| IVOD_ID |
156502 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156502 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-05T11:03:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-05T11:20:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:10 - 11:20:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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羅委員再請哪一位部長?衛福部麻煩請衛福部部長備選羅委員好 |
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院長好 院長 坦白講 表現得這麼差違法任用人士 還違法進口輸出液 中火增加煙囪管 荼毒台中人這樣子總預算你覺得會過嗎 到現在還敢抗中保台出征劉德華 你覺得總預算會過嗎 |
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來,院長我跟你說齁就不符合資格任用的靈性副審查員我們繼續我跟你沒完沒了10月23號衛福部高調的回答入取者雖然資格不符 |
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所以有多年的國會經驗他們需要尊重誘人單位是以計畫、經費、聘用、約用人員現在部長你有沒有請他離開 |
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我沒有請他離開他走了嗎我跟你講我針對的是整個通案不是個案你們在媒體面前高姿態的告訴大家資格不符國會經驗需要現在你跟我講你私底下請他走怎麼了 |
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現在整個衛福部啊就是胡作非為整個食藥署的人事約用經費就有4.7億 |
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整個政府我可以大膽的評估啊約用人員數十億的金額就給你們這樣子包庇人事案食藥署之花去酒店兼差沒有背景馬上被懲處現在這個零星副審查員拖這麼久你覺得合理嗎 |
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我們都按照程序來處理齁,那不當的監視,就馬上開場,馬上開機會。 |
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整個資格任用的過程就是違法任用我要告訴你請院長承諾調查整個政府總預算約用人員有沒有類似這樣子的案件你這個有可能就違反到了使公務人員登載不實資格不符還硬要任用牽拖國會經驗這個事情我不是針對個案是整個政府人事的預算案 |
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二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．羅廷瑋 |
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所以我再問一句,部長要不要道歉?你不願意道歉,你現在請這個人士要走人,你幹嘛請他走?不是沒有錯嗎?人民的血汗錢被你這樣子花? |
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二、我不跟你談這個。行政單位的表現爛到爆有多爛?我們看看,針對三件食藥署的人事案本席發文給人總、法務部、廉政署竟然副本我也給了院長室,得到的回函是什麼? |
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是希望上級單位作為第三方人總的法務部廉政署能夠督導食藥署衛福部結果咧回文給我人總竟然說他們已經發文給衛福部請衛福部自己調查處理你的調查處理這樣子合適嗎自己調查自己我的天啊你們的行政你們的表現人民可以接受嗎 |
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我們一切都會按規定來用人。 |
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這些人事案不是昨天才發生耶!歷經了數年耶!是我們點出來才處理!到現在還說自己調查自己!我希望院長立刻撤換食藥署人事室主任、政風室主任、要求人總法務部五天內給我們一個相關調查報告!院長可以承諾嗎? |
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委員已經是第三次提出類似的案子剛剛聽邱部長的答詢他是說這個任用資格有問題的這位同仁他現在按照勞基法的規定在處理如果按照勞基法的規定他應該有一定的時間但是我希望部長把時間講出來我還是剛剛那一句資格不符為先如果沒有錯不應該請人走你現在請人家走就代表你有錯你又不願意道歉 |
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這件事情我們後續再追我們繼續來院長針對輸出疫的現在的狀況我們政策有五點需求是整個本土藥廠一直在發生的院長你自行看一下PDT對不起羅委員時間暫停那其他部長請回 |
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時間還在走不好意思時間還在走剛剛院長說時間暫停待會要還我15秒好院長可以開始了嗎 |
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針對整個輸出區,現在本土藥廠有五點需求。我簡單講一下,為了配合政府的政策補足輸出溢現在的缺口,因此嚴重加班,超時召勞工局來積查、罰款、祭典。藥廠配合現在的政府政策,但是卻沒有得到政府的幫助。 |
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被罰、被祭奠是藥廠自己的問題,誰願意配合?輸出役如果最後沒辦法補足缺口,最後人民受害。有產能但能力不足,是不是藥廠不斷地在發生能夠比照所謂的過往國家隊,能夠讓替代或高階能力能夠投入藥廠生產增加產能? |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
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三、配合生產250毫升、1000毫升其他生理實驗水的規格、其他的容量沒辦法生產,被醫院開罰、重罰。食藥署到現在沒辦法溝通協調,只是道德勸說醫院不要罰。配合政府政策,前提都是配合政府。 |
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誰願意做人民最後受害。這樣子的表現我在這邊發聲建保署8月15新聞稿就有說過為鼓勵國內業者增產10月1號調漲輸出億支付價最高27% |
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院長您知道嗎這是參考10年前藥品支付標準的上限價來訂定的10年的波動整個物價大家都有感這種條幅完全無法滿足廠商的基本需求我現在在講的是基本需求連要謀生都不行了怎麼去配合政府最後沒有輸出益人民受害只是回到原先10年前的一個核價專案進口可以用高價格擠付 |
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所以我希望建保署以平時的價格 |
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能夠去兩到三倍進口輸出役,這樣子圖利所謂的進口,為什麼不能夠照顧本土廠?所以今天我要在這邊講,希望院長能夠邀集各部會,聽取業者的困難,邀集各部會一起協助衛福部處理輸出役缺口的問題,院長可以答應我嗎? |
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最後我要跟你講這個簽購採購案是誰核准的我想請問一下就食藥署5月13日啟動公開徵求專案輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
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我有去詢問過,生理食鹽水有無依據政府採購公開徵求採購若沒有,法律依據是什麼?可不可以回答?來!抓到了!食藥署供應平台你現在在吸藥供應資訊平台重點生理食鹽水就是非必要的藥品所以藥事法第27條之二 |
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根本不能使用你還在胡扯為什麼你一直要胡扯 |
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藥事法27條之二不是用於生理食鹽水,生理食鹽水是非必要藥品,這是你們開記者會說的。所以又是類推適用嗎?所以又是類推適用,上次我就問你了,你問我,你回答我說類推適用,你引用是藥事法,62條有漏洞,有漏洞嗎? |
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有漏洞嗎?所以又變了嘛27條之二我就跟你講了那你就不要開記者會告訴大家生理食鹽水非必要藥品現在又在用藥事法27條之二自己打臉你的臉不痛嗎?違法的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
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665.797 |
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說入的核准函這筆錢怎麼付?全民買單嗎?總預算編列這樣子?對嗎?說得過去嗎?我上次問你的用生理食鹽水要用消保法處理了沒?還在創保護公司喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
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我就是衝著你這句話如果發生了人民任何的問題我就看衛福部要不要幫忙協助所有的事情都是在維護國人的健康這就是我們作為民意代表應該要做的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
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我要邀請陳世凱部長還有林佳龍部長請上來請交通部長還有經濟、交通部長、外交部部長、林佳龍部長請回衛福部邱部長請回彭部長彭部長已有你的事啊、中火啊你怎麼可以不上來還是沒有環境部了是空汙汙染部 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
731.468 |
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746.536 |
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院長,我就簡單請問你一個問題。中火現在二期燃氣的環評,在兩個月內火速通過出審,環評大會不理地方政府還有現在環團的意見,現在煙囪管會不會增加? |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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773.342 |
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最終煙囪管會不會增加?煙囪管會不會增加?未來到2035年它只會有6部燃氣機組在正常運作還有咧?6部燃煤機組備而不用!中火的5根煙囪管要變6根!這就是事實!你旁邊的就是所謂的污染護航部 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
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我要告訴大家在你旁邊的林佳龍部長在105年擔任台中市市長的時候他非常棒他非常有勇氣他通過了台中市生美管制條例107年你們將通過法修惡限所有地方政府為民服務為民把關的權利後面呢你把生美管制條例直接作廢你對得起台中人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
804.741 |
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824.327 |
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到現在為止我們看到了中火有可能火力全開藍棲藍莓基礎只增不減王美花、蔡英文時期答應增一、拆一現在呢跳票做不到我請問院長你對得起台中人嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
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代表台中人我們真的想要爭取自己的身體健康有這麼難嗎?你旁邊的都是台中人林佳龍部長 台中人陳世凱部長 台中人 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
838.783 |
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857.726 |
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陳部長我想請問你作為台中人你作何感想我在乎的是減煤跟減碳如果可以做到減煤跟減碳我覺得身為台中人是可以接受的所有的台中人都支持蒸汽減煤這是最重要的前提我們都支持沒有人反對蒸汽減煤 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
858.607 |
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但現在看到的是爭完氣以後你們所謂的備而不用環境部開了這個記者會裡面很清楚的顯示不是為了國安不是為了戰爭而是有可能小老鼠有可能松鼠、蛇造成的跳電我們就要火力全開你自己也承認晚上的時候火力發電高達95%以上院長 |
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894 |
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火力發電有沒有高達95%以上?所以院長承認了,當全國火力全開的時候,臺中人就是用肺癌發電!臺中市的衛生局提供的資料,肺癌是屬於很高致癌的癌症別。 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
912.58 |
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所有全體的國人拿出你的帳單,看看你的帳單最近有沒有有感。臺電的帳單越來越多,一手拿著你的財產,一手拿著你的生命。我要告訴現在的行政院,我們不排除所有的抗爭,空污法107年修了,我們要把它修回來。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
