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委員名稱 黃國昌
委員發言時間 12:13:35 - 12:20:51
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會議時間 2024-10-24T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議(事由:邀請國防部部長報告「國軍無人機運用現況與未來發展機會及挑戰,並就協助中科院推動民雄航太曁無人機產業園區的開發作業進度及概況」,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 謝謝主席 麻煩邀請副部長請徐副部長副部長你要按一下 要不然會被寫有有 幫我圍喔 可以了齁可以了可以了好 副部長齁 延續的我之前在最終的事情我的國防部去買那個抗彈纖維部要做抗彈背心 國軍弟兄的安全非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 所以我對於不肖的商人竟然用劣質的中國的布料來做什麼自國軍弟兄的安全與不顧謀取非法的暴力我非常的痛恨但讓我非常驚訝的事情是我的國防部在處理這個案子的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 戴墮鬆懈到一個讓我沒有辦法理解的程度啊我為什麼說戴墮鬆懈到一個我沒有辦法理解的程度啊來看一下這個是延續著之前我質詢的主題我也給國防部的同仁回應的機會大同公司大眾電腦
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 得標了以後結果竟然用中國製的布料偽造MIT爽賺六千七百萬這是之前早就發生的弊案我那時候就問一件事為什麼這些不肖的廠商還沒有停權你們說有啦有停權大眾公司啊停權了
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 拿到0.7億元的大眾公司停權了拿到2.45億元的大同公司竟然沒有停權我在追這件事情的時候啊我就覺得很狐疑這個不肖的廠商為什麼沒有停權是因為他們跟民進黨關係比較好嗎所以不敢停權他嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 是因為還有董事長去幫民進黨的立委助選所以不敢停權他嗎結果你們之前跟媒體說什麼2022年喔所依照工程會的調解所以沒有刊登政府公告我還特別跑去公共工程委員會問公共工程委員會的主委主委跟我說啊調解是私人關係啊跟停不停權的公共利益一點關係都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 第一個問題我上次問到現在你們國防部還沒有回我誰給這個媒體假訊息的查出來沒有報告委員這個是我請採購室的趙主任先跟您做個回報好嗎來誰給這個媒體假訊息的委員好這是當時我們國防部軍備局給的訊息但是先停一下軍備局的誰給媒體這個假訊息
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 可以這樣胡說八道報告委員 這個可能誤會他上面並沒有講說因為調解而不停權我來先看一下第三點本案依契約辦理交貨職研計法解約沒收履約違約金另依工程會調解未刊登政府採購公報這是不是你們提供的回應
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 如果媒體看假訊息啊要鄭重發聲明跟媒體抗議啊2022年發了這個聲明以後國防部一句否認都沒有到我今年開始問的時候說這個訊息不對啊
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 像委員報告其實剛剛委員所講的大眾公司已經停權了還有兩個案子我剛講過的廢話就不要再提了嘛我有質疑大眾的部分嗎但是他現在目前他當時申請調解那調解不成他現在申訴我就問嘛先停一下好不好你要在上面自說自話還是你要回答問題
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 國防部誰給這個媒體散播假訊息的?不用查嗎?可以這樣欺騙國人嗎?查出來沒有?國防部誰給這個媒體散播假訊息的?
