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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:27:10 - 11:32:10 |
| 影片長度 |
300 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長就「我國碳費徵收機制對產業衝擊之影響評估，及政府協助企業因應之配套措施」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長就「我國碳邊境調整機制（CBAM）推動規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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下一位質詢請王宏威委員好 謝謝主席我請我們連次長第一部連次長還有我們中郵董事長台電今天是副總是吧台電副總好委員好好 |
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好 市長就是有關於碳費的徵收其實產業界其實都非常的擔心以現在來講的話當然我們是先集中500家就是比較大型的產業但是接下來難免這個產業的那個家屬會越來越多那我們的環境部長說他說啊這個碳費的收費標準其實對產業來講就像針扎一下 |
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不會很痛啦!還好啦!但是啊!我們的前經濟部長王美花部長說我們台灣的碳費現在是高於日本、韓國、中國那麼對於鋼鐵石化水泥業的壓力非常非常的大那所以請問一下次長我們到底應該聽環境部長說的話呢?還是我們前經濟部長說的話呢? |
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應該是中間 我要解釋一下因為確實如果是300塊你很機靈啊不是不是機靈應該如果是300塊就是像王前部長講壓力大如山但是後來這中間我們跟環境部在討論過程中有做一些配套措施這些措施一做下去應該也不是說稍微扎一下不痛啦也是會痛啦 |
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對,並不是像環境部長講的這麼輕鬆啦那我為什麼請中油跟台電的董事長跟副總那剛才我也注意到李玉玲委員也有特別問到說中油大概是16億以目前的碳費如果那個配套做價做6億左右好,先等一下以現在來講16億,台電15億那麼 |
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二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長．及政府協助企業因應之配套措施．及政府協助企業因應之配套措施。 |
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可能嗎?來,副總,可能嗎?委員好,臺電本身的減碳牌的自主性減碳,我們現在都已經在啟動。不是,可不可能,像他講的,你2026就要繳勒?是,這個是自主性減量,臺電在這個區塊裡面, |
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應該是可以做到這個…我…我不曉得你們如何…如何能做到齁?其實我們…我們的…立法院的預算中心報告就已經特別提到其實很多人都提到因為我們現在的發電燃料是仰賴進口然後火力的這個發電的占比高達八成之多我們怎麼…如何減碳?如何自…自組然後達到五億? |
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這個檢探跟那個燃料無關,這次台電客是他自身用電的這一塊,所以跟那個燃料那個無關,所以他自身的用電這一塊, |
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他要透過一些效率提高這一部分還有一些設備要去做你們在這邊講都會留作記錄的對對對所以看你們如何能夠達到交五一我最後一個問題請問一下以現在的碳費標準是不是可以確保不會影響我們的油電價格能不能來次長講 |
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就目前如果一個是五億、一個是六億應該是不應該影響可是現在不是五億、六億阿你們還很努力阿如果以十五億、十六億來講如果以十五億、十六億會不會影響油電價格我認為不應該轉嫁不應該,你可不可以承諾因為環境部首長說不要問我阿要問那個經濟部阿可以承諾嗎如果減碳是五億、六億那這個東西本來就他們要自己吸收不過以現在來講你可不可以承諾嗎一句話 |
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我認為不應該轉嫁 |
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王委員鴻薇：（11時27分）謝謝主席，我請連次長。 |
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主席：經濟部連次長。 |
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王委員鴻薇：還有中油董事長。 |
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主席：中油李董事長。 |
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王委員鴻薇：台電今天是副總是吧？ |
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主席：台電副總。 |
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連次長錦漳：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[7][0] |
王委員鴻薇：次長，有關於碳費的徵收，其實產業界都非常地擔心，以現在來講的話，當然我們是先集中500家比較大型的產業，但是接下來產業的家數會越來越多。那我們的環境部長說，碳費的收費標準對產業來講就像針扎一下，不會很痛啦！還好啦！但是前經濟部長王美花部長說，臺灣的碳費現在是高於日本、韓國、中國，對於鋼鐵、石化、水泥業的壓力非常非常地大，請問次長，我們應該聽環境部長說的話，還是聽前經濟部長說的話？ |
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連次長錦漳：應該是中間啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[9][0] |
王委員鴻薇：中間哦？ |
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連次長錦漳：我解釋一下，因為確實如果是300元…… |
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王委員鴻薇：你很機靈啊！ |
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連次長錦漳：不是機靈，如果是300元，就像王前部長講的，壓力大如山。但是後來我們跟環境部在討論過程中有做一些配套措施，這些措施一做下去，應該也不是說稍微扎一下不痛啦！也是會痛啦！所以是介於這兩者中間。 |
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王委員鴻薇：對，並不是像環境部長講得這麼輕鬆啦！我為什麼請中油董事長跟台電副總？剛才我也注意到，呂玉玲委員有特別問到，說中油大概是16億，以目前的碳費。 |
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連次長錦漳：如果做那個配套差不多6億左右。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，先等一下，以現在來講16億，台電15億。 |
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連次長錦漳：五億多，現在…… |
| gazette.blocks[17][0] |
