| IVOD_ID |
156414 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156414 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-04T11:01:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-04T11:09:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4be73137691ca4083c5fcf9d8669f912d5d11c4821fdba7d72b3567a8930802c2dc82480404c6b195ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:25 - 11:09:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長、交通部民用航空局局長、交通部航港局局長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長、桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長、臺灣港務股份有限公司董事長、外交部、內政部國家公園署、農業部林業及自然保育署及行政院消費者保護處就「如何提升國外旅客來台觀光人數暨優化國旅體驗及降低旅遊消費爭議」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請交通部觀光署署長、交通部公路局局長、交通部高速公路局局長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「2025台灣燈會辦理情形暨交通疏運方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長陳部長還有工種工路總局陳維銳局長陳局長好 |
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董事長今天跟你探討一下這條路我在上個禮拜有去會勘這條路在台南惡名昭彰這個是台19甲線台19甲線就是新化的外環道 |
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我相信你可能沒照過 新華你知道嗎新華我忘記過了 就是這條線大概沒照過新華你忘記過了喔那新 那新華有一個老街啦在古崎嶇啦就是來 上一檔就新華那個老街齁 |
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這裡這裡喔那新華市區啊它那個老街啊大概只有12米啦你如果去過新華你就知道喔它那10米的旁邊都是一些古建築我們把它撈下來叫做新華老街那12米那車輛進出當然就車輛量小嘛所以那時候就開闢這個黃色的這個叫外環道就是那外環道啊現在可能是臺南外環道裡面喔我看全台灣來比大概比最爛的 |
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有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署 |
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就是他南北兩個路南北兩個作向一個是往一個是新化往北就是他站在往北這裡往南,這裡往到關廟那中間就是我今天要講的這個外環島我以平均車流量往南到往北車流量差不多一萬多啦但是新化外環島的車流量只有兩千多我們再回上一張 |
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所以你懂我意思吧就是說他下面的車道啊很多車那上面也很多車反而外環道啊沒有車為什麼他不願意走那不願意走你知道再回去塞那個舊的那條12米的小路嘛那你外環道就失去了它的作用 |
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這條歐安道在2014年2015年花了17億30米的很寬的一條那設計不良在什麼地方他第一年就撞死5個人等下就失火的人然後他趕快去亂改號誌 |
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那改良也沒辦法改善啦 過去6年來過去6年 我跟你算車禍數字啦過去6年啦 新發的多寬度啦車禍發生289件A2啦 但是有人受傷的 有人輕重傷的223件 剩下車禍消容的61件啦6年發生289件車禍就表示這第一個 這條車的流量那麼小 沒有人要走 |
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沒有人要走反而車禍還發生那麼多件那可見這個道路已經是非常可怕了那工種也擺爛了那放在那裡有沒有管理啊已經跟你們反映很多次了那這次我上個禮拜就會刊了總算工種有提出計畫短中長期要把改善這條道路這條道路我們再下一張 |
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叫鐵路齁部長你有看到這個綠色的齁有那個不是安全島欸那個是人行道啦你有看過人行道在快慢車道中間的在設計上在法律上它是人行道齁 |
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那你怎麼去...你的人要怎麼走人行道?你怎麼走不上去?一邊機車道,一邊快車道啊你人根本走不...沒辦法走到這個人行道啊而且他很高耶,他頭一米多高啦那老人家你背不上去啦當時設計應該是有問題那你現在啊,長期計劃要把這個打掉啦你扔了要打掉它啦 |
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因為法律上你設計它是人行道,所以你要把它打掉,要再做環差啦但是喔,這個如果不可以繼續擺爛,你新華、外環島,你媽想要壓蓋啦 |
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我請充分的局長來你了解這個案子嗎有有有謝謝委員10月29號會刊那短中長期就是長期的部分確實就像委員說的因為他現在有那個快慢車分隔道分隔帶然後這個直行的跟右轉的其實會有一些車流的問題那人行又擺在那個快慢車分隔道所以我們大概基本上就是說長期會做這個環差把這個 |
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有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司 |
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有6個紅色燈2個閃黃燈所以機車走走停停機車的綠燈都超過20秒紅燈燈都熬到8、5秒所以機車根本沒辦法走所以他受不了經常會有騎機車的他就會闖紅燈然後快車道的車輛右轉他又沒有專用號誌你看這30米 |