transcript.whisperx[11].start 294.585
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 查出來沒有副部長要不要查一個禮拜之內查出來明白回報給我誰放假訊息給媒體的為什麼我對這件事情這麼憤怒來副部長請你往下看我一直在想為什麼可以沒有停權結果搞了半天以後什麼搞了半天以後啊是你們要準備要處理停權的事情啊
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 停權的時效早過了停權的時效早過了我在質疑了所以你們在搞什麼東西啊該停權不停權做假動作放假訊息能拖就拖能混就混然後等到說啊我們好像應該要辦停權了發現超過時效了我上面所講的這個歷程副部長請您看一下我這看了
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 超過三年才開始搞這個是在放水嗎這是在放水嗎我是有這個問題這是不是在放水
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 委員有關委員所質疑的問題我剛也跟委員報告過了我會在一個禮拜之內把這個案子我們再查清楚再向委員再做一個詳細的一個回覆這是我第三次質詢這個案子相關的同仁該提供的背景的資訊該做的處理應該都很熟悉了我再給國防部一個禮拜當初到底誰在包屁誰在鬼混混到什麼前一任的部長說
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 說這種事情我們絕對無法容忍結果大家就混嘛混超過三年了然後假裝要辦庭權發現說啊超過三年的時間沒有辦法辦庭權太離譜了啦一個禮拜之內書面回覆兩個問題一個誰放假訊息給媒體要負什麼責任第二個為什麼超過三年的時間當初誰在拖延的
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 這件事情一定要給全體國人一個交代,可以嗎?沒有問題好,謝謝好,感謝委員
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gazette.blocks[0][0] 黃委員國昌:(12時13分)謝謝主席,麻煩請副部長。
gazette.blocks[1][0] 主席:請徐副部長。
gazette.blocks[2][0] 徐副部長衍璞:委員好。
gazette.blocks[3][0] 黃委員國昌:副部長好,延續本席之前在追蹤的事情,國防部買抗彈纖維布做抗彈背心,因為國軍弟兄的安全非常重要,所以本席對於不肖商人竟然用劣質的中國布料製衣,置國軍弟兄的安全於不顧,牟取非法暴利,本席非常痛恨。但讓本席非常驚訝的是,國防部在處理這個案子的時候,怠惰、鬆懈到讓本席沒辦法理解的程度。為什麼本席會這麼說?請大家看一下,這是延續之前質詢的主題,本席也給國防部同仁回應的機會。
gazette.blocks[3][1] 大同公司、大眾電腦得標以後,結果竟然用中國製的布料偽造MIT爽賺6,700萬元,這是之前早就發生的弊案。本席那時候就問一件事,為什麼這些不肖廠商還沒有停權?你們說有啦!有停權,拿到0.7億元的大眾公司停權了,拿到2.45億元的大同公司竟然沒有停權。本席在追這件事情的時候就覺得很狐疑,這個不肖廠商為什麼沒有停權?是因為他們和民進黨關係比較好,所以不敢停權嗎?還是因為他們的董事長去幫民進黨的立委助選,所以不敢停權?
gazette.blocks[3][2] 結果你們之前向媒體說什麼?這是2022年的事情,你們說依照工程會的調解,所以沒有刊登政府公告。我還特別跑去公共工程委員會問主委,主委告訴我,調解是私人關係,和停不停權的公共利益一點關係都沒有。第一個問題,本席從上次問到現在,國防部還沒有回覆本席,誰給這個媒體假訊息?查出來沒有?
gazette.blocks[4][0] 徐副部長衍璞:這個事情請採購室趙主任先向您回報,好嗎?
gazette.blocks[5][0] 黃委員國昌:來,誰給這個媒體假訊息?
gazette.blocks[6][0] 趙主任亞平:委員好。這是當時國防部軍備局給的訊息,但是……
gazette.blocks[7][0] 黃委員國昌:等一下,軍備局的誰給媒體這個假訊息?可以這樣胡說八道喔?
gazette.blocks[8][0] 趙主任亞平:這個可能是誤會,上面並沒有說因為調解而不停權,這個……
gazette.blocks[9][0] 黃委員國昌:先看一下第三點,本案依契約辦理交貨遲延計罰及解約沒收履約違約金,另依工程會調解未刊登政府採購公報。這是不是你們提供的回應?如果媒體刊登假訊息,應該要鄭重發聲明向媒體抗議,2022年發了這個聲明以後,國防部一句否認的話都沒有,本席今年開始詢問,才說這個訊息不對。
gazette.blocks[10][0] 趙主任亞平:其實剛才委員所說的,大眾公司已經停權了,他們有兩個案子……
gazette.blocks[11][0] 黃委員國昌:本席剛說過了,這些廢話就不要再提了。本席有質疑大眾公司的部分嗎?
gazette.blocks[12][0] 趙主任亞平:是。大同公司沒有辦停權,當時他們申請調解,但調解不成,現在在申訴,所以工程會現在……
gazette.blocks[13][0] 黃委員國昌:先停一下,好不好?你要在上面自說自話,還是要回答問題?
gazette.blocks[14][0] 趙主任亞平:我們有……
gazette.blocks[15][0] 黃委員國昌:工程會的調解和停不停權有什麼關係?本席為了這件事情還跑去問工程會。
gazette.blocks[16][0] 趙主任亞平:沒有關係。
gazette.blocks[17][0] 黃委員國昌:既然沒有關係,你剛才在扯什麼?
