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| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
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10:47:32 - 11:01:40 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部、交通部就「政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之具體作為暨如何協助金融科技及新創產業籌資現況與未來發展」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請各位先進有請金管委的彭主委彭主委你好主委你好 |
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原來大家都覺得你很專業勒今天一來的話變成你很政治勒不要讓人家瞧不起喔你還不知道我問題在哪裡先不要急著回答謝謝這個 剛才你回答啊這個說把地哥設高雄基國勒高基國這設高雄高雄有什麼條件啊你告訴我 |
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就是因為賴總統講的南部要討好賴清德啊這個你不要把專業弄掉讓人家瞧不起你喔其實真的沒有真的就是我剛才跟那個報告因為他這個他們已經在過去兩三年來就已經針對這個跟一家金融機構兩三年來台北市不是做了更多新北市也做了更多雙北當然現在有錢人都在雙北啊不是嗎請問你是不是 |
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因為我們現在所有的銀行的金融的服務機構總機構都在北部居多所以這邊的服務應該是有的就很清楚看得到啊你要做這個來我給你個數字啊你可以看啊我們的規模很小啊請問你請問你你今天講的亞洲資產管理中心呢最早哪一個總統提過 |
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這個資產管理中心我想過去有很多的名字以前比如說金融中心、運動中心哪一個總統提過我問你啊你都沒有讀一下啊今天人家一定問你這個啊2000年一年陳水扁就說了要把臺灣打造成為亞洲資產管理中心跟你講的一模一樣啊2020蔡英文總統還說要把臺灣打造為亞洲高階資產管理中心 |
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陸續都有總統提出來啊為什麼到現在為止鼓鼓鼓不怎麼樣為什麼啊就簡單啊你可以看啊臺灣的規模這麼小2500億啊人家你看香港的多少新加坡多少從這個數字就可以看得到 |
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這也是我們要努力的地方,我們的國民財富...啊所以你根本就在那邊去方向啊,從高雄開始啊怎麼會把高雄開始去做你這個事情?不,跟委員報告,高雄那個計畫只是我們其中計畫的一個實驗區,我們接下來也歡迎...不是喔,你看看,旗艦計畫就是高雄嗎?我沒有講這個,我沒有說...旗艦計畫就是高雄...不是,我說是一個示範區,它已經有...示範區?啊喂,你講高雄港,台北有台北港,新北... |
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我們也歡迎各個地方政府什麼歡迎各個你規劃中你就規劃錯了你這個資產管理當然就是要找一個地方是一定是這個最自由的這個行政處是最好的搞一個高雄高雄不是不好啦沒有任何的意見你要弄高雄台北港啊新北市有台北港啊對不對你知道自由貿易港區有幾個嗎 |
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你滴滴倒下錯了啦 主委阿 |
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報告委員．可以看看嗎我們現在來講的話 |
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你知不知道我們的資產管理佔GDP的比重?台灣比重多少?我們對於資產管理的...因為我們台灣...來來來!我問你!你們金管會的資料表格我現在沒有列出來!這個...資產管理佔GDP比重多少?你告訴我!我們現在是統計齁!因為台灣...多少?多少?欸!沒有!欸!我們跑遍金管會的人趕快把資料給他!你們金管會的資料!我們...我們資產管理...因為台灣沒有一個資產管理業齁!假設你以投信的基金的話我們大概9兆嘛!國內基金大概9兆!佔GDP多少? |
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資產管理佔GDP多少? |
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我告訴你們日本的資產管理占GDP110% |
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香港1066%新加坡815%這個數字是金管會奇怪金管會你們會去要整頓一下你們的人怎麼你的組織在上面落難沒有人在提供資料奇怪勒這個資料金管會的資料勒 |
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金國會的資料怎麼你都沒有呢旁邊我再講一遍資產管理佔GDP的比例臺灣40%日本110%香港1066%新加坡815%這是你們金國會的資料我打出來的啊我都比你用功你看到底下的人你看到現在為止還沒有資料給你喔 |
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啊 奇怪的話都沒有人來護照你要過去整頓你下個他們瞧不起你欺負你喔 |
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市委其實沒有這回事啦因為我們知道各個國家要整頓一下要整頓一下像比如香港跟新加坡最近都超過4兆啦那我想台灣確實是只有假設以頭信來看只有0.3兆這裡都有數字啦你可以看到2023年這個香港差不多4兆啊新加坡差不多4兆啊資料都有欸我的資料都金管會的資料 |
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這個報告委員這是工會的統計不是金管會金管會並沒有因為臺灣沒有一個資產管理 |
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你們跟國會哪的啊資料來我這裡的資料來你就盡管問好了講這個沒中間問題是你這個數字啊就代表什麼意思代表臺灣距離人家真正的S&M裡面差很多啦這也是為什麼我們要努力的地方因為臺灣結果努力你的路段就不對啊你起見從高雄就不對後來跟你這個會不會算啊這個主委啊 |
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其實並沒有說旗艦是高雄我剛才跟委員報告很多次你剛才講老半天的高雄任何一個臺灣的這個城市我覺得都非常的歡迎來加入這個資產管理中心的籌資你跟高雄說多讚的場地Ready啦行政中心Ready啦 什麼都Ready啊你再看雙北市都比高雄還讚的你跟他說啊這比賽啊 這個東西主委啊 |
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這兩個藏在一起水管 |
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我們現在就是依法在辦理中我們現在比如說我們在做那個 |
