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| 會議時間 |
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| 會議名稱 |
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謝謝主席有請行政院的卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢代委員好代理院長你好我是不是可以合理的比較樂觀期待有關於這次總預算那麼你已經 |
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宣布了,或者是要處理了,就是差那個20幾億,一定把它補起來,我可以這樣子理解嗎? |
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行政院有提出我們的看法跟期待那我希望這個期待是我們互相建立這樣的尊重共識原則底下我們共同來找出至今的來源那我已經提出了幾個方法但是每個方法都有委員不同意所以我想還是要談一下那總之這就是一個解決的方向就是要解決嘛十幾億可以解決了這個要感謝我們韓院長他這麼有智慧先讓這個程序先走 |
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照你講,他是等於立法院先讓步,你知道嗎?互相尊重啦,我也感謝有這個機會來做說明。我們說這是什麼,狹路相逢是勇者順。院長,韓院長很有智慧啊。你有一個表面上讓你贏一下,事實上雙贏喔。國家往前走,所以20幾億的追加預算不要跳票。下午就很簡單的啊,復會就很簡單啊。 |
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謝謝委員幫忙謝謝委員支持阿你要先坐阿院長給你搭一個台子你就順勢走下來對不對你要不要感謝一下我們韓院長謝謝韓院長謝謝大院其實如果是第一一開始就復委我來這裡講的跟今天講的就一模一樣這個這個內容從那個時候到現在我心裡的準備是沒有改變阿你不先回我阿再先好啦我不要當這個時間了喔我們來看一下 |
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這個這兩天你已經有對外講了人事的問題等等的齁結果中友董事長一上台以後馬上講了他說要合理反映油價要改變那個 mindset說我們是亞洲鄰國包括日本包括新加坡包括香港最便宜的油價這個要拿掉意思就是要漲油價啦 |
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這個經濟部的部長可以來幫忙嗎?回答一下,經濟部說認同耶!我們中央董事長說要漲油價,那個白話文就是要漲油價,合理合理啊!不是這樣的講法,我們的油價調整每週他都有一個機制在調整,這個機制不會改變,這個機制不會改變 |
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報告委員我想這個現在的經濟學都這樣子啦今年的這個諾貝爾經濟學獎 |
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所以拋出一個大家可以討論的議題聽聽這個社會的意見這種在室內討論的這種大概沒有辦法聽到所有人的聲音 |
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所以一定要跑出來 |
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請問你啊請問你啊 |
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現在的中油累積虧損多少?啊?中油的累積虧損多少?現在中油的累積虧損,你是說今年嗎?全部,累積虧損當然,到目前為止啊。今年大概累積大概800億吧?累積虧損600多億,台電累積虧損多少? |
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臺電臺電多少我要強調的是在於在於啊你是說隆重嗎隆重累積啊累積啊收法到現在為止過去盤股開店到現在累積虧損了現在臺電的累積到4200億好那你說臺電我們就要漲價 |
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委員我們在這裡對話都有一個責任就是讓社會安心這並不會發生的事情 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間 |
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這個只是一個議題嘛 |
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我講這個委員你以前也是當教授你也很清楚嘛這個都可以討論的阿部長你這個話跟院長不一樣喔院長踩得很死喔沒有得討論阿你是說大家討論阿他講的是投資喔他講事件是投資不是說調整這個價格喔菲律賓的如果在那裡種綠墊運花來4塊錢搞不可能4塊錢青菜公共捏 |
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你知不知道菲律賓的電價平均多少?報告委員,我是不會青菜公共的。我在大學也教書,我教研究所,我怎麼可能青菜公共?我跟你一樣,你英國也在大學教車,你怎麼不青菜公共?我都不會青菜公共。是啊,那我怎麼可能青菜公共?你去大學青菜公共,不青菜公共,來這裡青菜公共?你跟我講啊,四塊錢! |
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菲律賓的電發電成本多少你告訴我?菲律賓多少錢?各種不同的綠電有不同的綠電我跟委員報告啦 |
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不是 委員 你知道價格的影響變數很多嘛 |
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那不能講說他現在的價格他現在的價格根據規模根據金我已經講過了我在菲律賓的這個價格4塊錢到台灣我才可能買 |
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如果不考慮土地成本不考慮資金成本 |
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那麼他的創電價格可以控制在3塊以下你先請回吧,因為我的題目很多,你不要在這讓我有太多時間請你叫那個外交部長好不好好謝謝,麻煩請外交部長備詢這個院長看好了 |
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外交部長林佳龍10月29日去訪問聖文森對法部長對,報告委員參觀了Orange Hill菊山生技中心我們還投入了1.3億包括菊山生技公司當然在聖文森這叫做什麼的 |
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這叫做大麻的怎麼會把我們國和基金的錢拿去投資拿去鼓勵我們的友邦做大麻這對我們來講是毒品吶報告委員查無此事查無此事什麼叫查無此事 |
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就是我們沒有這個任何去援助跟大麻有關沒有,你有沒有投資一點三億給他?橘山生技是有一個很重大的一些東西請問你有沒有我們最主要包括養殖啦國合基金有沒有投一點三億我就問你這個有沒有投一點三億我們投一點三億給他們?查五尺是沒有涉及任何跟大麻種植有關 |
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我們有協助他們包括家畜類還有包括果樹但是沒有大馬這個院長你要不要借這個機會因為我跟你講一個背景故事請問聖文山的人口多少11萬他們國民所得多少 |
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他們大概都一萬左右大概一萬啦,八千九千左右啦齁這個這麼小的一個國家它的主要很重要的一個出口就是表面上叫用要用的大碼事實上就是娛樂性的大碼這是它很重要的產品輸出當然它大碼合法化了可是它基本上來講的話它就是裡面盛產了 |
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報告委員我們比如像鳳梨的這些玉 |
