| IVOD_ID |
156497 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156497 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-05T09:33:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-05T09:49:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/31e775e5ad017d41268a1ffb9b5ba05ee3fd33acf0e4cf8b21acfac236e8b07d6459bee0242884af5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:33 - 09:49:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第7次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席、在場委員、先進、列席政府總預算案官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體、記者、女士先生有請卓院長以及財政部莊部長和農業部的陳部長然後請經濟部的郭部長以及教育部的鄭部長請準備第二輪我們請卓院長、相關部會首長備詢總委員好院長好兩位部長好院長 |
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昨晚10點你回官邸休息了嗎?幾點?10點10點我在家裡在家裡你知道旁邊的莊部長幾點才能回到家嗎?我知道那個時候還在立法院審財政收支劃分法你知道當我們財政收支劃分法在裁會審查的時候召委國民黨的陳昱珍委員他晚餐跑去喜來登吃大餐把所有的行政官員晾在那裡不知如何你知道嗎? |
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我不是很清楚你知道後來官員離席之後省以很久的陳昭偉又跑出到議場來跑到委員會又要把官員召回來莊部長有沒有這樣子有沒有這樣被找回來包括本席我們折騰到超過12點還在委員會回到宿舍已經快1點 |
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部長、院長你覺得財政收支發分法在野黨要求增加的從多4千億到6千億不等撥給地方那當中央少了這4到6千億你覺得我們是要拿什麼錢去給地方是給國建國造陳將軍最關心的國建國造的錢嗎還是要什麼錢犧牲掉把這個錢撥給地方部長你覺得呢?莊部長 |
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跟委員報告,其實我們在那個中央統籌分配稅款跟一般性補助款跟計畫性補助款這幾年是一直成長已經到114年已經超過一兆所以我們把錢如果撥給地方我們中央少的錢來支付什麼?支付國防預算?如果說依照信行那個災難的版本最高有到7000多億7000多億好7000多億先停下來院長,如果中央少的7000多億什麼錢既然撥給地方了什麼費用我們也交給地方付 |
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是把老農津貼的預算支出交給地方來付?還是把中央對地方勞健保的補助款交給地方付?你覺得這樣可行嗎?我撥千億給你地方,那原來我幫你付的錢,老農津貼也好,勞健保補貼也好,我都交給你地方來支付,可以嗎? |
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所以院長我們要請行政院團隊跟全國人民說清楚 |
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這些錢都是人民的,你要交給中央來執行,可以。你要多撥7千億給地方執行,可以。但是呢,就像過去精神之後啊,預算隨緣而一撥一樣。撥給你多少緣額,也多少預算給你。撥給你多少預算,多少支出也由你來付。這樣的說明,人民才理解,到底這7千億不是憑空掉下來的,是從他們原來向中央請領的老農津貼,向中央請領的勞健保的補助,現在向地方政府要。可以這樣去說明嗎? |
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我們說明的裡面的重點有列出這一項,剛剛部長講過不是一個地方的,超過一兆零一百五十億,裡面就包含這些。好,謝謝,莊部長請回。好,議長、部長,我現在要來問的,就是灌白建設,來跟擁天保條顧農民,風災農順、好社中建、緊處理,請我們的政部長跟貴部長也請來準備,請請教議長跟部長,議長,是不是所有的農民都是中農? |
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不是啦齁,意思是說,農民裡面是正中的那些,還是不是正中的那些?不是啦 |
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政調會不會再多?政調會不會再多,不然你看看,我們來看,農作物的民宅裡面,我們的豬米真的是占三成,我們的農戶裡面的豬籠也是差不多占三成,但是三成的民宅的生產價值就不夠是三成,這就是為什麼政調會不會賺錢,因為政調價值也是供牛收工的原因。 |
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議員,你認為多少正中外的中農可以交公牛? |
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負合主計 負合主計 一直跟你講啦 差不多三成啦 三分之一啦 全國的 中央戰 全國農夫的三成 議長請對話 可以交公寓的 也差不多三分之一所以你要看 是最終可以交公寓 平時政府公寓稍更好處的 農民不夠一成請問你可不可以知道 對一個縣市 公寓交通費 |
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你知不知道,部長跟他講婚姻啊婚姻,婚姻到同時啦,我們來看婚姻到中華來比,他是專顧高工業超過一成半的但是中華,不管他的政策的面積,還是他的善良的比例,他都比婚姻多,給他1%、2%但是婚姻、收工的比例,超過中華地理名的10%所以你要知道,工業、收工在差的,經常人、教授人,部長、議長,議長你有同意嗎? |
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我跟委員報告,就是說公牛的部分因為無綱的關係,它的生產的面積不一樣,但...所以說婚姻館的地位,當然要求公牛收工啦!國民黨全黨背後這婚姻館的在算啦!我們看看一年齁,公牛收工,好像介紹六十塊的,會發生什麼問題?我告訴你,馬英九的時代,公牛收工介紹,介3個、介2個加起來,從233個調到28個。 |