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我們要還權於民,還權於地方,我們要讓地方政府有權捍衛台中市所有國人的身體健康,我們一定會全力以赴。 |
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我會要求台電把每一年的狀況算出來告訴國人也告訴台中市民 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
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我們不放心現在的政府一再的跳票連王美花曾經答應的蔡英文時期答應的曾一、蔡一現在都做不到你要國人如何相信現在的政府備而不用便常態使用藍莓基礎就是肺癌發電我們走著瞧二期環評也就是一個氣換一個美院長謝謝我還你時間好謝謝羅廷瑋執行謝謝主委院長及各部會首長的備詢 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:03:10+08:00 |
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謝謝韓院長，有請卓院長以及衛福部部長。 |
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主席 |
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麻煩再請卓院長、衛福部部長備詢。 |
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0.643 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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羅委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-11-05T11:03:30.882000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:03:31.102000+08:00 |
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院長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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院長，坦白講，表現得這麼差，違法任用人事；還違法進口輸出液；中火增加煙囪管，荼毒臺中人，這樣子你覺得總預算會過嗎？ |
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0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-11-05T11:03:46.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-11-05T11:03:50.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
到現在還敢抗中保臺，出征劉德華！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-11-05T11:03:50.818000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-11-05T11:03:51.818000+08:00 |
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你覺得總預算會過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-11-05T11:03:51.818000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-11-05T11:03:52.818000+08:00 |
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總預算跟劉德華無關啊！ |
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0 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:03:52.818000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-11-05T11:03:53.818000+08:00 |
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講了這麼多，不要只聽後面，前面最重要的，預算、人事任用的…… |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:03:53.818000+08:00 |
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1 |
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人事進用的部分，我也請衛福部要再詳細地調查、說明，也要跟委員做報告。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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院長，我跟你說，就不符合資格任用的林姓副審查員，我們就繼續，我跟你沒完沒了。 |
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0.909 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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10月23號衛福部高調地回答，錄取者雖然資格不符，但有多年的國會經驗，他們需要，尊重用人單位是以計畫經費聘用約用人員。 |
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0.92 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:04:34.597000+08:00 |
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部長，現在你有沒有請他離開？ |
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0.833 |
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邱部長泰源 |
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2024-11-05T11:04:34.597000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-11-05T11:04:39.242000+08:00 |
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我們已經按照…… |
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0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-11-05T11:04:39.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-11-05T11:04:43.264000+08:00 |
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有沒有請他離開？ |
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0.857 |
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邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-11-05T11:04:43.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-11-05T11:04:44.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
已經有按照要離職的方向在…… |
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0 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-11-05T11:04:43.264000+08:00 |
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|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-11-05T11:04:48.206000+08:00 |
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他走了嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
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2024-11-05T11:04:48.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
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2024-11-05T11:04:49.206000+08:00 |
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以勞基法來處理，一定會辦理離職。 |
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0 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:04:48.206000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:05:01.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
我跟你講，我針對的是整個通案，不是個案，你們在媒體面前高姿態地告訴大家資格不符、國會經驗需要，現在你跟我講，私底下請他走？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:02.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:02.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
怎麼了？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:02.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:03.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
不是私底下…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:03.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:04.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
不是沒有錯？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:04.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:05.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
是經過大家的討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:05.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:06.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
你要不要道歉？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:06.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:07.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
你要不要道歉？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:07.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:08.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我想我們在任用的部分基本上都按照規定在進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:02.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:03.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
現在整個衛福部就是胡作非為！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:03.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:05.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
整個食藥署的人事約用經費竟有4.7億！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:26.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:32.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我可以大膽評估，整個政府約用人員數十億的金額，就給你們這樣拿去包庇人事案了！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:34.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:41.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