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大麻當然不是一個合法的不可以合法喔不可以合法然後然後 |
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請外交部部長承諾我們不會去支持或者不會去投資大麻的任何的用品以及這個產品的任何的公司可不可以這樣講 有幫 |
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對,我們不會去投資 |
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現在大家最關心的請問就是川普啊川普到底誰會當選川普已經講了兩次 |
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說臺灣要Pay for Defense就是要叫保護會叫保護會Pay for Defense講得非常清楚那我就請問啊兩次要叫保護會如果一旦這次大家認為川普當選機率很高那我們是怎麼樣直接部保護會像這個韓國日本 |
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我想跟委員報告我想不論誰當選我們國防部的立場就是說我們一定要展現自我防衛的能力跟決心那我們的 |
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我們買了很多武器,他最可能就是叫我們多買一些武器 |
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雖然有說我們要他不賣但是呢他只要願意賣給我們我們就歡迎但是我們就發現到人的問題最重要 |
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人不足啊!所以有沒有可能我題目我時間快到了就問你這個最簡單的問題給志願役加薪可不可以?志願役加薪志願役太低啊!薪水太低沒人來啊!所以現在只有八成補啊!志願役加薪可以嗎?志願役加50%有沒有可能? |
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因為整個調整的弧度,我想我們必須要研議 |
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謝謝賴士葆委員質詢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長來備詢。謝謝報告委員會在議場二樓旁聽來自屏東縣離港縣 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時36分）謝謝主席，有請行政院的卓院長。 |
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主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長你好。我是不是可以合理地、比較樂觀期待有關於這次總預算，你已經宣布了或者是要處理了，就是差那個二十幾億，一定把它補起來，我可以這樣子理解嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：行政院有提出我們的看法跟期待，那我希望這個期待是我們互相建立這樣的尊重共識原則底下，我們共同來找出資金的來源，那我已經提出了幾個方法，但是每個方法都有委員不同意，所以我想還是要談一下，但總之這就是一個解決的方向。 |
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賴委員士葆：就是要解決嘛！二十幾億可以解決了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個要感謝我們的韓院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：他有這個智慧先讓這個程序先走，照理講他是等於立法院先讓步你知道嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們互相尊重，我也感謝有這個機會來做說明。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們都說狹路相逢勇者勝，院長，韓院長很有智慧喔！讓一下…… |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝院長。 |
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賴委員士葆：表面上讓你贏一下，事實上是雙贏，國家往前走，所以二十幾億的追加預算不要跳票，下午就很簡單了，付委很簡單，我這樣講你同意嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員幫忙、謝謝委員支持。 |
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賴委員士葆：你要先做啊！院長給你搭一個台子，你就順勢走下來，對不對？你要不要感謝一下我們韓院長？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝韓院長、謝謝大院。 |
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賴委員士葆：要感謝一下啊！對不對？ |
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卓院長榮泰：其實如果是一開始就付委，我來這裡講的跟今天講的就一模一樣，這個內容從那個時候到現在，我心裡的準備是沒有改變。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們先違法在先，好啦！我不要耽誤這個時間，我們來看一下，這兩天你已經有對外講人事的問題等等，中油董事長一上台以後馬上講了，他說要合理反映油價，要改變那個mindset，說我們是亞洲鄰國，包括日本、包括新加坡、包括香港最便宜的油價，這個要拿掉，意思就是要漲油價啦！經濟部的部長可以來幫忙回答一下，經濟部說認同耶！我們中油董事長說要漲油價，那個白話文就是要漲油價…… |
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卓院長榮泰：不是、不是，委員，不是這樣的講法，也不是這個邏輯，不是這樣的講法，我們的油價調整，每週它都有一個機制在調整…… |
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賴委員士葆：我知道，公式要改變…… |
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卓院長榮泰：這個機制不會改變，這個機制不會改變。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長要說一下嗎？你們經濟部都支持耶！昨天上台的中油新董事長說要合理反映油價，他講這句話啊！6個字喔！「合理反映油價」，然後經濟部點兩點支持，就是要漲油價不是嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我想現在的經濟學都是這樣子，今年的諾貝爾經濟學獎得主他講過，廣納型的方式可能會得到一個比較好的結果，所以拋出一個大家可以討論的議題，聽聽這個社會的意見，如果大家都同意…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以沒有錯啊！你看卓院長拋出了漲價的議題，大家要討論啊！就是這樣嘛！就是這個意思，對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：不是，在室內討論的這種，大概沒有辦法聽到所有人的聲音啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：所以一定要拋出來，就是這個意思嘛！要拋出來給大家看啊！要漲價也要問問大家要不要漲價呀！你的意思就是這樣，難道不是嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，現在是在討論，我們不必要求非得亞洲最便宜的啦，如果要用亞洲最便宜的…… |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！我們不見得要亞洲最便宜的…… |
