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| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
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15:49:55 - 16:06:10 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第6次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院內政委員會報告併案審查行政院函請審議、委員王鴻薇等20人及委員李彥秀等17人分別擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案等3案。（10月25日）。 二、行政院院長提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。（10月29日）。 三、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。（10月25日）。） |
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時間暫停報告委員會現在議場二樓旁聽的是柯真委員特別推薦來臺灣文教經貿交流協會所好朋友歡迎熱情歡迎謝榮介委員請 |
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報告院長,我們請卓院長。麻煩再請卓院長備詢。市委,謝謝。董委長,辛苦。我這裡,葉委員在跟你這寸,說到我,什麼幾年我在說黑麵皮露來,要掛五年,也是在開玩笑。 |
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議長這很重要地球環境候鳥是一個相當重要的指標啊是的我不在開玩笑我知道委員是用心我們維護生態我告訴你2024年黑面披露全球的普查出來了 |
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每年到了3月普查就會出來大概我們農曆年過了完整的普查包括香港、越南、菲律賓包括我們台灣這20多年來的保育做得非常好從200多隻到現在的6,988隻可是今年就是到了6,988隻總數 |
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全球的總數今年就去年齁多了355隻355隻那是台灣的台灣我們台灣總共少了93隻啊台灣剩下4000台灣是4135隻我們比前一年少了93隻啊那台灣少了93隻你知道台南少多少嗎 |
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我告訴你 台南市少了191隻為什麼會這樣 那多的到哪裡去了濁水溪口跟屏東 他們太陽能光電沒那麼嚴重那這個數據 你就要繼續觀察 |
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增加一年,在明年後年,屏東,我過去補充說,屏東你太陽能現在漸漸在漸淡的時候,我跟你講,環境就會受到影響。你國民機構啊,這樣國民六百在寫的,環境應用,它就應用了嘛。它的密實,產生了問題。 |
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其實你有了問題候鳥不來這就是我們整個能源政策是否有偏差不管那不是你的酒割定的你要去救啊你要去做一個救援的人啊救援環境救援人員你對歐美納杯你就可以看到要怎麼去救啊那個苦藥基金正在收斬下去我們台南啊 |
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臺灣吃不夠!臺灣吃不夠!我才在說光天啦!要去火里賓吃來賭!不對,你說你是世間啦!我認為那不是世間!那是真心話!我最近看到的經濟經濟部! |
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海龍地火力兵在招商的。 什麼火力兵招商最近會這麼多? |
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火力兵正電? |
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這不是假的, 沒錯這是真的。 火力兵正的電要救回來台灣? |
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困難。 最好何況是什麼? |
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何況在美軍和火力兵, 要設一條綠燈要用很多電, 火力兵欠電欠價。 |
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只要這個電賬賺不回來台灣沒關係 菲律賓贏啊 到處的人都一樣賺啊但是政府有補助而已啊 切記 不然我現在真的把你提出警局啊這個事情發生 不能叫人撩到啊 有有撩人沒撩啊 如果這個事情再去撩到啊 |
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這樣就說雖然這有卡在電源政策的概念所以你沒帶沒紙你跟AIT講出來是要講的美國人變成無路可他不是無路可美國人是怕錢的人美國人是怕錢的人絕對不是無路可所以他會很生氣叫你講得清楚嘛你是一個生理人出來當然你不像其他政策你不像泰國生啊 |
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所以你這些人在說話我比較會聽你的,別人在說話我沒什麼要聽,我先輕鬆回應,我對你有過多的期待,漸漸,所讓我變成期待越來越少,慢慢,轉變成失望,我叫你變成失望,很正當的心情, |
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我看到所謂叫做賴清德的主帝兵,賴總統是檢主選的,對不對?是。派一個地方的主委,檢理委長才把你大債吃?你現在是怎樣?你是風景的天氣暖暖? |
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二、行政院院長提出賴清德政府能源配及電價政策專案報告並備質詢。 三 |
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你也很勇敢面對嘛,我主要是你的報告但是你的面對問題很多嘛,不對嗎?我在十幾年以來,跟你們討的資料啦我你們經濟部的伯伯說,不怪你們提供了移居的資料來這裡伯伯說嘛你跟我說李鴻、李素妮啦李鴻、李素妮,我們所有聯友 |
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這一點比較少啦齁。（年期）。）。）。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。（。 |
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聯企及討論三項（1524億多（可變2億1821億多（。（1524億多（每年可變2億1821億多（。 |
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您用正式公文,我常常說,我拿來這裡給你質詢,我給你繞腿一點意義,對台灣一點幫忙也沒有。你所有提供影響的資料,影響我可以特別來聽,我影響是要怎麼說的,面對台灣人文這問題。這問題不用迴避了,這件事情大家都正式來面對嘛,對不對,不要人家開罐嘛。 |