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現在有張幣混幣透過第三方支付或者遊戲幣兌現你要怎麼管理 請問 |
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我們現在透過那個VASPER他們成立一個工會以後他們現在正在制定他們的自立規範特別針對這一塊的部分呢他們在自立規範會出來那我們的專法要到明年6月才會送行政院 |
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主委啊!你看看喔! |
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人家統計出來金融的老百姓的素養不足成為詐騙的溫床儘管會是幫兇這個呢金融宣導號稱呼召率百分之百結果我們的金融素養不足八成不足你看到去年度的詐騙前三名第一名投資詐騙你看到多勝數排名 |
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金融詐騙金管委員是幫兇的金管委員你沒有教導好 |
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沒有其實這樣的說法不是很公平啊很公平非常公平那我告訴你你看一下這個為什麼為什麼請問你有沒有加入金融素養跨國調查金管會有沒有有沒有答案是沒有啦我就跟你講我當然做功課沒有啊沒有啊 |
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沒有加入OECD沒有加入跨國調查我們明年會加入明年請問軍委會底下單位有沒有加入 |
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就是我們平益中心平益中心已經加入跟機關會機關這樣頭輕腳重啊平益中心都知道重要要加入儘管會不加入難怪難怪你看到前面人家看到金融素養全民這麼糟不是因為OECD我們政府機關沒辦法加入我們只能透過平益中心加入你看IMD啦齁GFCI剛才尤其是GFCI啦齁IFCI啦齁你再前面一張 |
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這個GFCI 全球金融中心之數IFCI 國際金融中心之數這些評比 臺灣都以國家的地位參與調查 |
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那你不是矛盾你說明年度就可以加入了就是參與這個的調查就是請評議中心那邊參與這個調查 |
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那我們現在第幾名啊?如果評議中心有的話?我們現在第幾名? |
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跟委員報告他這個其實沒有排名他這個金融素養調查的部分他是瞭解各個國家自己本身裡面針對這個金融素養的狀況 |
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現在人家就看到了嘛,就你的金融宣導,到處跟人家講多做過多做過,一八趴,然後呢,八成金融素養不夠,這是人家調查的,臺灣金融生活調查,你可以看到差不多七成九, |
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對,這個金融教育這部分我們一定會持續再來努力因為這個畢竟詐騙是國人之痛我想我們也都知道這部分我們有關金融素養的部分我們還是不管怎麼樣我們還是要持續的強化 |
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好不好我解釋我的質詢就是跟你強調你要S&M你要從雙北開始高雄然後再過來你可以看啊這個唉這個這裡面牽涉到很多詐騙的問題因為資產管理弄得好就資產管理弄不好就洗錢了對 謝謝對吧他就是一線之隔合法的就是資產管理不合法的就是洗錢 |
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我們休息10分鐘 |
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賴委員士葆：（10時47分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請金管會的彭主委。 |
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主席：請彭主委。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委你好，原來大家都覺得你很專業耶，但今天一來的話，變成你很政治耶，不要讓人家瞧不起喔！把資產…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：其實…… |
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賴委員士葆：你還不知道我的問題在哪裡，先不要急著回答。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：剛才你回答時說，第一個要在設高雄，奇怪！設在高雄，高雄有什麼條件啊？你告訴我，就是因為賴總統講的南部，要討好賴清德啊，這個你不要把專業弄掉，讓人家瞧不起你喔！彭主委，怎麼會…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：其實真的沒有，真的就是我剛才跟各位報告的，因為這個部分他們已經在過去兩、三年來，就已經針對這個跟一家金融機構開始做資產管理…… |
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賴委員士葆：兩、三年來，臺北市不是做得更多，新北市也做得更多嗎？雙北，現在有錢人都在雙北啊，不是嗎？請問你是不是？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：因為我們現在所有銀行的金融服務機構，總機構…… |
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賴委員士葆：總部都在臺北啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：總機構都在北部居多。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：所以這邊的服務應該是有的。 |
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賴委員士葆：就很清楚看得到啊，你要做這個。來，我給你一個數字，你可以看一下，我們的規模很小，請問你，你今天講的亞洲資產管理中心，最早是哪一個總統提過？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這個資產管理中心，我想過去有很多的名字啦，以前比如說金融中心、運轉中心…… |