食藥署之花去酒店兼差，沒有背景，馬上被懲處；現在這個林姓副審查員拖這麼久，你覺得合理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:48.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:49.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我們都按照程序來處理…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:49.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:50.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
什麼叫按照程序？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:49.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-11-05T11:05:50.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
不當兼職的，馬上召開考紀會…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-11-05T11:05:50.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:01.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
當時面試這個林姓副審查員時，就是勾資格不符，難道要我把所有內部的資料公諸於世嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:01.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:05.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
整個資格任用過程就是違法任用！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:05.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:13.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我告訴你，請院長承諾調查整個政府的約用人員預算中，有沒有類似這樣的案件？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:14.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:18.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
因為這可能違反使公務人員登載不實！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:18.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:23.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
資格不符還硬要任用，然後牽拖國會經驗？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:23.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:28.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
這件事我不是針對個案，而是整個政府的人事預算案都可能有這問題，所以請部長不要再亂了！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.487 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:28.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:38.173500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
整個邱式風格讓衛福部、食藥署的大家都很不習慣！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:38.173500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:48.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我們要的是治理好國家，而不是在養你們這些綠友友、綠的子弟兵。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.074 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:48.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:52.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
所以我再問一句，部長，要不要道歉？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:52.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:53.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
委員，有關用人是尊重我們用人…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:53.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:55.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你不願意道歉，現在卻要請這個人走人？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:56.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:57.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你幹嘛請他走？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:58.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:58.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
不是沒有錯嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:58.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-11-05T11:06:59.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
人民的血汗錢被你這樣子花？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-11-05T11:06:59.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:07.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
當時用人的過程…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:07.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:08.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我不跟你談這個！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:08.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:09.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我尊重食藥署的…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:08.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:11.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
行政單位的表現爛到爆！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:11.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:13.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
有多爛？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:13.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:13.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我們來看看。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:14.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:24.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
針對食藥署的三件人事案，本席發文給人總、法務部及廉政署，副本我也給了院長室，得到的回函是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:25.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:40.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我希望上級單位，至少作為第三方的人總、法務部、廉政署能督導食藥署與衛福部，結果人總回文給我竟然說：已經發文給衛福部，請衛福部自己調查處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:41.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:44.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你的調查處理是這樣子，合適嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:44.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:45.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
自己調查自己？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:46.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:47.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我的天啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:48.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:52.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你們的行政、你們的表現，人民可以接受嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:52.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:53.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
自己管自己啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:53.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:54.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我要要求…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:54.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-11-05T11:07:55.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我們一切都按照法規處理，一定都按規定來用人…… |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-11-05T11:07:55.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:07.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
人事室、政風室自己報告自己，承認自己有錯，院長，這是整個行政體系在做夢嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:07.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:27.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
這些人事案不是昨天才發生的，歷經數年，是我們點出來才處理，到現在還自己調查自己，我希望院長立刻撤換食藥署人事室主任、政風室主任，並要求人總、法務部五天內給我們相關調查報告，院長可以承諾嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:28.297000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:41.427000+08:00 |
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委員已經是第三次提出類似的案子，剛剛聽邱部長的答詢，他說任用資格有問題的這位同仁，現在按照勞基法規定在處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:41.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:47.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