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這供需上會產生問題,他會可能跑到工糧收購,像我們長期推動的這些品牌。 |
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當然不願意看到...這種事情對公民真的有幫助嗎? |
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沒有幫助嘛,所以我們來看,為了這次的供應收工,我們政府付出這麼大的代價多少?補償是不是146億?現在國民黨的主張是不是要開146億?都總含本來的供應收過大概176億左右。好,因為請補償,即時補償去查。過去到現在,現在未來,供應收工有特定職所人在哪好處嗎?去請知好不好? |
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而且每年會增加九十億...要清雜啦!有人在公寓收工這地方好處嗎?這樣好不好?好!來!來!我們繼續看齁!但是農民的...你知不知道?農民所有農水樓的息息啊!我們的農水樓灌白呢!每年都在成長!每年都在成長要經營5億!農水樓改善、農田水利息息改善、配水的施設方便、農民的省產,就這樣開花!你們有同意嗎?是! |
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所以你要看,我們的總預算,總預算全國有37萬公頃,這是有冠牌,全國有57萬的農田,有六成市,是有農田水利息息的服務,對不對?沒錯,平均沒有到六成,比全國平均那多? |
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差不多五時三、五時四左右,比全國平均那幾天議長,現在這次都保證,農業設施的慣敗,便當加強好不好?讓我們能夠達到全國平均好不好?保證,農業部有需要的縣市要加強。針對有需要的這些縣市,我們會加強水路的一個設施。現在議長駁斥這個環節,便當不是什麼,便當是中央照顧受救,我們的所有的設施都比全國平均那麼弱,我繼續看。 |
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大陸這一位農民的鄉愁者,農民鄉愁的經濟部,經濟部長來齁,教育部長也來啦。我們的總副省啦,當地的啦,不是說電子,大家說齁,財政黨的團隊去電子,但是電子如果我們去過,農藥農民統計站,我們的一盒,用來給你用的電子,水車在排的電子,都是經濟部補助農民,農藥部長你說是不是? |
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昨晚一開始是農業部自己編列預算,然後之前就是由台電來補貼。現在政府省為了要接受人們鄉下的供油收工制度,才要把我們的政府省給凍掉。結果我們每年度農民、農業營電的補貼發不出去,因為你有沒有希望這個事情發生? |
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當然要照顧農民所以每一個農民都享受到農業用電的補貼為了接受人沒有辦法享受到我們來看繼續看來我們的農民用電差不多24億我們的土地農水農40億加起來100.9億農電水2.4億來補充這個三個方塊農村差不多多少錢 |
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那個楷米颱風最後的結算大概是44億然後山陀爾是6億這個是速報速報就差不多三十八億了對不對所以你看這三十八億加上農水路加上用電步走加起來都不用一百四十六億 |
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反對來說,這個公牛手槓就花一百四十六億,可以用來提升全國農民享受農水路的補助息息,可以讓全國農民享受到用電的補償,可以讓這個受損的、風態受損的農民去做補助,因為你們要加強來做這些的東西嗎? |
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主要委員說農民需要用電的步驟,這應該是全部農民都可以感受到需要到的。政府把我們的稅金放在這個關鍵的地方,好不好?是。好,來,我們繼續看。來,不然這樣而已,風太大有什麼事順?來,請正部長起來,抱歉,不然給過部長講好了。這個風的所在有嚴重嗎? |
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下一張 |
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你有去看過嗎?有你有去看過這個土盤,叫H港要弄一天多一天才有泡沫弄到對不對?H港要整個穿過那個廚房,那個鋼筋水泥的圍牆要拜託,公牛收工一百四十六億,用在大型電波廠、用在大型農水路排水、用在農民的農水路道村!我們起來讓我們的學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學生、學 |
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教育設施的受損是一定要趕快優先把它辦好,否則施生的安全慳慮,所以這個教育部會很積極地做好這件工作。好,請你把我們中央的學生不要讓教授去鄉修,要照顧全民好不好?照顧農民,照顧學生,好不好?當然,還要照顧民眾來,最後一項,這個已經過半天了,都要看你起來了,講到主來嘴,來,半天,全台灣啦, |
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全台灣吃煮來水的齁,同桌人吃煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌人沒煮來水、同桌 |
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因為你們才聽得清楚,全國主來水的破紀律超過九成,屏東到近年才不用講到七成,都差兩成,你知道嗎?要看多年,屏東關的官民才享受到全國平均可以用主來水吃到主來水。 |
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你不知道我告訴你啦,要90億啦,上一張,要90億啦,上一張,要90億,變坤坪來搞年,每年要變10億,後來在中央有一個無自來水地區的風水改善計畫第5期變75億,一年要用10億的預算,啊你都要搞年,因為中,民眾人會擔心久不久,你有要加薪嗎?不然中,你們有辦法加薪給民眾人,那早晚能吃就煮來水嗎? |