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賴委員士葆：哪一個總統提過，我問你啊，你都沒有讀一下，今天人家一定問你這個啊，2001年，陳水扁就說了，要把臺灣打造成為亞洲資產管理中心，就跟你講的一模一樣啊！2020年蔡英文總統還說，要把臺灣打造為亞洲高階資產管理中心，陸續都有總統提出來，為什麼到現在為止，咕咕咕，不怎麼樣，為什麼？很簡單，你可以看啊，臺灣的規模這麼小，2,500億，但人家呢？你看香港多少，新加坡多少，從這個數字就可以看得到。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：這也是我們要努力的地方，我們的國民財富跟我們的資產管理…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你根本就弄錯方向啊，從高雄開始，怎麼會跑來高雄開始去做你這個事情？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：跟委員報告，高雄那個計畫只是我們其中計畫的一個實驗區，我們接下來也歡迎…… |
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賴委員士葆：你剛才不是這樣說喔，剛才你說旗艦計畫就是高雄啊，對不對？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我沒有講這個，我沒有說…… |
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賴委員士葆：旗艦計畫就是高雄…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是，我說一個示範區，它已經有…… |
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賴委員士葆：示範區，因為你講高雄港，臺北也有臺北港啊，新北有臺北港。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們也歡迎各個地方政府…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼歡迎各個，你規劃這裡就規劃錯了啊，你這個資產管理，當然就是要找一個地方，它一定是最自由的，行政措施最好的，結果你去搞一個高雄，高雄不是不好啦，我沒有任何的意見，你要弄高雄。但臺北港，新北市有臺北港，對不對？你知道自由貿易港區有幾個嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這是交通部主政的地方，我想…… |
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賴委員士葆：你也不知道，結果每天就隨便亂講，說那裡有高雄港、有自由貿易港區，不要忘了，桃園機場就是一個航空城，就是一個自由貿易港區，然後…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：對，未來其實各地方政府，剛才提過，我們是參考日本，各個地方政府拿出它自己的特色…… |
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賴委員士葆：你第一步就下錯了啦，主委，好啦、好啦，枉費前面我一直稱讚你，現在你居然這這麼政治化，會讓人家瞧不起喔，真的！高雄，你是在拍賴清德、陳其邁的馬屁，對不對？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：其實我從來都沒有這樣思考。 |
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賴委員士葆：但結果就是這樣子啊，你想說，賴清德之後就陳其邁了，所以兩個一起拍馬屁，高雄開始，之後就臺南，不要政治化啦！會讓人瞧不起喔。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：報告委員，我沒有這種sense，其實我這個…… |
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賴委員士葆：你可以看看嘛，現在來講的話，你知不知道我們的資產管理占GDP的比重，臺灣比重多少？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們對於資產管理的，因為我們臺灣沒有…… |
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賴委員士葆：來、來、來，我問你，這是你們金管會的資料、表格，我現在沒有列出來，資產管理占GDP比重多少，你告訴我。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們現在是統計，因為臺灣…… |
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賴委員士葆：多少？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：沒有，先跟委員報告一下…… |
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賴委員士葆：金管會的人趕快拿資料給他，你們金管會的資料。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：關於我們的資產管理，因為臺灣沒有一個資產管理業，假設你以投信的基金的話，我們大概9兆，國內基金大概9兆。 |
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賴委員士葆：占GDP多少啦？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：GDP的話，我們28兆，這樣的話差不多也應該是不到三分之一啦。 |
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賴委員士葆：四成啦！你們的資料，你們金管會的表格我都給你了，我今天沒有列出來而已，日本資產管理占GDP多少你知道嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這個、這個…… |
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賴委員士葆：你也不知道？這都是金管會的資料，金管會的人，你們趕快提供資料給他。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：從我們的數字來看，現在管理大概四兆多美元。 |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你啦，日本的資產管理占GDP110%，香港1,066%，新加坡815%，這個數字是金管會的。奇怪，金管會，你們回去要整頓一下啊，你們的人，怎麼你們的主子在上面落難，卻沒有人在提供資料，奇怪！這個資料是金管會的資料耶，金管會的資料，怎麼你都沒有呢？我再講一遍，資產管理占GDP的比例，臺灣40%，日本110%，香港1,066%，新加坡815%，這是你們金管會的資料，我讀出來的啊，我都比你用功耶，可是底下的人，你看到現在為止，還沒有資料給你喔，奇怪啊，都沒有人要來護駕！你要回去整頓一下啦，他們瞧不起你，欺負你喔。主委。 |
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主席：沒有人上來護駕。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：委員，其實沒有這回事啦，因為我們知道各個國家，他們的資產管理規模…… |