如果按照勞基法規定，就應該有一定的時間，但我希望部長把時間講出來，什麼時候會做到什麼程度…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.707 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:47.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:50.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我還是剛剛那一句，資格不符為先！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:50.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:55.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
所以如果沒有錯，就不應該請人走；你現在請人家走，就代表你有錯，但你又不願意道歉？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:55.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
如果按照勞基法規定，就需要一定時間，之後我還是要了解在整個進用程序上，如果資格不符的話為什麼可以進用。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-11-05T11:08:58.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
這件事情我們後續再追，我們繼續。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-11-05T11:08:58.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:02.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
院長，針對現在輸出液的狀況，目前政策有五點需求，這是本土藥廠一直在發生的。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:02.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:03.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
院長，你自行看一下PTT…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:03.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:03.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
對不起，羅委員時間暫停。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:03.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:04.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
其他部長請回，請衛福部備詢就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:21.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:22.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
時間還在走，不好意思，時間還在走。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:22.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:23.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
剛剛院長說時間暫停，待會要還我15秒。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:24.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-11-05T11:09:24.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
院長，可以開始了嗎？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-11-05T11:09:43.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-11-05T11:10:09.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
針對輸出液，現在本土藥廠有五點需求，我簡單講一下，為了配合政府的政策，補足輸出液現在的缺口，因此嚴重加班，超時遭勞工局稽查、罰款、記點，藥廠配合現在的政府政策，但是卻沒有得到政府的幫助，被罰、被記點是藥廠自己的問題，誰願意配合？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-11-05T11:10:10.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-11-05T11:10:26.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
輸出液如果最後無法補足缺口，最後也是人民受害，有產能但是人力不足，藥廠不斷地發聲是不是能夠比照過往的國家隊，能夠讓替代役或高階人力投入藥廠生產來增加產能？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-11-05T11:10:26.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-11-05T11:10:46.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
第三，配合生產250毫升、1,000毫升，其他生理食鹽水的規格、其他容量沒辦法生產，被醫院開罰、重罰，食藥署到現在沒辦法溝通、協調，只是道德勸說醫院不要罰，配合政府政策，前提都是配合政府，誰願意做？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-11-05T11:10:47.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-11-05T11:10:50.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
人民最後受害，這樣子的表現我在這邊發聲。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-11-05T11:10:50.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-11-05T11:11:03.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
健保署8月15號的新聞稿就有說過，為鼓勵國內業者增產，10月1號調漲輸出液支付價最高27%，院長，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-11-05T11:11:03.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-11-05T11:11:29.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
這個是參考10年前藥品支付標準的上限價來訂定的，10年的波動、整個物價大家都有感，這種調幅完全無法滿足廠商的基本需求，我現在在講的是基本需求，連要謀生都不行了，怎麼去配合政府，最後沒有輸出液，人民受害，只是回到原先10年前的核價，專案進口可以用高價格給付，專案進口可以高價格給付，對於本土廠現在國產的量能卻沒有辦法給予幫助，合理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-11-05T11:11:31.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-11-05T11:11:53.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草，所以我希望健保署以平時的價格，既然能夠以2到3倍進口輸出液這樣來圖利所謂的進口，為什麼不能照顧本土廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-11-05T11:11:53.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:06.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
所以今天我要在這邊講，希望院長邀集各部會，聽取業者的困難，邀集各部會一起協助衛福部處理輸出液缺口的問題，院長，可以答應我嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:06.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:07.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
好，專案進口終究不是一個正常的常態啦，我們終究還是要靠國內廠商，國內廠商基本生產所需要的條件以及跟政府的關係我們要維持好，我會要求衛福部做好這一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:07.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:08.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
謝謝你，最後我要跟你講，簽購採購案是誰核准的？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:08.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:39.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我想請問一下，就食藥署5月13日啟動公開徵求專案輸入，我有去詢問過，生理食鹽水有無依據政府採購公開徵求採購，若沒有，法律依據是什麼，可不可以回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:39.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:44.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
我們是用藥事法第二十七條之二，必要藥品的一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:44.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:54.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
來，抓到了，在食藥署的西藥供應資訊平台，重點是生理食鹽水就是非必要的藥！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:54.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-11-05T11:12:55.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
但是那個時候用類推，因為那的確是民眾需要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-11-05T11:12:55.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:02.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
所以藥事法第二十七條之二根本不能使用，你還在胡扯！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:03.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:04.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
為什麼你一直要胡扯？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:04.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:06.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我們這個都經過非常嚴謹的…… |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:06.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:10.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
藥事法第二十七條之二不適用於生理食鹽水…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:10.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:11.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
食藥署都經過非常嚴謹的討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:10.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:14.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
生理食鹽水是非必要藥品，這個是你們開記者會說的。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:14.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:15.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