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那個大車啊大車在這裡右轉啊我們沒有專用號誌啊所以經常會擦撞我們弄到機車就開車給你收攏所以這個部分的號誌啊這個短期內啊要馬上去做啦外港有很多市政府交通局去啦所以市政府交通局因為號誌的地方他要管嘛所以你公眾要跟我講跟市府的交通局做一個配合啦那去我們隨機做啦他之前給我答應12位喔 |
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12年你短期就把它做完啊好啊中期就是你趕快去做那個標籤的設計那標籤要重畫啦對標籤要重畫啊啊但是沒應用啦齁 你要用同步進行啦你今天做反差啦你把這個安裝到補都給剋掉了對 沒有錯你開17天 一個月的車輛2000幾台沒差錢你要後備做 |
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有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司董事長、外交部國家公園署有限公司 |
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林委員俊憲：（11時1分）好，謝謝主席。本席邀請我們交通部陳部長。 |
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主席：陳部長。 |
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林委員俊憲：還有公路總局陳局長。 |
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主席：請公路總局陳文瑞局長。 |
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陳部長世凱：委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲：部長好。今天跟你探討一下這條路，我在上個禮拜有去會勘，這條路在臺南惡名昭彰，這個是台19甲線，就是新化的外環道，我想你可能沒走過，新化，你知道嗎？ |
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陳部長世凱：新化我有去過，但是這條線大概沒走過。 |
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林委員俊憲：你去過新化嘛，新化有一個老街在舊市區，新化市區那個老街大概只有12米，你如果有去過新化就會知道，它是12米，旁邊都是一些老建築，我們把它留下來叫做新化老街，只有12米，車輛進出當然交通量就小，所以那時候就開闢這條黃色的叫外環道，這條外環道現在可能是在臺南外環道裡面，我看以全臺灣來比大概是最爛的，設計非常糟糕。 |
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這條外環道，第一個，沒有人願意走那一條，我現在給你看這個黃色的路線，它有南北兩個坐向，一個是新化往北，往南是到關廟，中間就是我今天要講的這個外環道，我以平均車流量來看，往南到往北車流量差不多都一萬多，但是新化外環道的車流量只有兩千多，所以你懂我的意思吧？它下面的車道很多車，上面也很多車，但外環道沒有車，為什麼？ |
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陳部長世凱：他不願意走。 |
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林委員俊憲：他不願意走，不願意走就只好再回去塞舊的那條12米的小路，外環道就失去了它的作用，這條外環道在104年（2015年）花了17億，30米，很寬的一條，但設計不良在什麼地方？在第一年就撞死5個人，然後就趕快去亂改號誌，但改了也沒辦法改善。我跟你算過去六年來的車禍數字，過去六年新化外環道車禍發生兩百八十多件，A2，就是有人受傷、輕重傷的223件，剩下的是車禍相撞61件，六年發生兩百八十多件車禍，這就表示，第一、這條路的流量那麼小，沒有人要走，反而還發生那麼多件車禍，可見這個道路已經是非常可怕了，公總也擺爛，放在那裡不管，已經跟你們反映很多次了。 |
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這一次我上個禮拜去會勘，公總總算有提出短中長期計畫，要來改善這條道路。有關這條道路，部長，你有看到這個綠色的？ |
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陳部長世凱：有。 |
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林委員俊憲：那不是安全島，那是人行道，你有看過人行道在快慢車道中間的嗎？在設計上、在法律上它是人行道，人要怎麼走到人行道？根本就走不上去，一邊是機車道、一邊是快車道，人根本沒辦法走到人行道，而且它很高，差不多一米多的高度，老人絕對爬不上去。 |
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陳部長世凱：當時設計應該是有問題。 |
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林委員俊憲：你現在的長期計畫要把這個打掉，因為在法律上，你設計它是人行道，所以你把它打掉還要再做環差，但是新化外環道這條路不可以繼續擺爛，馬上就要修改。我請問陳文瑞局長，你了解這個案子嗎？ |
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陳局長文瑞：有，謝謝委員10月29號會勘，短中長期，其中長期的部分確實就像委員說的，因為它現在有快慢車分隔道、分隔帶，然後直行的跟右轉的其實會有一些車流的問題，人行又擺在快慢車分隔道，所以我們基本上針對長期會做環差，把這一個快慢車分隔島去除掉，然後整個路型再調整，短中期大概就是路口的一些標誌、標線跟紅綠燈的號誌先來調整。 |
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林委員俊憲：這條路很危險的原因就是快慢車的號誌不一致，尤其是機車，當年設計不良，1公里裡面有6個紅綠燈、2個閃黃燈，所以機車走走停停，機車道的綠燈都差不多20秒，紅燈還有150秒的，所以機車根本沒辦法走，他受不了就經常會有騎機車的人闖紅燈，然後快車道的車輛右轉又沒有專用號誌，你看這30米的路，大車在這裡右轉，沒有專用號誌，所以經常會擦撞，不是撞到機車，就是汽車互撞，所以這個部分的號誌短期內要馬上去做。 |
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陳部長世凱：是。 |
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林委員俊憲：我那天也有約市政府交通局一起去看，因為號誌是地方政府在管的，所以公總要趕快跟市府交通局做一個配合，短期要馬上去做，他們現在有答應我在12月底就要把短期做完。 |
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陳局長文瑞：好。 |
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林委員俊憲：中期就是要趕快去做標線的設計，標線要重畫。 |
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陳局長文瑞：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：但是沒有影響，你可以同步進行，你趕快去做環差，把安全島都打掉，你花了17億，一天的車流兩千多輛，浪費錢亂做，它的上下兩段車流量都是一萬多，外環道的作用就是要能夠快速的閃開舊市區，所以叫外環道。 |
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陳部長世凱：對，紓解交通。 |
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林委員俊憲：結果你做好以後，大家寧願再回去擠新化的舊市區，沒人要走這個外環道了，所以這一條路已經擺爛那麼多年。部長，我剛才給你看那個車禍的數字，那是很恐怖的，六年多發生兩百八十幾件大小車禍，這實在很可怕。有關短中長期，短期的部分我們在今年年底前應該就要看到了，中長期再請公總加油，趕快幫我們做一做，感謝部長、感謝局長、謝謝主席。 |
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陳局長文瑞：是、好。 |
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陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝林委員。 |
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接下來有請廖先翔委員發言。 |
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198 |
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委員會-11-2-23-8 |
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魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
李昆澤 |
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林沛祥 |
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林國成 |
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何欣純 |
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游顥 |
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陳素月 |
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林俊憲 |
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廖先翔 |
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陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
蔡其昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
許智傑 |
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王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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羅智強 |
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麥玉珍 |
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徐巧芯 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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陳俊宇 |
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林月琴 |
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陳冠廷 |
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黃國昌 |
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林倩綺 |
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黃健豪 |
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121 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-04 |
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1139301 |
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1139301_00003 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長、交通部民用航空局局長、交通部航港局局長、
國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長、桃園國際機場股份有限
公司董事長、臺灣港務股份有限公司董事長、外交部、內政部國家公園署、農業部林業及自然保
育署及行政院消費者保護處就「如何提升國外旅客來台觀光人數暨優化國旅體驗及降低旅遊消費
爭議」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請交通部觀光署署長、交通部公路局局長、交通部高速
公路局局長、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長及桃園國際
機場股份有限公司董事長就「2025台灣燈會辦理情形暨交通疏運方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1139301_00002 |