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賴委員士葆：要整頓一下啦！要整頓一下。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：比如說香港跟新加坡，最近都超過4兆啦，假設以投信來看，我想臺灣確實是只有0.3兆美元…… |
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賴委員士葆：這是整個數字啊，你可以看一下，2023年香港差不多4兆啊，新加坡也差不多4兆，資料都有，我的資料都是金管會的資料，居然沒有人來護駕，實在是很奇怪，可憐啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：報告委員，這是公會的統計，不是金管會，金管會並沒有，因為臺灣沒有一個資產管理業。 |
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賴委員士葆：資料來源是寫金管會啊，你們跟公會拿的啊，資料來源，我這裡的資料來源就是金管會，好，這件事不重要，問題是你這個數字代表什麼意思？代表臺灣距離人家真正的Asset Management差很遠耶！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：這也是為什麼我們要努力的地方，因為臺灣…… |
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賴委員士葆：這個要去努力，但你的落點就不對啊，你旗艦設在高雄就不對嘛！再來就更說不清了，主委。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：其實並沒有說旗艦是高雄，我剛才跟委員報告過很多次…… |
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賴委員士葆：你剛剛講老半天就是高雄啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：任何一個臺灣的城市，我覺得都非常的歡迎來加入這個產業管理中心的討論。 |
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賴委員士葆：你把高雄形容的多好啊，場地ready，行政中心ready，什麼都ready，你看雙北市都比高雄還讚，你這樣講不行啦！主委，枉費原來說你很專業，現在看起來不專業、很政治。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：謝謝委員的指正，確實不是這樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：專業一點啦！不要政治啦！ |
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請問虛擬貨幣是不是你管的？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：虛擬貨幣現在在洗錢的部分是我們來處理。 |
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賴委員士葆：第三方支付誰管的，你知道嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：數發部。 |
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賴委員士葆：那這兩個合在一起誰管？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：虛擬資產現在有關洗錢的部分，確實根據洗防辦法是由我們來處理。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在來講，這兩個combine在一起，就是虛擬貨幣plus第三方支付，這裡面就等於混在一起，所以有髒幣（不法的錢）、混幣（混合的），請問你，洗錢這部分金管會有人力管嗎？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們現在就是依法在辦理中，比如說正在預告的登記制，我們現在就開始有更明確的納管標準，現在正在預告，11月30號會公布實施，這是我們對虛擬資產業者在洗錢上面的管理；第三方支付確實現在是由數發部在處理。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在有髒幣、混幣等透過第三方支付或者遊戲幣兌現，你要怎麼管理？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們現在透過VASP，他們成立公會以後，現在正在制定自律規範，特別針對這一塊，他們自律規範會出來，那我們的專法要到明年6月才會送行政院。 |
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賴委員士葆：會不會太久了？明年6月火就熄掉了，搞到明年6月，拜託！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是，現在就是按照洗錢防制法及這個VASP洗防辦法在規定，其實…… |
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賴委員士葆：難怪我們的詐騙特別是金融詐騙層出不窮，主委，你看看人家統計出來，老百姓的金融素養不足成為詐騙的溫床，金管會是幫兇，金融宣導號稱覆蓋率百分之百，結果我們的金融素養不足、八成不足，你看去年度的詐騙前三名，第一名投資詐騙，發生數排名第一名…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：這個確實是…… |
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賴委員士葆：你先不要急。第二個，發生數排名是投資詐騙，財損金額排名也是投資詐騙、60.2%，都是第一名，差第二名假網拍差有夠多，你看第二名才9.6%，第一名就60.2%，這個看得出來就是金融詐騙最嚴重，金管會是幫兇，金管會沒有教導好。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：其實這樣的說法不是很公平。 |
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賴委員士葆：很公平、非常公平，來，我告訴你為什麼，你看一下這個，請問你有沒有加入金融素養跨國調查？金管會有沒有？有沒有？答案是沒有，就跟你講，我當然有做功課，沒有啦！沒有啦！沒有加入OECD，沒有加入跨國調查。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們明年會加入這個調查。 |
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賴委員士葆：明年？請問金管會底下單位有沒有加入？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：就是我們評議中心。 |
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賴委員士葆：評議中心已經加入，奇怪耶！奇怪耶！頭輕腳重！評議中心都知道重要要加入，金管會不加入，難怪你看前面全民的金融素養這麼糟。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是，因為OECD我們政府機關沒辦法加入，我們只能透過評議中心加入。 |