gazette.blocks[18][0] 趙主任亞平:調解確實和停權沒有關係。
gazette.blocks[19][0] 黃委員國昌:所以本席就問嘛!當初國防部是誰給這個假訊息?不用查嗎?可以這樣欺騙國人嗎?查出來沒有?國防部是誰給這個媒體散播假訊息?查出來沒有?副部長,要不要查?
gazette.blocks[20][0] 徐副部長衍璞:委員,我們回去以後就這個案子……
gazette.blocks[21][0] 黃委員國昌:一個禮拜之內查出來,名單回報本席,誰放假訊息給媒體。
gazette.blocks[22][0] 徐副部長衍璞:是,我們查完以後會在一個禮拜內向您回報。
gazette.blocks[23][0] 黃委員國昌:為什麼本席對這件事情這麼憤怒?副部長,請你往下看。本席一直在想,為什麼沒有停權?結果搞了半天,是你們準備要處理停權的事情時,時效早就過了。本席質疑的是你們在搞什麼?該停權不停權,只會做假動作、放假訊息,能拖就拖、能混就混,等到好像應該要辦停權了,結果卻發現超過時效。本席說的這個歷程,副部長,請您看一下。
gazette.blocks[24][0] 徐副部長衍璞:我在看了。
gazette.blocks[25][0] 黃委員國昌:超過3年才開始搞,這是在放水嗎?本席只有這個問題,是不是在放水?
gazette.blocks[26][0] 徐副部長衍璞:有關委員質疑的問題,我剛剛也向委員報告過了,我會在一個禮拜之內把這個案子查清楚,再向委員做詳細回復。
gazette.blocks[27][0] 黃委員國昌:這是本席第三次質詢這個案子,相關的同仁,該提供的背景資訊,該做的處理,你們應該都很熟悉了,本席再給國防部一個禮拜,當初到底是誰在包庇、誰在鬼混?混到什麼程度?前一任的部長說,這種事情我們絕對無法容忍,結果大家還是一樣混嘛!混超過3年了,然後假裝要辦停權,結果發現超過時間沒有辦法辦停權,太離譜了啦!請你們一個禮拜之內書面回復。
gazette.blocks[28][0] 徐副部長衍璞:是,謝謝委員。
gazette.blocks[29][0] 黃委員國昌:兩個問題,一個是誰放假訊息給媒體?要負什麼責任?第二個,為什麼超過3年的時間?當初誰在拖延?這件事情一定要給全體國人一個交代,可以嗎?
gazette.blocks[30][0] 徐副部長衍璞:沒有問題。
gazette.blocks[31][0] 黃委員國昌:好,謝謝。
gazette.blocks[32][0] 徐副部長衍璞:感謝委員。
gazette.blocks[33][0] 主席:謝謝黃國昌委員,副部長請回。接下來請羅智強委員上台質詢。
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gazette.agenda.meet_id 委員會-11-2-35-8
gazette.agenda.speakers[0] 林憶君
gazette.agenda.speakers[1] 羅美玲
gazette.agenda.speakers[2] 陳永康
gazette.agenda.speakers[3] 王定宇
gazette.agenda.speakers[4] 沈伯洋
gazette.agenda.speakers[5] 林楚茵
gazette.agenda.speakers[6] 陳冠廷
gazette.agenda.speakers[7] 黃仁
gazette.agenda.speakers[8] 洪申翰
gazette.agenda.speakers[9] 馬文君
gazette.agenda.speakers[10] 徐巧芯
gazette.agenda.speakers[11] 賴士葆
gazette.agenda.speakers[12] 鍾佳濱
gazette.agenda.speakers[13] 黃國昌
gazette.agenda.speakers[14] 羅智強
gazette.agenda.speakers[15] 楊瓊瓔
gazette.agenda.speakers[16] 王鴻薇
gazette.agenda.speakers[17] 黃捷
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gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] 2024-10-24
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gazette.agenda.meet_name 立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄
gazette.agenda.content 邀請國防部部長報告「國軍無人機運用現況與未來發展機會及挑戰,並就協助中科院推動民雄航 太暨無人機產業園區的開發作業進度及概況」,並備質詢
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會議資料.屆 11
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議
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