王委員鴻薇：而且經濟部並沒有要給它補貼，對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：沒有。 |
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王委員鴻薇：要想辦法去減排，所以在上個禮拜，因為我也同樣在我們衛環質詢，經濟部長跟我講說台電如果很努力減碳，就可以達到只要交5億的碳費。 |
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連次長錦漳：對，對，對。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，副總，可能嗎？ |
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郭副總經理天合：委員好。就台電本身的自主性減碳，我們現在都已經在啟動。 |
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王委員鴻薇：不是，可不可能像他講的？ |
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郭副總經理天合：可以。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
王委員鴻薇：你2026就要就繳了耶！ |
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郭副總經理天合：是，這個是自主性減量，台電在這個區塊裡面，應該是可以做到從15億降到5億。 |
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王委員鴻薇：我不曉得你們如何能做到，我們立法院的預算中心報告就已經特別提到，其實有很多人都提到，因為我們現在的發電燃料是仰賴進口，然後火力發電的占比高達八成之多，我們如何減碳，如何自主，然後達到5億？ |
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郭副總經理天合：跟委員做個說明…… |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
王委員鴻薇：我時間很短，到時候說我沒有效率。 |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
郭副總經理天合：是，我們從效率提高，然後…… |
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連次長錦漳：我跟委員報告，減碳跟那個燃料無關，這一次台電課的是它自身用電這一塊，所以跟燃料無關。在它自身用電這一塊，它要透過提高效率，還有一些設備要去做汰換…… |
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王委員鴻薇：你們在這邊講的都會留做紀錄。 |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
連次長錦漳：對，對，對。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以看你們如何能夠達到交5億。好，我最後一個問題，請問一下，以現在的碳費標準，是不是可以確保不會影響我們的油電價格？能不能？來，次長講。 |
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連次長錦漳：就目前如果一個是5億，一個是6億，不應該影響。 |
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王委員鴻薇：可是現在不是5億、6億啊！你們還說要很努力耶！如果以15億、16億來講，如果以15億、16億，會不會影響油電價格？ |
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連次長錦漳：我認為不應該轉嫁。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
王委員鴻薇：不應該，你可不可以承諾？ |
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連次長錦漳：我可以。 |
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王委員鴻薇：因為環境部次長說不要問我，要問經濟部啊！可以承諾嗎？ |
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連次長錦漳：不是，如果減碳是5億、6億，那這個東西本來就是他們要自己吸收。 |
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王委員鴻薇：不過以現在來講，你可不可以承諾嘛？一句話。 |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
連次長錦漳：我認為不應該轉嫁。 |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
王委員鴻薇：你認為不應該轉嫁，但是你不敢承諾，這也許是今天經濟部長不來的一個主要原因，不要現在講那麼好，我們最擔心的就是會轉嫁給我們的消費者，以上。 |
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連次長錦漳：這個我們會把關。 |
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主席：好，謝謝王鴻薇委員，次長請回座。 |
| gazette.blocks[46][1] |
下一位質詢請洪孟楷委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
52 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-7 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-23 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138702 |
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1138702_00002 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長就「我國碳費徵收機制對產業衝擊之影響評估，及政府協助企
業因應之配套措施」進行報告，並備質詢；二、邀請經濟部首長、環境部首長、財政部首長就
「我國碳邊境調整機制（CBAM）推動規劃」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1138702_00001 |
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155960 |
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| 日期 |
2024-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-7 |
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11 |
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2 |
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7 |
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委員會 |
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19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-23T11:27:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-23T11:32:10+08:00 |
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