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我看你那個,當初給你大小聲,還給你拍手,這樣意思是甚麼?提總統給你修理,這樣是很不尊重你的。沒有,我尊重委員啦。沒有啦,他這樣就很不尊重你啦。沒有啦。那意思是甚麼?求輸輪輸,沒關係。反對甚麼?兩年前我在選黨員請教的時候,我就說這兩個會來我電廠,如果我動手,我坐地,不得我坐了。 |
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今天台南的鄉親 |
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他也都有知道說這個問題喔!他已經希望說他就來,既然你這麼餓樂意,感覺他有在電視上的情緒,有就!他就正式宣示一下!這兩個會議如果發展出,絕對不能跟進!好不好?委員報告,我他的聽術上開始需要檢討。在投標的時候,不用寬評跟電視政府的同意。 |
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但是得標的時候要去出這個 我覺得這個這個設計齁 檢測有些什麼問題 因為要去面對電的犯罪 民間的這個 它沒有公款 它實在沒辦法處理一些事情 民間的這個 它沒有公款 它實在沒辦法處理一些事情 民間的這個 它實在沒有公款 它實在沒辦法處理一些事情 |
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這要跟帝昂去參詳,我還是...沒有人幫你參詳啊,你...你硬拗,你還跟帝昂去參詳?你如果要參詳就等兩天喔,我起來你若不參詳,我一定把他加上去。你現在的意思就是,我們如果跟我一樣的路線,對這兩個匯率,我等一下...因為什麼?一直安定、善化...喔,我...我台南... |
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都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案。（10月29日（。 三 |
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因為就算開記者會等到表演（表演到大聲聲（目前這個階段是已經得標（已經可以做（但是跟電影（這個溝通（發生這個（溝通上的困難（跟沒有達成（這個事情要去努力（今天沒辦法努力（我們就再繞其他的手法（所以發展商又繼續做（目前的程序是這樣（它得標（ |
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所以他們起來表演這裡說要把它停下來,是假的?這不是表演,這是歡迎帝兄的聲音出來,沒有想到...所以你是補充到擬充嘛,這兩天有要把它...我還真是不瞭解 |
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報告委員,我們現在要修法。法令所規定的,我們要先討。 我就要問問跟你們拜託,問問跟你們說,你說沒有,他這麼大聲,你還配合他?我們鄉親都聽到他上來講國會這兩天要給他解僱。 |
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我們現在就要說這個問題為什麼會發生,我們要怎麼來改革這個問題,改革問題是第一個我們要做的,所以委員在提出的這部分,我們會詳細來考慮一下。 改革問題這兩天發電廠要改革起來沒有人。 |
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我想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想 |
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你很多官司吃水沒水口來,你那些官司有要起水口嗎?敢不敢起水口?我們台南市一年之內三、六十萬噸的水有夠多市民吃?你都水口說要吃水啊,不起水口來,啊你沒要起水口啊,我們台南市說霸帝就要把起管給一公車?啊你看我水給你吃,你電不給我用這樣喔? |
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沒有啦,委員,現在是這樣的啦,我們要看台灣是一體的啦。對阿,台灣一體,什麼你說,我們台南起飛來發電車,我們台南都沒火燈發電啦,太陽營也來啦,水也發電也來啦,現在回來的火燈也來啦,拜託阿,不然現在我是欠什麼啦。 |
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所以這兩天,現在已經有回到我的電車喔!啊你還加這兩天!啊他們為了炒賺起來說我,不用洗了不用洗了!啊你還給我吼!議員你講得很對!所以鄉親今天給我問說,梁家人,人家要停下來你還不知道!我反對兩三次,但我不知道說人家這兩個電車要被廢除了! |
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所以 行政委員會報告 請先跟台南的鄉親說說太虛度了嗎?我們現在就是要走這個定數嘛走什麼定數?走虛度的定數?這不是說我自己的企業 不然我自己的企業怎麼會這樣喔?你走虛度的定數 你要把當初建構的沒人一直吞了啊!是啊是啊 搞那個人要賠人家要找人家要找人家 現在沒有這個決定啊 |
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現在就是我 要再來了解啦 要修法 講好講好來來來 現在是有要停下來嗎 沒有這個過程 |
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大家齁 認情來講這個事 |
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主席主席 |
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這樣就表示現在有提到這條在興建的這個徽章發展中,你們不想停,所以就看我們台南市政府能不能停,如果我們停就我們的事,我們全盤要停,你們的立場就是不想停,是不是這樣?你知道我們的立場暫時不能停啊。 |
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好,謝謝 |
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謝謝謝榮介委員的質詢。謝謝主委院長、部長的備詢。 |
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謝委員龍介：（15時50分）報告院長，我們請卓院長。 |
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主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝委員，謝謝。 |
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謝委員龍介：卓院長，辛苦了。剛才葉委員在質詢時說到我，說什麼去年我在說黑面琵鷺來要戴墨鏡是在開玩笑，院長，這很重要，地球環境，候鳥是一個相當重要的指標。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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謝委員龍介：我沒有在開玩笑…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我知道，委員是用心，我們維護生態。 |
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謝委員龍介：我是很心痛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：是，我了解。 |