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郭部長智輝：因為亞洲最便宜的地方牽扯到匯率、稅率，所以這個基本上不是那麼簡單就可以…… |
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賴委員士葆：請問你，現在中油的累計虧損是多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：什麼？ |
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賴委員士葆：中油的累計虧損是多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：現在中油的……你是說今年的嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：全部，累計虧損當然是指到目前為止啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：今年大概是累計到800億了。 |
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賴委員士葆：累計虧損六百多億啦！你都……那台電累計虧損是多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：台電？ |
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卓院長榮泰：4,200億。 |
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賴委員士葆：台電是多少？我要強調的是在…… |
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郭部長智輝：你是講總和嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：是總和啊！累積，so far到現在為止，從過去盤古開天到現在的累積虧損，你不知道嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：現在台電的累計虧損大概是4,200億。 |
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賴委員士葆：是啊！你說台電要漲價，或者是補貼，你說立法院沒有給你2,000億就要漲電價、恐嚇人民，是不是中油也要來這樣一套？中油要漲價，公式不算了，因為公式沒有辦法反映成本，我們不要維持…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，我們在這裡對話都有一個責任，就是讓社會安心，這是並不會發生的事情，弄成這樣容易引起誤解。但我要講清楚，中油每週調整油價的那個機制不會改變，這個才是重點。 |
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賴委員士葆：那我就問，中油要不要提出增資？中油要不要增資，請問部長？ |
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郭部長智輝：不是啦！我們現在…… |
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賴委員士葆：我就是問你這個題目。 |
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郭部長智輝：油價有一個機制在那個地方運作嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：我知道油價有公式啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：我們沒有要改變啊！那個是他們的決定，是按照既定的制度在進行的。 |
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賴委員士葆：你們中油董事長以及工會都放砲了，說3年來政策補貼4,000億，大家覺得應該給它反映，你說丟出來讓大家討論，就變成這樣啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：這個只是一個議題嘛！我想委員以前也當過教授，你也很清楚嘛！這個都是可以討論的啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你這個話跟院長不一樣喔！院長跟你…… |
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卓院長榮泰：一樣啊！完全一樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長踩得很死喔！都沒有得討論，但你是說大家討論。 |
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郭部長智輝：他講的是投資，並不是調整價格。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你說如果在菲律賓種綠電運回來4塊錢，有可能4塊錢嗎？不會是隨便講講的吧！你知不知菲律賓的平均電價是多少嗎？他們的電價是多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我是不會隨便講講的，我在大學也教書，我教研究所，怎麼可能隨便講講？我和你一樣，你也曾經在大學教過書啊！你會隨便講講嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：我當然不會隨便講講。 |
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郭部長智輝：對嘛！那我怎麼可能會隨講講呢？ |
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賴委員士葆：你在大學不會隨便講講，但是會來這裡隨便講講。不然你跟我講，4塊錢……菲律賓的發電成本是多少，你告訴我菲律賓多少錢？ |
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郭部長智輝：各種不同的綠電，有不同…… |
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賴委員士葆：approximately是多少，你跟我講，平均多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：有不同的綠電…… |
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賴委員士葆：平均多少？ |
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郭部長智輝：我跟委員報告…… |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有回答我啊！人家就修理你，大學教授、我們的經濟部長被人家這樣修理。大學教授說，菲律賓的電平均是6.3塊錢，如果有4塊錢自己用就好了，為什麼還讓臺灣用…… |
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郭部長智輝：委員，你知道價格的影響變數很多嗎？不能講它現在的價格，它現在的價格根據規模…… |
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賴委員士葆：你看，你現在又講到未來了啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：那不一樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！你不要占用我的時間喔！ |
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郭部長智輝：我已經講過了，我在菲律賓的價格，4塊錢到臺灣我才可能買。 |
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賴委員士葆：那就不可能買到了啊！反正就是「空喙哺舌」了…… |
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郭部長智輝：怎麼會不可能？ |
