或幹嘛，就跑走了。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:38.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
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2024-11-13T12:03:39.498000+08:00 |
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有關失聯移工的部分，在就業服務法第六十條第一項第二款，遣送事由歸責於雇主，就是就業安定基金找雇主拿，其實…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.146 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:39.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:40.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
那個是非法的雇主，不是合法的雇主。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:40.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:41.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
那你要寫清楚，因為這個部分太重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:41.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:42.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
就服法也是勞動部主管的。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:36.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:37.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
好，現在最主要的問題就是失聯移工你沒有辦法解決啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.348 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:38.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:40.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
現在失聯移工那麼多，你怎麼解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:41.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:42.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
好，最後你講，怎麼解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:43.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:57.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我跟委員報告，其實現在失聯的狀況已經稍微趨緩了，今年1月到9月新增失聯移工是一萬八千多名，與去年同期來比較，去年是兩萬四千多名。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:57.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:58.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
等一下，是新增的總計，還是純粹新增？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:58.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-11-13T12:03:59.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
就是純粹新增的。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:59.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:00.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
你想想看，一年純粹新增一萬多，這很可怕。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:00.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:01.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
所以我們也是查很多，我跟委員報告，我們一年平均都查超過……不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.037 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:01.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:02.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
好，你一邊查，你有沒有一邊防弊嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:02.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:03.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
是，所以防弊的部分就是要加強源頭的管理。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:03.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:04.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
還有，現在中央政府最大的問題就是，沒錯！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:04.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:05.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
這是勞動部的法條，但是與你們的權責相關，難道都不能跨部會…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
鐘署長景琨 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:05.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:06.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
有，跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-11-13T12:03:59.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:42.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
想辦法把問題解決，包括打詐，打詐本來都一直仰賴警政署、內政部，後來所有委員也覺得還跟其他有關，但是就是太慢了，跨部會的整合太慢。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:43.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:44.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
部長，你也可以跟行政院講嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:46.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:47.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:47.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:51.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
你身為內政部長，你總是要跟行政院說，可不可以來幫忙跨部會整合…… |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:51.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:52.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
謝謝委員的關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:53.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:54.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
失聯移工，還有警察紀律。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:54.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:58.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
它確實是跨部會的大問題，我們會從法律上應該做的部分來處理，但是移民署確實是在尾端。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:58.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2024-11-13T12:04:58.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2024-11-13T12:04:58.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:05.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
好好地做就不會變成大問題，就是因為我們一直姑息養奸，還有沒有作為…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:05.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:07.666286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