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跟這個委員報告,我們現在在專令來頒辦這個營工的這個作業,這個人工比較難吃啦。好,不管人工好吃、不好吃,我們有時候放進去,其他的部分我們提供來努力,好不好?我們來努力啦。好啊。一定。 |
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剛才說的公牛收工一百四十六億,可以開啟對所有農村農民的照顧,可以開啟對全部農業用電補貼農民的照顧,可以開啟對灌牌息息全部農民的照顧,還可以補助候群。還有一項,針對屏東,你可以給屏東的主來稅一年多一年多五億,我們可以提早三年,破紀律,對到全國的標準,拜託議長可以支持嗎? |
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當然支持委員剛剛的建議。最後我希望說今天我在這裡特別向議員拜託。我們在國會典禮當中,民意代表都要為民來請署。但是請行政院要注意,我們這次開下去是多少人受邀。不要說114年度的開下去是抱分婚姻關、特定的農會、特定人士的地域。我們希望這114年度的開下去, |
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好的,委員剛剛所說的,如果當中有不法的情形我們查出來,但是我也希望農業部在明年能夠針對一級二短生育 |
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謝謝。謝謝鍾佳濱委員質詢。謝謝左院長及部會首長的備詢。接下來請登記第18號羅志強委員 |
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鍾委員佳濱：（9時33分）主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請卓院長以及財政部莊部長和農業部陳部長，然後經濟部郭部長以及教育部鄭部長請準備第二輪。 |
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主席：請卓院長及相關部會首長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：鍾委員好。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：院長好，兩位部長好。院長，昨晚10點你回官邸休息了嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：幾點？ |
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鍾委員佳濱：10點。 |
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卓院長榮泰：10點我在家裡。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：在家裡，你知道旁邊的莊部長幾點才能回到家嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我知道那個時候還在…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：立法院審財政收支劃分法，你知道當我們財政收支劃分法在財委會審查的時候，召委──國民黨的陳玉珍委員，他晚餐跑去喜來登吃大餐，把所有的行政官員晾在那裡，不知如何，你知道嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我不是很清楚。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：你知道後來官員離席之後，神隱很久的陳召委又跑到議場來、跑到委員會，又要把官員召回來，莊部長，有沒有這樣子？有沒有這樣被找回來？ |
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莊部長翠雲：是，我們又再回到議場。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：包括本席，我們折騰到超過12點還在委員會，回到宿舍已經快1點了。院長，你覺得財政收支劃分法，在野黨要求增加從4,000億到6,000億不等撥給地方，當中央少了這4,000億到6,000億，你覺得我們要拿什麼錢去給地方？是給陳將軍最關心的國艦國造錢嗎？還是要把什麼錢犧牲掉，然後把這個錢撥給地方？莊部長，你覺得呢？ |
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莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，其實這幾年我們的中央統籌分配稅款跟一般性補助款跟計畫性補助款是一直在成長，到114年已經超過1兆…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：所以如果我們把錢撥給地方，中央少了錢來支付什麼？支付國防預算？ |
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莊部長翠雲：依照現行在野黨的版本，最高有到七千多億，是增加七千多億…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，七千多億，先停下來。院長，如果中央少了七千多億，既然什麼錢撥給地方了，那什麼費用我們也交給地方付，是把老農津貼預算的支出交給地方來付，還是把中央對地方勞健保的補助款交給地方來付？你覺得這樣可行嗎？我撥7,000億給你地方，原來我幫你付的錢，老農津貼也好，勞健保補貼也好，我都交給你地方來支付，可以嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：兩點跟委員報告，第一個，很可能會發生原來補助給地方的事務，相關的預算都會由地方來執行。但第二個問題是，地方執行的效果會如何，以及跨縣市、跨區域的計畫會如何執行？這個部分我們是比較沒有把握的。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：所以院長，我們要請行政院團隊跟全國人民說清楚，這些錢都是人民的，你要交給中央來執行，可以！你要多撥7,000億給地方來執行，可以！但是就像過去精省之後預算隨員額移撥一樣，撥給你多少員額，也撥多少預算給你；撥給你多少預算，多少支出也由你來付，這樣的說明人民才理解，這7,000億不是憑空掉下來的，是從他們原來向中央請領的老農津貼、向中央請領的勞健保補助而來，現在要向地方政府要，可以這樣去說明嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們說明的重點有列出這一項。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：很好。 |