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謝委員龍介：我告訴你，2024年黑面琵鷺全球的普查出來了，每年到了3月普查就會出來，大概我們農曆年過了，完整的普查包括香港、越南、菲律賓，包括我們臺灣，這二十多年來的保育做得非常好，從兩百多隻到現在的6,988隻，可是今年就是到了6,988隻，全球的總數去年多了355隻，但是臺灣呢？我們臺灣總共少了93隻，臺灣是4,135隻，我們比前一年少了93隻，臺灣少了93隻，你知道臺南少多少嗎？我跟你說，臺南市少了191隻，為什麼會這樣？那多的到哪裡去了？濁水溪口跟屏東，它們太陽能光電沒那麼嚴重，這個數據你就要繼續觀察，增加一年到明年、後年，我跟郭部長說，屏東的太陽能現在漸漸在增加，我跟你講，環境就會受到影響，你們高屏溪口這邊是黑面琵鷺休息的地方，環境受到影響就會影響到牠們嘛！牠的覓食產生了問題，棲息地有了問題，候鳥不來，這就是我們整個能源政策是否有偏差，不管那是不是在你任內決定的，但你要去救啊！你要去做一個救援的人啊，救援環境、救援人員，你從黑面琵鷺就可以看到要怎麼去救了，我們臺南的那個區域光電種得太多了！說實在的，現在民間說臺南吃不夠、臺灣吃不夠，就是在說光電啦！要去菲律賓弄來湊，部長，你說你是失言，我認為那不是失言，那是真心話。我最近看到經濟部都在菲律賓招商，為什麼菲律賓招商最近會這麼多？要去菲律賓種電，這不是假的，部長，這是真的，在菲律賓種的電要拉回來臺灣很困難，最後好康到誰？好康到美軍跟菲律賓，要設一個雷達要用很多電，菲律賓非常缺電，最後這些電送不回來臺灣，沒關係，菲律賓用啊，投資的人一樣賺，但是政府有補助他啊。切記，部長，我現在正式向你提出警告，這個事情發生，不要被人家料到，「牛有料，人無料」，如果這件事情又被人料到，雖然這有卡到地緣政治的介入，所以你無緣無故把AIT講出來，老實說美國變成broker，其實它不是broker，美國是下棋的人，它絕對不是broker，所以它會很生氣，叫你要說清楚嘛！你是一個生意人出身，當然你沒有像其他政治人物那麼齷齪，所以你們這些人在講話，我比較會聽你的，別人在說我不怎麼想聽。我最欣賞卓院長，我對你有高度的期待，卻漸漸讓我變成期待愈來愈少，慢慢就變成失望，我快要變成絕望了！院長，我懷著很沈重的心情，我看到所謂賴清德的子弟兵，賴總統是兼主席對不對？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：派一個地方的主委兼立委在這裡對你大小聲，現在是怎麼樣？你是被人家叫來當擋箭牌的嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有啦，委員，如果是針對地方的需要和地方的意見在這裡公開來說，我想我們都要很謙虛來討論。 |
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謝委員龍介：兩年多前這些能源政策本來就不是你訂的，你是在這裡幫人家擦屁股嘛！要怎麼擦我們不知道，但你也很勇敢面對，從你早上的報告就可以看出來，但是你們要面對的問題很多。部長，我在10月21日跟你們要的資料，如果經濟部亂講，難怪你們提供給院長的資料來這裡也是亂講嘛！你們跟我說我們燃油、燃氣跟燃煤這三樣在2024年的總發電量是1,524億度，這是貴部給我的資料，然後你們又說明年（2025年）燃油、燃氣跟燃煤這三樣會從1,524億度變成2,120億度，這份資料你們用正式的公文給我，老實說，我拿來這裡跟你質詢，我給你漏氣對台灣一點幫助也沒有，你們所有提供給院長的資料，我早上還特別來聽聽看院長是要怎麼面對臺灣的這些能源問題。遇到問題不用迴避，執政黨、在野黨大家都正式來面對，對不對？看看要怎麼解決嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：像那個人在這裡對你大小聲、給你打槍，這樣的意思是怎麼樣？替總統修理你，這樣是很不尊重你的欸！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我也尊重委員啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：沒有啦，他這樣就很不尊重你啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：不會啦！就事論事，沒有關係。 |
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謝委員龍介：意思是要怎麼樣？反對什麼？兩年前我在選臺南市長的時候，我就說如果我當選，這兩個火力發電廠絕對不會讓它做下去！你們當時也沒有要站出來說話，等到它拿到執照了，中央、地方都是貴黨在執政，執照都已經發給它了，現在竟然為了初選要來大小聲，難道來這裡跟院長大小聲就有版面嗎？很好啊！你還幫他鼓掌、你還稱讚他，說他是為了地方。那我們正式來說，今天臺南的鄉親也都知道這些問題，他們說院長既然這麼稱讚他，感覺他是為了地方出來爭取，那就請部長、院長正式宣示一下，這兩個火力發電廠絕對不能核准，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，它的程序上確實需要檢討，在投標的時候不用環評跟地方政府的同意，但是得標的時候卻必須取得這些，我覺得這個設計多少有一點問題，因為要去面對地方的反彈…… |
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謝委員龍介：這樣要把它廢除就對了？ |
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卓院長榮泰：民間的這個……他沒有公權力，他實在沒辦法處理這些事情。 |
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謝委員龍介：感謝，這樣你們有聽到院長說的了。院長，這樣就是要把這兩張執照廢除就對了？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不是，這要再跟地方商量，我想整個人員…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒有啦！不用商量啦，你是院長，你還要再跟地方商量？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是這樣嗎？ |
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謝委員龍介：你如果要商量就等兩年後，我上去之後，你也不用商量，我一定把它「剪斷」。你現在的意思就是跟我一樣的路線，就因為這兩個火力發電廠是在安定、善化，我們臺南剛好沒有核能發電而已。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我想我們要分成兩段，基於信賴原則，因為現在已經進行到這個程度了，要怎麼去解決這件事情…… |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
謝委員龍介：要將它廢除嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
卓院長榮泰：未來這個流程要再好好檢討。 |
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謝委員龍介：因為我既然拿賴清德的牌子在這裡，等於他在質詢你就對了，就表示你們差不多有默契了，你打算這兩間電廠要「剪斷」就對了？要撤銷它的執照？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我現在並沒有做這樣的決定。 |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