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賴委員士葆：你看IMD，剛才有提到GFCI（全球金融中心指數）、IFCI（國際金融中心指數）等這些評比，臺灣都以國家的地位參與調查，我們不是被調查了嗎？那為什麼金管會不能夠參與，我就不知道為什麼不能夠？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是，剛剛OECD那個啦！那個我們政府是……所以我們才會請評議中心加入。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你不是矛盾，你說明年度就可以加入了，那這樣子…… |
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彭主任委員金隆：所以就是參與這個的調查。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：明年就是請評議中心來參與這個調查。 |
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賴委員士葆：你剛剛不是說金管會可以明年度加入？不行？ |
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彭主任委員金隆：不是，因為這個OECD國際組織，我們現在是沒辦法用政府的立場加入，所以我們會請評議中心來去處理這個事情。 |
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賴委員士葆：那我們現在第幾名？如果評議中心有的話，我們現在第幾名？沒有排名啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我請處長說明。 |
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胡處長則華：跟委員報告，它這個其實沒有排名，金融素養調查的部分是瞭解各個國家自己本身裡面對金融素養的狀況。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在人家就看到了嘛！你的金融宣導到處跟人家講多重要多重要100%，然後八成金融素養不夠，這是人家調查的啊！臺灣金融生活調查，你可以看到差不多七成八、七成九。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：謝謝委員，金融教育這方面我們一定會持續來努力，畢竟詐騙是國人之痛，我想我們也都知道，這部分有關金融素養的部分，不管怎樣，我們還是要持續的強化。 |
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賴委員士葆：我結束我的質詢，跟你強調資產管理要從鬆綁開始，高雄啊！再來你看！這裡面牽涉到很多詐騙的問題，因為資產管理弄得好就資產管理，弄不好就洗錢。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：對，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：真的，它就只有一線之隔，合法的就是資產管理，不合法的就是洗錢，很清楚看得到，我們規模差香港那麼多、差新加坡那麼多，你居然好大的天才想法從高雄開始，服了你！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：我們全臺灣開始，高雄只是個點，其實它是一個計畫的其中一部分，謝謝委員的指正。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
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我們休息10分鐘。 |
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休息（11時1分） |
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繼續開會（11時11分） |
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主席：我們現在繼續開會。 |
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有請顏寬恒委員。 |
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308 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-20-4 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
廖先翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
沈發惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
葛如鈞 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
225 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-24 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138901 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138901_00005 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經
濟部、交通部就「政府推動臺灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之具體作為暨如何協助金融科技及新創產
業籌資現況與未來發展」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138901_00004 |
| IVOD_ID |
156085 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156085 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-4 |
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11 |
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2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
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Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-24T10:47:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-24T11:01:40+08:00 |
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