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卓院長榮泰：剛剛部長講過，補助給地方的超過1兆150億，裡面就包含這些。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，謝謝，莊部長請回。 |
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院長、部長，我現在要問的就是「灌排建設用電補貼顧農民，風災農損校舍重建速處理」，也請鄭部長跟郭部長準備。 |
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先請教院長跟部長，院長，是不是所有的農民都是稻農？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：不是啦！意思就是，農民裡面是種稻的比較多，還是非種稻的比較多？ |
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卓院長榮泰：種稻的不會比較多。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：種稻的不會比較多。部長，我們來看，農作物的面積裡面，我們的稻米真的是占三成，農戶裡面稻農也是差不多占三成，但是三成的面積生產價值不到一成三，這就是為什麼種稻不會賺錢，因為稻米的生產價值低，也是要公糧收購的原因。所以既然種稻的農民不是多數，請部長跟院長說，是不是種稻的農民都可以繳公糧？有資格限制嗎？拿不到地跟國家租土地的農民，連土地也沒有的，沒有土地的農民種稻還有辦法繳公糧嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：繳公糧有一定的規定，不是都可以繳。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：有資格限制嘛！院長，你認為有多少種稻的稻農可以繳公糧？ |
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卓院長榮泰：符合資格的。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：直接跟你說，差不多三成、三分之一啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：三成裡面的三成。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：全國的稻農占全國農戶的三成，其中種稻可以繳公糧的也差不多是三分之一，所以你看，實際上享受到政府公糧收購這個好處的農民不到一成。請問你知道哪一個縣市公糧繳最多嗎？院長知道嗎？請部長跟院長說。 |
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卓院長榮泰：雲林。 |
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陳部長駿季：雲林。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：雲林繳最多啦！我們來看，雲林跟彰化來比，它是全國繳公糧有超過一成半的，但是彰化不管是種田面積還是產量比例都比雲林多，多了1%、2%，但是雲林收購的比例卻超過彰化第二名10%，所以你要知道在吵公糧收購的是特定人啦、少數人啦！院長，你同意嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，公糧的部分，因為不同縣市的生產面積不一樣，但整體來講…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：所以雲林縣的立委都在要求公糧收購，然後國民黨全黨陪他們在雲林縣玩。我們看下一個，如果公糧收購價調得很高，會發生什麼問題？我跟你講，馬英九的時代，公糧收購價格多3塊、多2塊，加起來從23塊調到28塊，民糧收購掉到剩19塊，這會發生什麼問題？院長，你覺得是什麼問題？公糧的價格高、民間的價格低，會發生什麼事情？會產生弊案！ |
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卓院長榮泰：供需上會產生問題，民糧低，它可能會跑到公糧收購，我們長期推動的這些品牌…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：我們看馬英九時代有什麼弊案？第一、調包，公糧到期是不能打入、當作食品來賣的，是要碾碎後做飼料米，卻有人調包，把這些公糧拿去賣做營養午餐，把做飼料米的公糧拿去做營養午餐，不然就是盜賣，甚至在屏東有一個農會理事長拿人頭來收購公糧。院長，你願意讓這樣的事情發生嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然不願意看到過去歷史重演…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：這種事情對農民有幫助嗎？沒有幫助！為了這些公糧收購，政府付出很大的代價，多少？部長，是不是146億？照現在國民黨的主張，是不是要花146億？ |
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卓院長榮泰：總共含原來的公糧收購大概176億左右。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：請院長指示部長去查，過去到現在，甚至未來公糧收購是不是有特定、少數人得到好處？去清查，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：而且每年會增加90億…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：要清查是不是有人從公糧收購得到好處，這樣好不好？好，我們繼續看，但是農民需要什麼？農民需要農水路的設施，農水路灌排經費每年都在成長，每年要成長將近5億，農水路改善、農田水利設施改善、配水的設施方便，農民生產就比較輕鬆，院長同意嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：所以你看總預算，全國有37萬公頃是有灌排的，全國有57萬的農田，六成四有農田水利設施的服務，對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：部長，屏東是不是平均不到六成，比全國平均低？ |