還有黑工市場。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:07.966286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:14.823429+08:00 |
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才會一直把問題變大，非法移工、失聯移工這個問題太大了。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:15.123429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:26.837714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
街頭巷尾很多人很怕這些失聯移工造成的問題，所以部長還有署長，請你們一定要提出對策，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:27.137714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:28.137714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:28.437714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:40.723429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
是，我們會來檢討改進，但是我還是強調，這是跨部會的問題，不是只有移民署單獨可以承諾解決失聯移工。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:41.023429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:43.880571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
對，因為你們是第一線嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:44.180571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:46.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
第一線總是要想辦法。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:47.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:49.909143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
我們是最尾端跟最下游。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:50.209143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2024-11-13T12:05:56.209143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
不要這樣踢來踢去，現在民進黨執政就是踢來踢去。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.048 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2024-11-13T12:05:56.509143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:05.366286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
報告委員，我們沒有踢，所以我們會把問題點出來，然後跨部會應該怎麼處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.032 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:05.666286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:08.237714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
我剛剛有跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:08.537714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:15.966286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
不是只點出來，要有想要解決問題的這種作為跟態度才可以。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:16.266286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:23.123429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
每一個單位都說我只是其中一部分，那現在執政很簡單啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.083 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:23.423429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:24.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
都沒關係啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:25.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:30.866286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
就放給它爛，絕對不可以這樣，臺灣現在太可怕了！ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:31.166286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:39.166286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
沒有，委員擴大解釋了，我想不是這樣子，我們依法行政跟依規定處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:39.466286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:50.323429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
現況就是如此，包含詐騙，今天這麼多人講，臺灣怎麼會在民進黨執政之下變成詐騙者的天堂？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:50.623429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2024-11-13T12:06:57.194857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
我們還是對賴清德總統、政府有期待，希望可以改變，扭轉…… |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2024-11-13T12:06:57.494857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2024-11-13T12:07:07.494857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
所以我們非常謝謝打詐四法可以通過，讓我們有好的利器可以處理打詐的問題。是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.029 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
徐委員欣瑩 |
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已經通過了，所以好好地做吧！ |
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主席 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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林俊憲、林俊憲、林俊憲委員不在。 |
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請羅智強委員。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：（11時54分）謝謝主席，本席請劉部長。 |
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主席：請部長。 |
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劉部長世芳：召委好。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：部長好。今天本席雖然沒有一直聆聽前面委員的質詢，但是我不時地聽到大家非常關心打詐及毒品危害臺灣的問題，本席在這邊首先要對打詐的各個單位，特別是警察，特別表示對警察的辛苦給予十二萬分的敬意。雖然我們對所有的警察是肯定的，但是我們不時地看到一些個案，譬如警察洩民眾的個資給詐騙集團。部長，您知道有這類的事情嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳：有，而且我們馬上迅速做行政處分，也移送偵辦。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：所以你們都是做事後，事後馬上做，但為什麼一直層出不窮？有沒有找到其中的原因？我沒有說要回答，等一下您可以一併來回答。我們看到警察洩個資給詐騙集團，除了三重有一位李姓警員替詐騙集團查個資，臺北市中山分局建國派出所也有一位駱姓警員，他和律師，甚至和新北市的里長所組成的犯罪集團勾結，來查一些獨居老人的個資，然後得到一些不法利益。 |
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再來，我們看到過去已經被起訴的，警察除了用職權勾結詐騙集團之外，還有警察利用職權查詢正妹個資的案例，您知道有這回事嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳：有。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：也都知道。好，包括之前有刑警大隊長洩密給博弈集團，我相信您一定知道，這個事件那麼大。 |