那個是用類推，因為它的確是民眾需要、醫療需要。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:15.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:19.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
所以你又是類推適用嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:19.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:21.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
它是生命的需要。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:21.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:30.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
所以又是類推適用，上次我就問你了，你回答我說類推適用，你引用的是藥事法第六十二條有漏洞，有漏洞嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:32.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:33.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
有漏洞嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:33.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:34.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我現在要澄清一下，我們用的是第二十七條之二，對不起。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:33.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:33.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
所以又變了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:33.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:34.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
沒有，我們沒有用騙的…… |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:34.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:34.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
第二十七條之二，我跟你講了…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:34.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:35.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
因為上次的法條是原來的估計，後來發現這一條…… |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:34.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:40.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
那就不要開記者會告訴大家生理食鹽水非必要藥品，現在又用藥事法第二十七條之二，自己打臉，你的臉不痛嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:40.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-11-05T11:13:41.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
它雖然沒有列入必要藥品，但是去類推，因為它是人民生命所需要的，所以必須要用這個來類推。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-11-05T11:13:40.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:02.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
違法的專案輸入核准函，這筆錢怎麼付？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:03.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:04.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
全民買單嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:04.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:07.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
總預算編列這樣子，對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:07.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:08.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
說得過去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:08.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:13.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
我上次問你的，用生理食鹽水要用消保法，處理了沒？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:13.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:14.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
那是不一樣的事情…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:14.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:15.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
還在逛百貨公司喔…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:15.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:16.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
藥害救濟法是有它的規定，這是有另外…… |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:16.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:17.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
藥害基金不賠！ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:17.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:18.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
但是絕對會保障人民的…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:18.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:19.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
藥害基金跟我們回答不賠，要就去打跨國官司，去打消保法！ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:19.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:20.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
我們任何藥品一定有保障，請放心。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:19.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:23.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
我就衝著你這句話，如果人民發生任何的問題，我就看衛福部要不要幫忙協助，所有的事情都是在維護國人的健康…… |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:23.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:24.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
沒有錯！ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:23.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:23.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
這就是我們作為民意代表應該要做的。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
邱部長泰源 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:23.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:24.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
那也是我們政府機關必須要做的。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.214 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:24.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2024-11-05T11:14:53.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
問題是，我要邀請陳世凱部長還有林佳龍部長，請上台。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2024-11-05T11:14:54.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:02.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
麻煩請交通部長、外交部部長備詢，衛福部邱部長請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:05.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:14.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
彭部長，也有你的事情啊，中火啊，你怎麼可以不上來？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:14.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:15.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
還是沒有環境部了？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:15.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:16.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
是空污污染部！ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:21.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:36.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
院長，我就簡單請問你一個問題，中火現在二期燃氣環評在2個月內火速通過初審，環評大會不理地方政府還有環團的意見，現在煙囪管會不會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:37.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:39.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
最終煙囪管會不會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:39.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:42.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
環評一定是照程序進行到現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:42.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:43.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