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陳部長駿季：差不多五成三、五成四左右，確實比全國平均低。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：請院長指示農業部長，加強屏東農業設施的灌排，好不好？讓我們可以達到全國平均，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：農業部針對有需要的縣市要加強。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們一定會針對有需要的這些縣市，加強水路設施。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：請院長保持這個原則，屏東不是窮，屏東是中央照顧太少，我們所有的設施都比全國平均弱。除了這個以外，農民可以享受什麼？請經濟部長來，請教育部長也來，總預算被擋住，不是大家說的在野黨反對漲電費，電費如果漲，農業、農民最悽慘！我們吃的蝦子，養殖戶用的電、水車運作用的電，都要靠經濟部補助農民，農業部長說是不是？ |
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陳部長駿季：從明年開始，是農業部自己編列預算。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：對。 |
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陳部長駿季：之前是由台電來補貼。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：現在為了少數人享受的公糧收購制度，在野黨把總預算擋住，結果明年度農民農業用電的補貼發不出去。院長，你希望這件事情發生嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然要照顧農民基礎的需要。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：每一個農民都享受得到的農業用電補貼，為了少數人，卻沒辦法享受到。農民用電補貼差不多24億，剛才提到的農水路補助46億，加起來109億，包括農田水利設施。部長，這次三個颱風的農損差不多多少錢？ |
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陳部長駿季：凱米颱風到最後的結算大概是44億、山陀兒是6億，這個是速報。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：速報就差不多38億了，對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：你看這38億，加上農水路及用電補助，加起來都不到146億。反過來說，光是公糧收購就要花146億，可以用來提升全國農民享受的農水路設施補助，可以讓全國農民享受到用電的補貼，也可以讓這次颱風受損的農民得到補助。院長，你有要加強來做這些東西嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然，剛才委員所說的農民需要的用電補助，應該是全部農民都可以感受得到、需要的…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：所以我希望政府把我們的稅金用在這個關鍵的地方，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，來，我們繼續看，不只是這樣，颱風還造成什麼受損？請鄭部長上台，抱歉，還沒讓郭部長講到話，這一次校園受災有嚴重嗎？ |
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鄭部長英耀：確實，山陀兒颱風在屏東這裡算很大的…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：是，你有親自去看，非常感謝…… |
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鄭部長英耀：我有去看幾間學校…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：你看看是不是下面這幾張照片？你有去看過嗎？ |
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鄭部長英耀：有。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：你有去看過這個廚房那一天被撞了一個很大的洞，好像炮彈炸到，對嗎？ |
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鄭部長英耀：整個穿過廚房的鋼筋水泥圍牆…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：是，院長，要跟你拜託，公糧收購146億剛才有說要用在用電補貼、用在農水路排水、用在農民農損還有剩，我們就拿來讓我們的學生讀書的校園趕快恢復，好不好？讓我們的校園趕快恢復，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：教育設施的受損是一定要趕快優先把它辦好，否則師生的安全堪慮，所以這個教育部會很積極地做好這件工作。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，請你把我們中央的預算不要只讓少數人享受，要照顧全民，好嗎？照顧農民、照顧學生，好嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這當然。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：重點是還要照顧屏東。來談最後一項，講到自來水，這時候要請郭部長上台了，部長，全臺灣飲用自來水，最少人使用但最多人沒有自來水可用的是哪一個縣市？ |
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郭部長智輝：接水、接管不太順利…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：接管的普及率是不是屏東最少？屏東最少嘛！ |