謝委員龍介：沒有嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
卓院長榮泰：你也要考量民間投資的人現在投入到這個程度，我們要怎麼合理的解決。 |
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謝委員龍介：到底有沒有？沒有的話，他們為了初選開記者會在那邊表演，還表演得大小聲。 |
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卓院長榮泰：目前這個階段是已經得標，也已經可以做，但是因為跟地方發生溝通上的困難，還沒有達成共識，這件事情要去努力，如果沒辦法努力，我們就要再想其他的方法。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以他們的發電廠要再繼續做？ |
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卓院長榮泰：目前的程序是這樣，它得標。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以他們上來表演說這裡要把它停下來，是假的？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這不是表演，這是反映地方的聲音，我想…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒有啦！你們是部長跟院長，這兩間有要廢除嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我還要再進一步了解。 |
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謝委員龍介：什麼？ |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我還要再進一步了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
謝委員龍介：怎麼會這樣？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是啦。 |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們沒辦法，我們現在要守法，法令所規定的，我們要解套，解套後…… |
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謝委員龍介：我好好的拜託你們，好好的跟你們說，你說不要，他在那邊大小聲，你還配合他！ |
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郭部長智輝：這不是…… |
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謝委員龍介：臺南的鄉親都以為他上來講一講，這兩間要把它「喀嚓」了耶！ |
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郭部長智輝：我們現在就要說這個問題為什麼會發生，要怎麼來解決這個問題，解決問題是第一個我們要做的，所以委員剛才指教的這個部分，我們會詳細來考慮。 |
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謝委員龍介：好，要解決問題，這兩間火力發電廠要不要解決掉？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我想要去面對的是整個大臺南地區的南方S廊帶需不需要用電。 |
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郭部長智輝：對，夠不夠這樣。 |
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卓院長榮泰：如果要用電，大家要不要支持？ |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
謝委員龍介：你不要跟我說大臺南地區的用電，哪一個縣市的用電自給率都是足夠的？部長，你還說地方用電自給率都不足，當然要設發電廠，臺南市有差不多有10個水庫，國內有很多縣市要用水但沒水庫，那些縣市有要蓋水庫嗎？要蓋水庫嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：所以這就是…… |
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謝委員龍介：臺南市一天就送60萬噸的水給高雄市民用，美濃水庫……要用水但不蓋水庫，你們不蓋水庫，臺南市的壩堤還要再蓋高1公尺，你看我們的水給你們用，你們的電不給我們用，是這樣嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有啦！委員，現在是這樣，我們要將臺灣看成是一體的。 |
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謝委員龍介：對啊！臺灣是一體的，為什麼你說不夠電，臺南市就還要蓋火力發電廠？臺南剛好沒有核能發電，太陽能來了，水的發電也來了，現在火力發電也來了，拜託！現在我們是缺什麼？現在已經有火力發電廠了，你還加這兩支，他們為了初選上來說不能設、不能設，你還回說：對，委員說得很對。鄉親今天跟我說：「龍介，人家要停下來了，你還不知道」，我反對兩、三年了，還不知道這兩間電廠要廢除了，所以行政院長跟部長居然…… |
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卓院長榮泰：經濟部並沒有做這個決定。 |
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謝委員龍介：現在正式跟臺南的鄉親說一下，已經有要廢除了嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們現在要走程序。 |
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謝委員龍介：走什麼程序？走廢除的程序？ |
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郭部長智輝：這不是我自己的企業，如果是我自己的企業，不可以這樣喔！ |
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謝委員龍介：沒有、沒有、沒有，你要走廢除的程序，你要跟投資者說，不然人家一直投資下去！ |
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卓院長榮泰：是啊、是啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：最後出事是要找你還是找我？ |
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卓院長榮泰：現在沒有這個決定。 |
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郭部長智輝：現在沒有這個決定。 |
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謝委員龍介：沒有這個決定？ |
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郭部長智輝：現在就是要再了解，要…… |