煙囪管會不會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:43.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:49.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
未來到2035年，只會有6部燃氣機組在正常運作…… |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:50.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:50.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
還有呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:51.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:53.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
6部燃煤機組備而不用…… |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:53.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:54.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
那個是備而不用…… |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:54.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2024-11-05T11:15:59.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
中火的5根煙囪管要變成6根，這就是事實！ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:59.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:00.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
6個備用的機組 |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2024-11-05T11:15:59.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:03.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
你旁邊的就是所謂的污染護航部！ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:04.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:16.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
我要告訴大家，在你旁邊的林佳龍部長，105年擔任臺中市市長的時候，他非常棒，他非常有勇氣，他通過了臺中市生煤管制條例。 |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:16.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:18.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
這個到現在都還在適用，煤的使用量是受到管控的。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:18.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:27.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
107年你們將空污法修惡，限縮了地方政府為民服務、為民把關的權力，後面呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:28.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:33.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
你把生煤管制條例直接作廢，你對得起臺中人嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:34.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:49.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
到現在為止，我們看到了中火有可能火力全開，燃氣、燃煤機組只增不減，王美花、蔡英文時期答應增一拆一，現在呢？跳票！ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:49.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:50.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
做不到！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:52.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2024-11-05T11:16:54.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
我請問院長，你對得起臺中人嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2024-11-05T11:16:55.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2024-11-05T11:17:01.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
代表臺中人，我們真的想要爭取自己的身體健康有這麼難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2024-11-05T11:17:01.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2024-11-05T11:17:12.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
你旁邊的都是臺中人，林佳龍部長臺中人，陳世凱部長臺中人，陳部長，我想請問你，作為臺中人，你做何感想？ |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2024-11-05T11:17:12.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2024-11-05T11:17:19.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
我在乎的是減煤跟減碳，如果可以做到減煤跟減碳，我覺得身為臺中人是可以接受的。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:19.156000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:49.936000+08:00 |
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所有的臺中人都支持增氣減煤，這是最重要的前提，我們都支持，沒有人反對增氣減煤，但現在看到的是，增完氣以後，你們所謂的備而不用，環境部開的記者會裡面很清楚地顯示，不是為了國安，不是為了戰爭，而是有可能是小老鼠，有可能是松鼠、蛇造成的跳電，我們就要火力全開。 |
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| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:49.936000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:57.698000+08:00 |
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你自己也承認，晚上的時候火力發電高達95%以上，院長，火力發電有沒有高達95%以上？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:57.698000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:58.698000+08:00 |
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在晚上的時候，如果是沒有太陽、沒有風力的時候它是有可能，但是那個時候的用電量…… |
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| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:57.839000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:59.719000+08:00 |
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所以院長承認了，當全國火力全開的時候…… |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:59.719000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:00.719000+08:00 |
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用電量是很低。 |
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| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:17:59.879000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:01.540000+08:00 |
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臺中人就是用肺來發電！ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:01.540000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:02.540000+08:00 |
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沒有，用電量在那個時候，總發電量是比較低的。 |
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| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:01.540000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:34.463000+08:00 |
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臺中市衛生局提供的資料，肺癌是屬於很高致癌的癌症別，所有全體國人拿出你的帳單，看看你的帳單最近有沒有有感，台電的帳單越來越多，一手拿著你的財產，一手拿著你的生命！ |
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| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:35.143000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:56.575000+08:00 |
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我要告訴現在的行政院，我們不排除所有的抗爭，空污法107年修惡，我們要把它修回來，我們要還權於民，還權於地方，我們要讓地方政府有權捍衛臺中市所有國人的身體健康，我們一定全力以赴。 |
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0.987 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:56.575000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:59.465143+08:00 |
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委員，我們理性一點看這個問題，我希望台電告訴全國人民跟臺中市民，25年、26年、27年一直到35年，每一年燃氣發電的狀況、燃煤發電的狀況、空污減少的狀況…… |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:18:59.465143+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:02.355286+08:00 |
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院長，你要還我15秒！ |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:02.355286+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:05.245429+08:00 |
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沒聲音了，院長。 |
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主席 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:05.245429+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:08.135571+08:00 |