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郭部長智輝：現在屏東從106年50.83%提升到113年6月已經來到71.53%。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：是，請院長聽清楚，全國自來水的普及率超過九成，屏東到今年才勉強到七成，還差兩成，你知道要花多少年，屏東縣縣民才能享受並達到全國的平均值而可以使用自來水、飲用自來水？你不知道，我跟你說啦，要90億！要90億啦！平均在未來九年每年要編10億，幸好中央有一個無自來水地區供水改善計畫第五期編75億，一年要用10億的預算，這樣就要九年，院長，屏東人會不會等太久？你有要加強嗎？部長，你們有辦法加強讓屏東人早點可以飲用自來水嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：跟委員報告，我們現在在全力來趕辦延管作業，但找人力比較困難。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，不管人力是否好找，我們把預算編下去，其他的部分讓我們地方來努力，好不好？我們來努力啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：好啊！ |
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鍾委員佳濱：院長，剛才說的公糧收購146億，可以花在所有農損及農民的照顧，可以花在對全部農業用電的補貼及農民的照顧，可以花在對灌排設施全部農民的照顧，還有可以補助校園，還有一項，針對屏東，你可以讓屏東的自來水一年不用花很多錢，只要一年多5億，我們可以提早三年讓普及率跟上全國的標準，拜託院長，可以來支持嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然支持委員剛剛的建議。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，謝謝。最後，我希望，今天我在這裡就要跟院長拜託，我們在國會殿堂當中，民意代表當然為民來爭取，但是請行政院要注意，我們這些錢花下去是多少人受益，不要讓這146億花下去是部分雲林縣特定的農會、特定人士在得利，我們希望這146億花下去，用電的農民得到補助，灌排設施的農民得到補助，我們的農損得到救助，我們的校園蓋得更快，還有屏東縣的自來水可以早一天達到全國平均九成，每年多編預算給屏東縣做自來水，你說，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好的，委員剛剛所說的，如果當中有不法的情形，我們查出來，但是我也希望農業部在明年針對「1集、2轉、3加3」這個部分能夠有新的作為，讓農民能夠感受到確實政府的政策是普遍照顧到所有的農民，應該提出新的制度。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，感謝院長、感謝部長。 |
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主席：謝謝，謝謝鍾佳濱委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及部會首長的備詢。 |
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接下來請登記第18號羅智強委員質詢。 |
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226 |
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院會-11-2-7 |
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韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
鍾佳濱 |
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羅智強 |
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王定宇 |
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牛煦庭 |
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劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
賴士葆 |
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邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
徐欣瑩 |
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郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
高金素梅 |
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賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
王美惠 |
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125 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-05 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138801 |
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1138801_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第7次會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「114年
度中央政府總預算案」及「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─
詢答完畢─ |
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1138801_00004 |