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劉部長世芳：對。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：另外，還有涉嫌吞贓款，甚至喝花酒、包庇地下匯兌等等，這麼多的案件出來，其實民眾很擔心，甚至有人也質詢毒品的問題，對於警察紀律，就是說很多很辛苦的警察，本席要在這邊再三強調，我們是最支持警察而且非常肯定警察的辛勞，但是我不知道現在整個警政系統的督察室、督察系統整個失靈了嗎？為什麼一直層出不窮？那這樣受害的就是民眾，其實應該執法甚至保護民眾的，結果卻跟壞人勾結，這個情況部長怎麼看待？ |
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劉部長世芳：是，我想這樣的個案繼續層出不窮的話，第一個，我們在警政的紀律上面要加強之外，恐怕也是剛…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：沒有，目前有怎麼做？因為這已經一直發生了。 |
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劉部長世芳：是，剛剛您所說的部分，第一個，個資外洩是最重要的部分，那個資外洩大概在於限制警員能不能透過他自己的公權力去查看，不屬於他職權範圍內的個資…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：沒錯，這一個現在已經開始落實了嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳：對，我們現在在落實。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：我就問有或沒有，開始了沒？ |
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張署長榮興：有，我們目前是主動在稽核，主動稽核就是說大量的稽核…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：OK，主動稽核。 |
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張署長榮興：不管是在督察、政風、資訊，都是在稽核大量的資料，包括這一個員警有沒有異常的狀況。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：好啦！這一塊是一部分，更大一部分是不斷地跟外面的，包括很多的蟑螂跟詐騙集團，跟所有危害民眾生命財產安全的這些壞人勾結，這個情況怎麼辦？層出不窮啊！我敢說全國的立委一定都接獲過。 |
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張署長榮興：報告委員，如果有這些狀況，我們絕對是支持警紀警辦，我們一定會嚴格辦到底，如果有這個狀況。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：不是，你這個還是事後補救嘛！但是你一直發生，所以是不是可以…… |
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張署長榮興：所以我們是…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：因為今天時間有限，希望你們會後可以給我們積極的防弊作為，好不好？我接著還要特別就教部長，有關失聯移工的事情，您知不知道？ |
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劉部長世芳：是。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：失聯移工非常的多，現在又說要引進印度1,000名移工，失聯移工這個問題非常大。部長，我要請教你，有一個很重要的情況就是失聯移工來自首，結果警察或是專勤隊竟然把他放走，你知不知道有這種情況？ |
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劉部長世芳：我想不是放走。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：一邊遭退貨，一邊危及治安。 |
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劉部長世芳：不是，失聯移工來自首的時候，按照相關的規定，只能留置…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：對，他要罰錢。 |
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劉部長世芳：只能留置一段短暫的時間，而不是說永遠收留他，不是這個樣子。我是不是請署長來回應這個問題？ |
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徐委員欣瑩：沒有、沒有，等一下，失聯移工他來了以後，你說只能給他收留一段時間，那你怎麼會繼續讓他失聯呢？你找到失聯移工，應該要讓他到他的地方…… |
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鐘署長景琨：跟委員報告，媒體報導應該是有一點出入啦！ |
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徐委員欣瑩：我不是看媒體報導。 |
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鐘署長景琨：失聯移工有的他…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：他如果沒有錢怎麼辦？你要就事論事，不要浪費我的時間。 |
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鐘署長景琨：是，他可以事前…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：他沒有錢，這時候你們會怎麼處理？失聯移工。 |
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鐘署長景琨：要催繳，我們還是依照規定要跟他催繳。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：你催繳，OK，署長，是你沒有搞清楚第一線的情況，失聯移工沒有錢，他就說那你繼續去當失聯移工。 |
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鐘署長景琨：沒有！沒有！我們不能夠這樣子。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：你們就是這樣子，包括…… |
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鐘署長景琨：沒有！沒有！ |
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徐委員欣瑩：所以你要去瞭解。 |
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鐘署長景琨：是。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：然後再來，這是自首的哦！這是自首的，另外是被你們抓到的，被你們抓到了他沒有錢，你們會去找安定基金，對不對？ |
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鐘署長景琨：是。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：就業安定基金嘛！ |
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鐘署長景琨：是。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：就業安定基金等於是人民的納稅錢，然後我們去繳失聯移工該罰的錢，你們也覺得這樣不合理，所以你們又去找雇主，找雇主這件事就有問題，雇主很無辜啊！我現在問部長，失聯移工好好地來這邊工作，為什麼他要失聯？部長，你知道嗎？署長，你知道嗎？ |
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鐘署長景琨：移工失聯，其實原因真的是很多。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：有很多因素，你講兩個重要的因素。你說什麼？很多？ |
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鐘署長景琨：當然有很多不同的原因。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：所以你怎麼可以讓他很多呢？移工來…… |
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鐘署長景琨：不是，我是說移工失聯的原因，造成的原因很多。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：原因很多，最大宗、前幾個，那你講有哪些原因？ |
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鐘署長景琨：可能他原來的仲介費就是高嘛！或者是他對勞動條件，或者是勞資的對待…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：好，你說到最重要的一點，本席要說，就是有很多非法仲介不斷地引誘他成為失聯移工，這一塊內政部移民署沒有作為，這第一點。 |
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鐘署長景琨：有，對於非法仲介，我們也列為查處的重點。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：但是現在問題就很大嘛！這第一個。第二個，還有他個人的因素。 |
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鐘署長景琨：然後主管機關，仲介是勞動部嘛！也不是我們。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：好啦！沒關係，但是這個環環相扣嘛！ |
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鐘署長景琨：是，我們也跟他們一起協調。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：第二個，當然還有他個人的因素，他可能去戀愛或幹嘛，就跑走了。有關失聯移工的部分，在就業服務法第六十條第一項第二款，遣送事由歸責於雇主，就是就業安定基金找雇主拿，其實…… |
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鐘署長景琨：那個是非法的雇主，不是合法的雇主。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：那你要寫清楚，因為這個部分太重要。 |
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鐘署長景琨：就服法也是勞動部主管的。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：好，現在最主要的問題就是失聯移工你沒有辦法解決啊！現在失聯移工那麼多，你怎麼解決？好，最後你講，怎麼解決？ |