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因為我們的時間計算是以1分鐘為單位。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:08.135571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:11.025714+08:00 |
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那你就還我1分鐘，院長，不好意思，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:11.025714+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:13.915857+08:00 |
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沒有問題，因為我們剛剛答應補你時間，再給你1分鐘，請羅委員繼續。 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:13.915857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:16.806000+08:00 |
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院長，你剛剛講的…… |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:16.806000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:21.873000+08:00 |
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我會要求台電把每一年的狀況算出來，告訴國人，也告訴臺中市民。 |
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| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:32.523000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:51.115000+08:00 |
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我們不放心現在的政府，一再地跳票，連王美花曾經答應的、蔡英文時期答應的增一拆一現在都做不到，你要國人如何相信現在的政府，備而不用變成常態使用，燃煤機組就是肺癌發電，我們走著瞧！ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:51.115000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:52.956000+08:00 |
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二期環評也就是一個氣換一個煤。 |
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0.929 |
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羅委員廷瑋 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:53.356000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:53.536000+08:00 |
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院長，謝謝，我還你時間。 |
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主席 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:53.536000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:54.697000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝羅廷瑋委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及各部會首長的備詢。 |
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主席 |
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2024-11-05T11:19:55.197000+08:00 |
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2024-11-05T11:20:00.054143+08:00 |
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再接下來我們請登記23號賴瑞隆委員質詢。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：（11時3分）謝謝韓院長，有請卓院長以及衛福部部長。 |
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主席：麻煩再請卓院長、衛福部部長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：羅委員好。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：院長好。院長，坦白講，表現得這麼差，違法任用人事；還違法進口輸出液；中火增加煙囪管，荼毒臺中人，這樣子你覺得總預算會過嗎？到現在還敢抗中保臺，出征劉德華！你覺得總預算會過嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：總預算跟劉德華無關啊！ |
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羅委員廷瑋：講了這麼多，不要只聽後面，前面最重要的，預算、人事任用的…… |
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卓院長榮泰：人事進用的部分，我也請衛福部要再詳細地調查、說明，也要跟委員做報告。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：院長，我跟你說，就不符合資格任用的林姓副審查員，我們就繼續，我跟你沒完沒了。10月23號衛福部高調地回答，錄取者雖然資格不符，但有多年的國會經驗，他們需要，尊重用人單位是以計畫經費聘用約用人員。部長，現在你有沒有請他離開？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們已經按照…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：有沒有請他離開？ |
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邱部長泰源：已經有按照要離職的方向在…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：他走了嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：以勞基法來處理，一定會辦理離職。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：我跟你講，我針對的是整個通案，不是個案，你們在媒體面前高姿態地告訴大家資格不符、國會經驗需要，現在你跟我講，私底下請他走？怎麼了？ |
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邱部長泰源：不是私底下…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：不是沒有錯？ |
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邱部長泰源：是經過大家的討論…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：你要不要道歉？你要不要道歉？ |
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邱部長泰源：我想我們在任用的部分基本上都按照規定在進行。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：現在整個衛福部就是胡作非為！整個食藥署的人事約用經費竟有4.7億！我可以大膽評估，整個政府約用人員數十億的金額，就給你們這樣拿去包庇人事案了！食藥署之花去酒店兼差，沒有背景，馬上被懲處；現在這個林姓副審查員拖這麼久，你覺得合理嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們都按照程序來處理…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：什麼叫按照程序？ |
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邱部長泰源：不當兼職的，馬上召開考紀會…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：當時面試這個林姓副審查員時，就是勾資格不符，難道要我把所有內部的資料公諸於世嗎？整個資格任用過程就是違法任用！我告訴你，請院長承諾調查整個政府的約用人員預算中，有沒有類似這樣的案件？因為這可能違反使公務人員登載不實！資格不符還硬要任用，然後牽拖國會經驗？這件事我不是針對個案，而是整個政府的人事預算案都可能有這問題，所以請部長不要再亂了！整個邱式風格讓衛福部、食藥署的大家都很不習慣！我們要的是治理好國家，而不是在養你們這些綠友友、綠的子弟兵。所以我再問一句，部長，要不要道歉？ |
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邱部長泰源：委員，有關用人是尊重我們用人…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：你不願意道歉，現在卻要請這個人走人？你幹嘛請他走？不是沒有錯嗎？人民的血汗錢被你這樣子花？ |
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邱部長泰源：當時用人的過程…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：我不跟你談這個！ |
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邱部長泰源：我尊重食藥署的…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：行政單位的表現爛到爆！有多爛？我們來看看。針對食藥署的三件人事案，本席發文給人總、法務部及廉政署，副本我也給了院長室，得到的回函是什麼？我希望上級單位，至少作為第三方的人總、法務部、廉政署能督導食藥署與衛福部，結果人總回文給我竟然說：已經發文給衛福部，請衛福部自己調查處理。你的調查處理是這樣子，合適嗎？自己調查自己？我的天啊！你們的行政、你們的表現，人民可以接受嗎？自己管自己啊！我要要求…… |
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邱部長泰源：我們一切都按照法規處理，一定都按規定來用人…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：人事室、政風室自己報告自己，承認自己有錯，院長，這是整個行政體系在做夢嗎？這些人事案不是昨天才發生的，歷經數年，是我們點出來才處理，到現在還自己調查自己，我希望院長立刻撤換食藥署人事室主任、政風室主任，並要求人總、法務部五天內給我們相關調查報告，院長可以承諾嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員已經是第三次提出類似的案子，剛剛聽邱部長的答詢，他說任用資格有問題的這位同仁，現在按照勞基法規定在處理。如果按照勞基法規定，就應該有一定的時間，但我希望部長把時間講出來，什麼時候會做到什麼程度…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：我還是剛剛那一句，資格不符為先！所以如果沒有錯，就不應該請人走；你現在請人家走，就代表你有錯，但你又不願意道歉？ |
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卓院長榮泰：如果按照勞基法規定，就需要一定時間，之後我還是要了解在整個進用程序上，如果資格不符的話為什麼可以進用。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：這件事情我們後續再追，我們繼續。院長，針對現在輸出液的狀況，目前政策有五點需求，這是本土藥廠一直在發生的。院長，你自行看一下PTT…… |
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主席：對不起，羅委員時間暫停。其他部長請回，請衛福部備詢就好。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：時間還在走，不好意思，時間還在走。剛剛院長說時間暫停，待會要還我15秒。院長，可以開始了嗎？ |
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主席：可以。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：針對輸出液，現在本土藥廠有五點需求，我簡單講一下，為了配合政府的政策，補足輸出液現在的缺口，因此嚴重加班，超時遭勞工局稽查、罰款、記點，藥廠配合現在的政府政策，但是卻沒有得到政府的幫助，被罰、被記點是藥廠自己的問題，誰願意配合？輸出液如果最後無法補足缺口，最後也是人民受害，有產能但是人力不足，藥廠不斷地發聲是不是能夠比照過往的國家隊，能夠讓替代役或高階人力投入藥廠生產來增加產能？ |
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第三，配合生產250毫升、1,000毫升，其他生理食鹽水的規格、其他容量沒辦法生產，被醫院開罰、重罰，食藥署到現在沒辦法溝通、協調，只是道德勸說醫院不要罰，配合政府政策，前提都是配合政府，誰願意做？人民最後受害，這樣子的表現我在這邊發聲。 |
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健保署8月15號的新聞稿就有說過，為鼓勵國內業者增產，10月1號調漲輸出液支付價最高27%，院長，你知道嗎？這個是參考10年前藥品支付標準的上限價來訂定的，10年的波動、整個物價大家都有感，這種調幅完全無法滿足廠商的基本需求，我現在在講的是基本需求，連要謀生都不行了，怎麼去配合政府，最後沒有輸出液，人民受害，只是回到原先10年前的核價，專案進口可以用高價格給付，專案進口可以高價格給付，對於本土廠現在國產的量能卻沒有辦法給予幫助，合理嗎？又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草，所以我希望健保署以平時的價格，既然能夠以2到3倍進口輸出液這樣來圖利所謂的進口，為什麼不能照顧本土廠？ |