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謝委員龍介：說清楚，現在是有要停下來嗎？沒有這個決定？ |
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卓院長榮泰：目前沒有做這個決定。 |
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謝委員龍介：沒有這個決定喔？要說清楚喔！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我剛才說的，這個階段是它已經得標，它要進行相關的程序。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以…… |
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卓院長榮泰：地方有聲音反對，現在停在這個地方。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以我們地方如果要它停下來，就還要我再帶人去抗爭，跟它拚命就對了？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這不是用抗爭、拚命…… |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
謝委員龍介：不是抗爭？ |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
卓院長榮泰：是合情合理來討論事情。 |
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郭部長智輝：我們是…… |
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謝委員龍介：合情合理，它就繼續蓋啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：大家冷靜來討論這件事情。 |
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謝委員龍介：我很冷靜，是那邊的人很不冷靜，說要停下來，你說好啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：還是謝謝委員跟我們說，我認為這個要綜合大家的意見，再來判斷啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：沒有啦！到底要不要停？你不能這樣，你跟一個委員說那樣，又跟我說這樣！ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有啦！法律上，它是得標的廠商，所以它有權利去跟居民溝通啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：部長，這樣就表示現在有拿到執照在蓋的這些火力發電廠，你們沒有要停止它，所以就看臺南市政府是不是可以停止它，如果停了就是我們的事情了，我們找盡辦法來停止它，你們的立場就是沒有要讓它停，是不是這樣？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們的立場暫時不能停止它。 |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
謝委員龍介：不能停止它？ |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
郭部長智輝：這法律規定的，它就是得標廠商，我們不能…… |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
謝委員龍介：不能停，人家在跟你質詢，你跟它捧場什麼？ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有，我們沒有跟它捧場啦！我的意思是我們必須要依法來做事情，不然我們訂這個法律就沒意義了。 |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
謝委員龍介：這樣啦！跟鄉親講清楚了，沒有要停止它啦！沒有要停止它就對了啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：依法要再進行一些程序。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
謝委員龍介：臺南人跟我說它要停了，你還什麼都不知道！好，沒有要停。 |
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主席：謝謝謝龍介委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、部長的備詢。 |
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報告院會，我們現在休息10分鐘。現在休息。 |
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休息（16時6分） |
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繼續開會（16時16分） |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
159 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-2-6 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
莊瑞雄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
67 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-29 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138401_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[1] |
1138401_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第6次會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
行政院院長提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─ |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138401_00010 |
| IVOD_ID |
156231 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156231 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-6 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-29T15:49:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-29T16:06:10+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |