| IVOD_ID |
156325 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156325 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-30T12:26:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-30T12:33:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/da0d5cdf8d126adeeb7642cb9d4ab849b22eacfd31272a3df293381db574b3e96f56bf4e46f5f0685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:26:40 - 12:33:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請經濟部部長、環境部首長就「我國對設置SRF發電廠之規劃評估，及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請羅智強委員質詢。主席有請部長。委員好。部長好。請問你去過桃園的觀音區嗎? |
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沒有沒有齁當然也不可能直接跟桃園的觀音區的民眾有實際的交流嘛業務上都沒有都沒有了齁我事實上我在桃園觀音區的馬路邊齁睡了兩天睡了兩個晚上你知道為什麼嗎不清楚因為那時候我們的民進黨政府答應觀音人說藻礁要永存 |
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就後來睡了兩天也沒用我是陪著觀音的民眾想要來守護藻礁最後一樣照樣開發了那另外我也去了觀音好幾趟那再次去觀音我想部長就猜得到就跟今天的主題有關是什麼原因去觀音猜得到吧就是SRF的設廠你知道觀音人的態度是什麼嗎 |
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你知道嗎?因為我沒有觀音人的朋友所以我不太清楚我告訴你觀音的朋友覺得真的很悲情實際上以過去的選舉分析來講在觀音區其實向來民進黨的得票都非常的高可是觀音的人現在是很不能理解為什麼今天珍貴的藻礁那要觀音人珍視的藻礁被破壞 |
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然後呢現在又把三家SRF的這個發電廠要放到觀音去其實觀音的人很不能理解我聽了很多觀音的朋友因為我實際到觀音去了很多次那我這個心聲顯然我覺得我們政府沒有聽進去但沒關係 |
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事實上桃園有這三家SRF的廠商進駐那桃園市政府其實跟地方居民多次向經濟部表達反對 |
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我記得在總質詢的時候那時候部長您曾經說了一段話說這個主導權跟決定權在桃園市政府部長你還認為主導權跟決定權在桃園市政府嗎是的還是喔當然那實質上桃園市政府已經兩次撤銷三家廠商的那個路源許可我直接說啦這不就是標準的兩手策略嗎 |
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經濟部一方面說尊重地方主管機關的決定．結果也要尊重溯源會的決定．而溯源結果推翻了桃園市政府的決定．我想請問部長．你到現在還真的認為SRF設不設．是桃園市政府說的算嗎? |
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這個規定就是這個樣子啊規定啊實際上他們說他們不設欸今天舉個例子齁我今天就中午想吃排骨飯對不對然後呢最後呢你今天一個手抓過來把排骨抓走就放一個空落在裡面然後你跟我講說你可以決定吃排骨飯啊蘇院會不就這樣啊他駁了今天桃園市政府的啊報告委員蘇院會不是經濟部 |
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那就是 |
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當初SRF之所以能設廠你知道最關鍵的文件是什麼鄭總不會不知道吧 |
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最關鍵的文件就經濟部的推薦函阿經濟部的推薦函是沒有法律的經濟部在這邊不負責任到說我的推薦函沒有法律效益那你發什麼推薦函那你發什麼推薦函阿 |
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你多此一舉嘛那不一定啊 推薦函來來來部長部長今天齁今天有個廠商一個詐欺集團他跟你講說叫你要發推薦函 你可不可以說發了推薦函跟你沒關係你可以跟我講發了推薦函跟你沒關係嗎 |
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推薦行跟推薦的單位當然是有關係嘛但是這個上面沒有法律的這個依據嘛今天你用中央政府壓地方政府現在事後推沒有法律沒關係我跟你講這一點關於區的民眾已經可以公判了 |
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你從人民的角度當初看的就是經濟部的推薦函你現在跟我講推薦函沒有效率就是所謂的誤會一場你這個說法你能夠說服觀音區的民眾的話那我告訴你我這邊建議部長啦你就去那邊睡個兩個晚上你看看觀音的人會不會接受你這個說法 |
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SRF的發電廠好啦好啦我知道啦反正發推薦函推薦函沒有法律效力發推薦函不關你的事就這麼簡單我非常的尊敬你你講得非常有禮但是我必須要依法行事嘛法、理、情你講得都非常有道理照文稅兩篇我有同情跟管這不能夠違法啊 |
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經濟部根據哪一個法律發推薦函的啊政策表述推薦嘛哪一個法律啊講給我聽啊法律名稱我們不是依哪一個法律嗎謝謝你口口聲聲依法行政連發推薦函法律依據都說不出來我告訴你依今天經濟部高興行政啦謝謝你啦謝謝你 |
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主席，有請部長。 |
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請郭部長。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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委員好。 |
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部長好。 |
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請問你去過桃園觀音區嗎？沒有。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:27:05.819000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:27:11.841000+08:00 |
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沒有，當然也就不可能跟桃園觀音區的民眾有實際的交流！ |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
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2024-10-30T12:27:14.122000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-10-30T12:27:14.562000+08:00 |
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業務上都沒有。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:27:16.403000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:27:25.346000+08:00 |
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我曾在桃園觀音區的馬路邊睡了兩個晚上，你知道為什麼嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
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2024-10-30T12:27:25.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-10-30T12:27:25.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
不清楚！ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-10-30T12:27:26.526000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-10-30T12:27:43.695000+08:00 |
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因為那時候民進黨政府答應觀音的民眾藻礁要永存，本席在那裡睡了兩個晚上，陪著觀音的民眾想要守護藻礁，結果也沒用，照樣開發。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.709 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-10-30T12:27:47.276000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-10-30T12:27:52.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
本席後來再去觀音好幾趟，部長猜得到什麼原因嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-10-30T12:27:52.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-10-30T12:27:59.261000+08:00 |
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跟今天的主題有關，就是SRF的設廠！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-10-30T12:27:59.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-10-30T12:28:02.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
您知道觀音人的態度是什麼嗎？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-10-30T12:28:06.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-10-30T12:28:09.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
因為我沒有觀音人的朋友，所以我不太清楚，沒有這個訊息。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-10-30T12:28:09.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-10-30T12:28:13.073000+08:00 |
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我告訴你，觀音的朋友覺得很悲情。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-10-30T12:28:14.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-10-30T12:28:52.282000+08:00 |
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事實上，以過去的選舉分析來看，民進黨在觀音區的得票率向來都很高，可是觀音人現在不理解的是，他們珍視的藻礁被破壞，現在還要把三家SRF發電廠放在觀音區，我去過觀音區好多次，顯然民眾的這個心聲，我們政府沒有聽進去。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.74 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-10-30T12:28:57.885000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:06.169000+08:00 |
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對於這三家SRF廠商的進駐，桃園市政府和地方居民曾多次向經濟部表達反對。 |
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0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:09.044000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:25.134000+08:00 |
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我記得在總質詢的時候，部長說過這個主導權跟決定權在桃園市政府，部長還認為主導權跟決定權是在桃園市政府嗎？是的。還是？當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-10-30T12:29:27.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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2024-10-30T12:29:32.659000+08:00 |
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事實上，桃園市政府已經兩次撤銷三家廠商的入園許可。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:33.900000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:48.167000+08:00 |
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我直接說，這不就是標準的兩手策略─經濟部一方面說尊重地方主管機關的決定，卻也要尊重訴願會的決定，訴願結果推翻桃園市政府的決定。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:49.949000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:29:54.812000+08:00 |
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部長到現在還真的認為SRF設或不設，是桃園市政府說了算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-30T12:29:57.687000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-10-30T12:29:58.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
規定就是這個樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-10-30T12:29:59.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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2024-10-30T12:29:59.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
規定嗎？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:00.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-10-30T12:30:02.028000+08:00 |
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實際上，他們說他們不設！ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:02.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-30T12:30:15.972000+08:00 |
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舉個例子來說，我今天中午想吃排骨飯，可是你一手抓走排骨，放了一塊焢肉在裡面，卻跟我說我可以決定吃排骨飯。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.766 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:17.072000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-10-30T12:30:17.432000+08:00 |
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訴願會不就是這樣嗎？ |
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0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:18.973000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:30:19.473000+08:00 |
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他們駁了桃園市政府…… |
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0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
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2024-10-30T12:30:19.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-30T12:30:20.473000+08:00 |
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報告委員，訴願會不是經濟部。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:30:20.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-30T12:30:21.473000+08:00 |
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我不是說訴願會是經濟部，我要講的是，訴願會駁回這件事，桃園市政府還如你邏輯上所說的，能夠主導跟決定這件事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:21.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-30T12:30:22.473000+08:00 |
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那就是桃園市政府送到訴願會的內容，訴願會認為不對，然後把它退回……好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:20.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-10-30T12:30:23.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
又推給桃園市政府，桃園市政府的錯，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.389 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:42.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-10-30T12:30:44.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
當初SRF之所以能設廠，最關鍵的文件是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:44.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-10-30T12:30:45.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你總不會不知道吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-30T12:30:59.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:00.798000+08:00 |
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最關鍵的文件？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:01.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:02.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
就是經濟部的推薦函，經濟部推薦之後…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:04.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:07.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
經濟部的推薦函是沒有法律的……厲害！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:10.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:13.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
經濟部在這邊不負責任的說你的推薦函沒有法律效力，那你發什麼推薦函？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:17.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:18.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