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賴委員士葆：他們現在就是6塊了…… |
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郭部長智輝：委員有興趣的話，我可以算給你看，你有興趣的話，我可以到你辦公室跟你報告。 |
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賴委員士葆：就好像這個綠電要多少錢、多少錢，你隨便講說什麼綠電有16%，根本就沒有10%，還說有16%。 |
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郭部長智輝：我跟委員報告，如果不考慮土地成本、不考慮資金成本，那麼它的創電價格可以控制在3塊以下。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，你先請回吧！因為我的題目很多，你不要在這裡浪費我太多時間。請一下外交部長，好嗎？ |
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主席：麻煩請外交部長備詢。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長，這個看好喔！外交部長林佳龍10月29日去訪問聖文森，對吧！部長。 |
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林部長佳龍：報告委員，對。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！參觀了橘山生技中心（Orange Hill），我們還投入了1.3億，包括橘山生技公司，當然在聖文森，這家做什麼的？這家做大麻的，怎麼會把我們國合基金的錢拿去投資、拿去鼓勵我們的友邦做大麻？這對我們來講是毒品耶！二級毒品耶！ |
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林部長佳龍：報告委員，查無此事。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼？ |
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林部長佳龍：查無此事。 |
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賴委員士葆：事實如此。 |
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林部長佳龍：查過了。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼叫查無此事？我聽不懂。 |
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林部長佳龍：就是我們沒有去援助任何跟大麻有關的。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，你有沒有投資1.3億給它？ |
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林部長佳龍：橘山生技是有一些很重大的農業…… |
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賴委員士葆：請問你有沒有…… |
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林部長佳龍：我們最主要是包括養殖、畜種…… |
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賴委員士葆：國合基金有沒有投1.3億？我就問你這個，有沒有投1.3億？ |
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林部長佳龍：我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有投1.3億給他們？ |
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林部長佳龍：查無此事，沒有涉及任何跟大麻種植有關的。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是有沒有丟1.3億給它？ |
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林部長佳龍：我們有協助他們，包括家畜類，還有包括果樹，但是沒有大麻。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長，你要不要藉這個機會，因為我跟你講一個背景故事，請問聖文森的人口多少？ |
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林部長佳龍：11萬。 |
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賴委員士葆：11萬，他們的國民所得多少？ |
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林部長佳龍：他們大概都1萬左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：不到1萬，8,000、9,000左右。這個這麼小的國家，它主要的、很重要的出口就是表面上叫藥用的大麻，事實上是娛樂性的大麻，這是它很重要的產品輸出，當然它大麻合法化了，可是基本上來講的話，它就是裡面盛產了藥用的或者是娛樂用的大麻，大家都知道，所以你投給它，某種程度來講就間接鼓勵它做這個事情…… |
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林部長佳龍：報告委員，比如鳳梨的育苗，還有像馬鈴薯等等，另外就是水果，我們是提供這樣的技術協助他，有一些…… |
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賴委員士葆：好，我請教卓院長…… |
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林部長佳龍：所以跟大麻沒有關係。 |
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賴委員士葆：你能不能在這個地方再次宣布一下，法務部也宣布過了，大麻在臺灣不可能合法化，可以嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：大麻當然不是一個合法的…… |
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賴委員士葆：不可以合法喔！ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：不可以合法。也請外交部部長承諾，我們不會去支持或者不會去投資做大麻的任何用品以及產品的友邦任何公司，可不可以這樣講？ |
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林部長佳龍：對，我們不會去投資跟大麻有關的。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，部長，你講一下，大麻…… |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，維持外交關係當然要用很多的方法，但是我想外交部一定已經非常地謹慎，跟我們各個友邦或民主夥伴國家的合作，也一定要是合乎我們國內我們國家所需求的及法律的規定，這個無庸置疑，我們深具信心…… |
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賴委員士葆：我提醒，很多國家大麻合法化了，但是…… |
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卓院長榮泰：要合乎我們自己的。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們去投資或者我們去支持，不可以支持大麻的相關活動，好不好？ |