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鐘署長景琨：我跟委員報告，其實現在失聯的狀況已經稍微趨緩了，今年1月到9月新增失聯移工是一萬八千多名，與去年同期來比較，去年是兩萬四千多名。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：等一下，是新增的總計，還是純粹新增？ |
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鐘署長景琨：就是純粹新增的。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：你想想看，一年純粹新增一萬多，這很可怕。 |
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鐘署長景琨：所以我們也是查很多，我跟委員報告，我們一年平均都查超過…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：不是！好，你一邊查，你有沒有一邊防弊嘛？ |
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鐘署長景琨：是，所以防弊的部分就是要加強源頭的管理。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：還有，現在中央政府最大的問題就是，沒錯！這是勞動部的法條，但是與你們的權責相關，難道都不能跨部會…… |
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鐘署長景琨：有，跟委員報告…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：想辦法把問題解決，包括打詐，打詐本來都一直仰賴警政署、內政部，後來所有委員也覺得還跟其他有關，但是就是太慢了，跨部會的整合太慢。部長，你也可以跟行政院講嘛！對不對？你身為內政部長，你總是要跟行政院說，可不可以來幫忙跨部會整合…… |
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劉部長世芳：謝謝委員的關心。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：失聯移工，還有警察紀律。 |
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劉部長世芳：它確實是跨部會的大問題，我們會從法律上應該做的部分來處理，但是移民署確實是在尾端。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：沒有啦！好好地做就不會變成大問題，就是因為我們一直姑息養奸，還有沒有作為…… |
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劉部長世芳：還有黑工市場。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：才會一直把問題變大，非法移工、失聯移工這個問題太大了。街頭巷尾很多人很怕這些失聯移工造成的問題，所以部長還有署長，請你們一定要提出對策，可以嗎？可以嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳：是，我們會來檢討改進，但是我還是強調，這是跨部會的問題，不是只有移民署單獨可以承諾解決失聯移工。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：對，因為你們是第一線嘛！第一線總是要想辦法。 |
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劉部長世芳：我們是最尾端跟最下游。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：不要這樣踢來踢去，現在民進黨執政就是踢來踢去。 |
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劉部長世芳：報告委員，我們沒有踢，所以我們會把問題點出來，然後跨部會應該怎麼處理。我剛剛有跟委員報告…… |
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徐委員欣瑩：不是只點出來，要有想要解決問題的這種作為跟態度才可以。 |
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劉部長世芳：是。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：每一個單位都說我只是其中一部分，那現在執政很簡單啊！都沒關係啊！就放給它爛，絕對不可以這樣，臺灣現在太可怕了！ |
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劉部長世芳：沒有，委員擴大解釋了，我想不是這樣子，我們依法行政跟依規定處理。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：現況就是如此，包含詐騙，今天這麼多人講，臺灣怎麼會在民進黨執政之下變成詐騙者的天堂？我們還是對賴清德總統、政府有期待，希望可以改變，扭轉…… |
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劉部長世芳：所以我們非常謝謝打詐四法可以通過，讓我們有好的利器可以處理打詐的問題。 |
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徐委員欣瑩：是啊！已經通過了，所以好好地做吧！ |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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林俊憲、林俊憲、林俊憲委員不在。 |
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請羅智強委員。 |
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委員會-11-2-15-9 |
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張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
李柏毅 |
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張智倫 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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麥玉珍 |
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牛煦庭 |
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王美惠 |
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高金素梅 |
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黃建賓 |
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吳琪銘 |
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丁學忠 |
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許宇甄 |
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林德福 |
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黃健豪 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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羅智強 |
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洪孟楷 |
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張雅琳 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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陳培瑜 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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吳宗憲 |
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79 |
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2024-11-13 |
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1139701 |
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1139701_00004 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中央政府總預算
案關於內政部主管部分；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算內政部主管部分；
四、審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會等8家財團法人114年度預算書案；五、審查
內政部函送國家住宅及都市更新中心114年度預算書案【所列預算案僅詢答，另訂時間處理】；
六、審查「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例」修正草案，計八案：(一)審查行政
院函請審議「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(二)審查
委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」
案、(三)審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文
修正草案」案、(四)審查委員黃捷等18人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例
部分條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員吳沛憶等24人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權
利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「威權統治時期國家不法行
為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(七)審查委員張雅琳等25人擬具「威權統治時期
國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案、(八)審查委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「威
權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案」案 |
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1139701_00003 |