多此一舉嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:19.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:19.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
那不一定啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:19.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:21.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
委員寫的推薦函難道沒有影響力嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:21.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:23.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
影響力不見得是錯的。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:23.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:36.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
部長，今天有一個廠商，（是一個詐欺集團）要你幫他發推薦函，你可以跟我講幫他發推薦函跟你沒有關係嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:38.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:42.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
推薦函跟推薦的單位當然是有關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:42.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:43.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
謝謝你喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:43.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:44.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
有關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:43.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:46.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
但是這個上面沒有法律的依據嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:47.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:51.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
今天你用中央政府來壓地方政府，事後推說沒有法律依據。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:51.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-10-30T12:31:54.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
沒關係，對於這一點，觀音區的民眾已經可以公判！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-10-30T12:31:55.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-30T12:32:03.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
從人民的角度，當初看的就是經濟部的推薦函，你現在跟我說推薦函沒有效力，這是誤會一場。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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你的這種說法能夠說服觀音區的民眾的話我建議部長就去那邊睡兩個晚上，看看觀音區的民眾會不會接受你這個說法。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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2024-10-30T12:32:18.507000+08:00 |
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我可以了解，但是公家機關就是依法行事…… |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:32:18.507000+08:00 |
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2024-10-30T12:32:19.668000+08:00 |
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好啦，好啦，我知道啦！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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反正你發推薦函，推薦函沒有法律效力，發了推薦函也不關你的事！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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就這麼簡單！ |
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郭部長智輝 |
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你談的是非常有道理，我非常尊敬你…… |
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羅委員智強 |
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我不需要你的尊敬，我只希望你去心疼觀音區的民眾。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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你講的非常有理；但我必須要依法行事。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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法、理、情，你講的都非常有道理。 |
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郭部長智輝 |
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委員要我去睡兩天，我很同情，但我還是不能夠違法…… |
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羅委員智強 |
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請問經濟部是根據哪個法律規定發推薦函的？ |
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郭部長智輝 |
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政策表示推薦嘛！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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是哪一個法律名稱，講給我聽啊！ |
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郭部長智輝 |
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我們不是依哪一個法律…… |
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1 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:32:56.959000+08:00 |
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謝謝你喔！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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口口聲聲說依法行政，連發推薦函的法律依據是什麼都說不出來！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-10-30T12:33:01.924000+08:00 |
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我告訴你，就是依經濟部今天高興行政啦！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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謝謝你啦！ |
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郭部長智輝 |
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謝謝你。 |
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主席 |
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2024-10-30T12:33:06.929000+08:00 |
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部長可能不知道，經濟部有開專案會議，是官方的專案會議，並不是只有推薦函。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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請蔡易餘委員質詢。 |
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羅委員智強：（12時26分）主席，有請部長。 |
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主席：請郭部長。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