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林部長佳龍：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長要講什麼？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：大麻是管制二級的毒品，我們現在是加強查緝。 |
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賴委員士葆：二級毒品。好，兩位長官請回…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們請一下國防部長。 |
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主席：請國防部長備詢。 |
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賴委員士葆：外交部長，你可以留著。 |
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國防部長，現在大家最關心的題目就川賀到底誰會當選，川普已經講了兩次，說臺灣要pay for defence，就是要繳保護費，要繳保護費，pay for defence，講得非常清楚，我就請問，他講兩次要繳保護費，這次大家認為川普當選機率很高，我們是怎麼樣？直接付保護費，像韓國、日本，當地有駐軍的美軍，替他們付錢，最近漲了好幾倍哦！還是說我們增加武器的購買，還是像台積電，增加多一點的台積電去那裡設廠，哪一個？院長，你要不要講一下？還是部長要講？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，我想不論誰當選，國防部的立場就是我們一定要展現自我防衛的能力跟決心，我們以展現自我防衛能力的決心來讓美國能夠看得到，然後他們現在也運用各種安援的手段，包括PDA跟FMF，它也很關切我們國防的預算，所以我們的國防預算一直以來也都逐步穩定地成長…… |
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賴委員士葆：你講到重點了，就是我講的，我們買了很多武器，他們有最可能的就是叫我們多買一些武器，雖然有時候它不賣，但是它只要願意賣給我們，我們就歡迎。但是我們發現到人的問題最重要，人不足，我的時間快到了，就問你這個最簡單的問題，有沒有可能給志願役加薪？志願役加薪可不可以？志願役的薪水太低，沒有人要來，所以現在只有八成五，志願役加薪可以嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：這個我們正在研議當中，因為主要是主戰部隊的編現比比較低，所以我們在志願役的勤務加給之外，應該要針對主戰部隊的這個部分。 |
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賴委員士葆：志願役加50%有沒有可能？ |
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顧部長立雄：我想這個要看整個財政…… |
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賴委員士葆：你說正在研擬，方向是什麼？ |
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顧部長立雄：因為整個的調整幅度，我們必須要研議之後，還要跟相關的人事總處、主計總處進行商量，還要報行政院核定…… |
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賴委員士葆：我們希望在這一屆，就是2028年選舉之前，2027年年底志願役的年薪破百萬，跟到台積電一樣年薪百萬，這樣才有辦法捍衛我們的國家。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員質詢、謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。 |
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報告院會，在議場二樓旁聽來自屏東縣里港鄉族群融合協會所有的好朋友，歡迎，熱烈歡迎。 |
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報告院會，上午的質詢到此為止，下午2點30分繼續開會，進行預算報告之質詢，現在休息。 |
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休息（11時52分） |
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繼續開會（14時30分） |
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226 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-2-7 |
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韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
張智倫 |
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麥玉珍 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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羅智強 |
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王定宇 |
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牛煦庭 |
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劉建國 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
徐欣瑩 |
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郭國文 |
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邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
楊瓊瓔 |
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林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
125 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-05 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138801 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138801_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年
度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─
詢答完畢─ |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138801_00004 |
| IVOD_ID |
156507 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156507 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-7 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-05T11:36:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-05T11:52:09+08:00 |
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