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所以今天我要在這邊講，希望院長邀集各部會，聽取業者的困難，邀集各部會一起協助衛福部處理輸出液缺口的問題，院長，可以答應我嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好，專案進口終究不是一個正常的常態啦，我們終究還是要靠國內廠商，國內廠商基本生產所需要的條件以及跟政府的關係我們要維持好，我會要求衛福部做好這一點。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：謝謝你，最後我要跟你講，簽購採購案是誰核准的？我想請問一下，就食藥署5月13日啟動公開徵求專案輸入，我有去詢問過，生理食鹽水有無依據政府採購公開徵求採購，若沒有，法律依據是什麼，可不可以回答？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們是用藥事法第二十七條之二，必要藥品的一個…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：來，抓到了，在食藥署的西藥供應資訊平台，重點是生理食鹽水就是非必要的藥！ |
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邱部長泰源：但是那個時候用類推，因為那的確是民眾需要的。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：所以藥事法第二十七條之二根本不能使用，你還在胡扯！為什麼你一直要胡扯？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們這個都經過非常嚴謹的…… |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
羅委員廷瑋：藥事法第二十七條之二不適用於生理食鹽水…… |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
邱部長泰源：食藥署都經過非常嚴謹的討論。 |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
羅委員廷瑋：生理食鹽水是非必要藥品，這個是你們開記者會說的。 |
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邱部長泰源：那個是用類推，因為它的確是民眾需要、醫療需要。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：所以你又是類推適用嘛！ |
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邱部長泰源：它是生命的需要。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：所以又是類推適用，上次我就問你了，你回答我說類推適用，你引用的是藥事法第六十二條有漏洞，有漏洞嗎？有漏洞嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：我現在要澄清一下，我們用的是第二十七條之二，對不起。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：所以又變了嘛！ |
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邱部長泰源：沒有，我們沒有用騙的…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：第二十七條之二，我跟你講了…… |
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邱部長泰源：因為上次的法條是原來的估計，後來發現這一條…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：那就不要開記者會告訴大家生理食鹽水非必要藥品，現在又用藥事法第二十七條之二，自己打臉，你的臉不痛嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：它雖然沒有列入必要藥品，但是去類推，因為它是人民生命所需要的，所以必須要用這個來類推。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：違法的專案輸入核准函，這筆錢怎麼付？全民買單嗎？總預算編列這樣子，對嗎？說得過去嗎？我上次問你的，用生理食鹽水要用消保法，處理了沒？ |
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邱部長泰源：那是不一樣的事情…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：還在逛百貨公司喔…… |
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邱部長泰源：藥害救濟法是有它的規定，這是有另外…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：藥害基金不賠！ |
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邱部長泰源：但是絕對會保障人民的…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：藥害基金跟我們回答不賠，要就去打跨國官司，去打消保法！ |
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邱部長泰源：我們任何藥品一定有保障，請放心。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：我就衝著你這句話，如果人民發生任何的問題，我就看衛福部要不要幫忙協助，所有的事情都是在維護國人的健康…… |
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邱部長泰源：沒有錯！ |
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羅委員廷瑋：這就是我們作為民意代表應該要做的。 |
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邱部長泰源：那也是我們政府機關必須要做的。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：問題是，我要邀請陳世凱部長還有林佳龍部長，請上台。 |
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主席：麻煩請交通部長、外交部部長備詢，衛福部邱部長請回。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：彭部長，也有你的事情啊，中火啊，你怎麼可以不上來？還是沒有環境部了？是空污污染部！ |
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院長，我就簡單請問你一個問題，中火現在二期燃氣環評在2個月內火速通過初審，環評大會不理地方政府還有環團的意見，現在煙囪管會不會增加？最終煙囪管會不會增加？ |
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卓院長榮泰：環評一定是照程序進行到現在…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：煙囪管會不會增加？ |
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卓院長榮泰：未來到2035年，只會有6部燃氣機組在正常運作…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：還有呢？6部燃煤機組備而不用…… |
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卓院長榮泰：那個是備而不用…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：中火的5根煙囪管要變成6根，這就是事實！ |
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卓院長榮泰：6個備用的機組 |
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羅委員廷瑋：你旁邊的就是所謂的污染護航部！我要告訴大家，在你旁邊的林佳龍部長，105年擔任臺中市市長的時候，他非常棒，他非常有勇氣，他通過了臺中市生煤管制條例。 |
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卓院長榮泰：這個到現在都還在適用，煤的使用量是受到管控的。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：107年你們將空污法修惡，限縮了地方政府為民服務、為民把關的權力，後面呢？你把生煤管制條例直接作廢，你對得起臺中人嗎？到現在為止，我們看到了中火有可能火力全開，燃氣、燃煤機組只增不減，王美花、蔡英文時期答應增一拆一，現在呢？跳票！做不到！我請問院長，你對得起臺中人嗎？代表臺中人，我們真的想要爭取自己的身體健康有這麼難嗎？你旁邊的都是臺中人，林佳龍部長臺中人，陳世凱部長臺中人，陳部長，我想請問你，作為臺中人，你做何感想？ |
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陳部長世凱：我在乎的是減煤跟減碳，如果可以做到減煤跟減碳，我覺得身為臺中人是可以接受的。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：所有的臺中人都支持增氣減煤，這是最重要的前提，我們都支持，沒有人反對增氣減煤，但現在看到的是，增完氣以後，你們所謂的備而不用，環境部開的記者會裡面很清楚地顯示，不是為了國安，不是為了戰爭，而是有可能是小老鼠，有可能是松鼠、蛇造成的跳電，我們就要火力全開。你自己也承認，晚上的時候火力發電高達95%以上，院長，火力發電有沒有高達95%以上？ |
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卓院長榮泰：在晚上的時候，如果是沒有太陽、沒有風力的時候它是有可能，但是那個時候的用電量…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：所以院長承認了，當全國火力全開的時候…… |
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卓院長榮泰：用電量是很低。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
羅委員廷瑋：臺中人就是用肺來發電！ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有，用電量在那個時候，總發電量是比較低的。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：臺中市衛生局提供的資料，肺癌是屬於很高致癌的癌症別，所有全體國人拿出你的帳單，看看你的帳單最近有沒有有感，台電的帳單越來越多，一手拿著你的財產，一手拿著你的生命！我要告訴現在的行政院，我們不排除所有的抗爭，空污法107年修惡，我們要把它修回來，我們要還權於民，還權於地方，我們要讓地方政府有權捍衛臺中市所有國人的身體健康，我們一定全力以赴。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，我們理性一點看這個問題，我希望台電告訴全國人民跟臺中市民，25年、26年、27年一直到35年，每一年燃氣發電的狀況、燃煤發電的狀況、空污減少的狀況…… |
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羅委員廷瑋：院長，你要還我15秒！沒聲音了，院長。 |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
主席：因為我們的時間計算是以1分鐘為單位。 |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
羅委員廷瑋：那你就還我1分鐘，院長，不好意思，謝謝。 |
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主席：沒有問題，因為我們剛剛答應補你時間，再給你1分鐘，請羅委員繼續。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：院長，你剛剛講的…… |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我會要求台電把每一年的狀況算出來，告訴國人，也告訴臺中市民。 |
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羅委員廷瑋：我們不放心現在的政府，一再地跳票，連王美花曾經答應的、蔡英文時期答應的增一拆一現在都做不到，你要國人如何相信現在的政府，備而不用變成常態使用，燃煤機組就是肺癌發電，我們走著瞧！ |
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卓院長榮泰：二期環評也就是一個氣換一個煤。 |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
羅委員廷瑋：院長，謝謝，我還你時間。 |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
主席：好，謝謝羅廷瑋委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及各部會首長的備詢。 |
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再接下來我們請登記23號賴瑞隆委員質詢。 |
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226 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-2-7 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
125 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-05 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138801 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138801_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年
度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─
詢答完畢─ |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138801_00004 |