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羅委員智強：部長好。請問你去過桃園觀音區嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有。 |
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羅委員智強：沒有，當然也就不可能跟桃園觀音區的民眾有實際的交流！ |
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郭部長智輝：業務上都沒有。 |
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羅委員智強：我曾在桃園觀音區的馬路邊睡了兩個晚上，你知道為什麼嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：不清楚！ |
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羅委員智強：因為那時候民進黨政府答應觀音的民眾藻礁要永存，本席在那裡睡了兩個晚上，陪著觀音的民眾想要守護藻礁，結果也沒用，照樣開發。本席後來再去觀音好幾趟，部長猜得到什麼原因嗎？跟今天的主題有關，就是SRF的設廠！您知道觀音人的態度是什麼嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：因為我沒有觀音人的朋友，所以我不太清楚，沒有這個訊息。 |
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羅委員智強：我告訴你，觀音的朋友覺得很悲情。事實上，以過去的選舉分析來看，民進黨在觀音區的得票率向來都很高，可是觀音人現在不理解的是，他們珍視的藻礁被破壞，現在還要把三家SRF發電廠放在觀音區，我去過觀音區好多次，顯然民眾的這個心聲，我們政府沒有聽進去。對於這三家SRF廠商的進駐，桃園市政府和地方居民曾多次向經濟部表達反對。我記得在總質詢的時候，部長說過這個主導權跟決定權在桃園市政府，部長還認為主導權跟決定權是在桃園市政府嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：是的。 |
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羅委員智強：還是？ |
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郭部長智輝：當然。 |
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羅委員智強：事實上，桃園市政府已經兩次撤銷三家廠商的入園許可。我直接說，這不就是標準的兩手策略─經濟部一方面說尊重地方主管機關的決定，卻也要尊重訴願會的決定，訴願結果推翻桃園市政府的決定。部長到現在還真的認為SRF設或不設，是桃園市政府說了算嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：規定就是這個樣子。 |
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羅委員智強：規定嗎？實際上，他們說他們不設！舉個例子來說，我今天中午想吃排骨飯，可是你一手抓走排骨，放了一塊焢肉在裡面，卻跟我說我可以決定吃排骨飯。訴願會不就是這樣嗎？他們駁了桃園市政府…… |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，訴願會不是經濟部。 |
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羅委員智強：我不是說訴願會是經濟部，我要講的是，訴願會駁回這件事，桃園市政府還如你邏輯上所說的，能夠主導跟決定這件事嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：那就是桃園市政府送到訴願會的內容，訴願會認為不對，然後把它退回…… |
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羅委員智強：好啦！又推給桃園市政府，桃園市政府的錯，對不對？當初SRF之所以能設廠，最關鍵的文件是什麼？你總不會不知道吧！ |
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郭部長智輝：最關鍵的文件？ |
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羅委員智強：就是經濟部的推薦函，經濟部推薦之後…… |
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郭部長智輝：經濟部的推薦函是沒有法律的…… |
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羅委員智強：厲害！經濟部在這邊不負責任的說你的推薦函沒有法律效力，那你發什麼推薦函？多此一舉嘛…… |
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郭部長智輝：那不一定啊！委員寫的推薦函難道沒有影響力嗎？影響力不見得是錯的。 |
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羅委員智強：部長，今天有一個廠商，（是一個詐欺集團）要你幫他發推薦函，你可以跟我講幫他發推薦函跟你沒有關係嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：推薦函跟推薦的單位當然是有關係…… |
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羅委員智強：謝謝你喔！有關係…… |
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郭部長智輝：但是這個上面沒有法律的依據嘛！ |
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羅委員智強：今天你用中央政府來壓地方政府，事後推說沒有法律依據。沒關係，對於這一點，觀音區的民眾已經可以公判！從人民的角度，當初看的就是經濟部的推薦函，你現在跟我說推薦函沒有效力，這是誤會一場。你的這種說法能夠說服觀音區的民眾的話我建議部長就去那邊睡兩個晚上，看看觀音區的民眾會不會接受你這個說法。 |
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郭部長智輝：我可以了解，但是公家機關就是依法行事…… |
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羅委員智強：好啦，好啦，我知道啦！反正你發推薦函，推薦函沒有法律效力，發了推薦函也不關你的事！就這麼簡單！ |
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郭部長智輝：你談的是非常有道理，我非常尊敬你…… |
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羅委員智強：我不需要你的尊敬，我只希望你去心疼觀音區的民眾。 |
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郭部長智輝：你講的非常有理；但我必須要依法行事。法、理、情，你講的都非常有道理。委員要我去睡兩天，我很同情，但我還是不能夠違法…… |
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羅委員智強：請問經濟部是根據哪個法律規定發推薦函的？ |
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郭部長智輝：政策表示推薦嘛！ |
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羅委員智強：是哪一個法律名稱，講給我聽啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：我們不是依哪一個法律…… |
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羅委員智強：謝謝你喔！口口聲聲說依法行政，連發推薦函的法律依據是什麼都說不出來！我告訴你，就是依經濟部今天高興行政啦！謝謝你啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝你。 |
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主席：部長可能不知道，經濟部有開專案會議，是官方的專案會議，並不是只有推薦函。謝謝。 |
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請蔡易餘委員質詢。 |
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委員會-11-2-19-9 |
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呂玉玲 |
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林岱樺 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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邱議瑩 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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賴瑞隆 |
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賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
蘇巧慧 |
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黃國昌 |
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羅智強 |
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蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
王育敏 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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高金素梅 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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沈伯洋 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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陳冠廷 |
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涂權吉 |
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黃珊珊 |
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張嘉郡 |
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陳超明 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、邀請經濟部部長、環境部首長就「我國
對設置 SRF 發電廠之規劃評估，及設置 SRF 發電廠對我國環境之影響」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1139102_00004 |