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謝主席,麻煩有請司法院刑事廳廳長、法務部部長、警政署副署長 |
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三位好,時間的關係不亦問候感謝招委今天針對偵查不公開這個重要的議題請各位提專案報告但我必須要老實講我拜讀完各個主管機關的專案報告以後我自己心裡的感覺 |
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是你們所提出來的專案報告跟現實的世界是處於平行時空我再說一次你們所提的專案報告跟現實的世界是處於平行時空 |
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任何在晚上有看台灣政論節目的觀眾我再說一次任何在台灣晚上有看政論節目的觀眾都會發現我們的官方報告大家都遵守偵查不公開全部的人都遵守偵查不公開所以那些政論節目從記者到名嘴大概每一個人都會通靈每一個人都會通靈 |
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都不是減掉獎的都是這些媒體記者跟名嘴要不然就通靈要不然就胡說八道絕對沒有違反偵查不公開我上一次執行法務部部長的時候關鍵的問題我都問過了所以我今天想利用執行的時間 |
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幫被害人說幾句話不是偵查不公開的被害人是我昨天去參加一場告別式 |
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我從昨天參加完那兩告別式到現在我心裡非常非常的難過我一直在想我們的制度、我們的運作到底會出了什麼問題昨天我去土城分局清水派出所前所長、中興前所長的告別式 |
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行李完了以後啊離開我跟中興的夫人我清新的拍拍他請他節哀請他保重他只跟我講幾個字啊拜託照顧好警察拜託照顧好警察 |
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上一次去看他的時候他沒有提過一個跟他自己或跟中興的親屬個人利害關係有關的要求沒有他只講一件事拜託照顧好警察我看了他的夫人帶著一個4歲手上抱著一個還沒有滿1歲的小朋友 |
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我老實講我心裡非常的難過我回去看啊到底發生了什麼樣子的事情我上次跟部長講過溯源追查好好查不是只有查到那個拖著開車啊有沒有食用毒品我不知道了交給檢察官去偵查車上有毒品開著車警察臨檢拒檢 |
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一直撞、一直開搞到一條寶貴的人命整個家庭全部都破碎了溯源追查毒品這個是上次部長有承諾我我等著看結果但我要問的事情是什麼我要問的事情是這件事情從去年開始我們針對Ultimate Debt |
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上次煙彈也好啦依託彌子也好啦中文有各式各樣的翻譯搞了這麼久到了今年8月5號才正式列為三期毒品對於這樣子的效率部長你滿不滿意這樣的效率你滿不滿意 |
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這部分是跟委員報告伊東米斯是在今年6月13日才是獨省會是本部獨平省立委員會有決議所以我問你這樣的效率你滿不滿意我只問你這個問題這樣的效率你滿不滿意這部分已經那跟委員報告那這部分已經公告為我知道啦這樣的效率你滿不滿意這部分已經大幅縮短了作業的時間了所以這樣的效率你是滿意的嘛 |
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我老實跟部長講這個東西在台灣列為毒品管制的效率我一點都不滿意我很多被害人也不滿意部長你覺得滿意沒有關係這是你的意見表達我都尊重再往下私有二級毒品跟三級毒品處罰落差很大我相信部長幹過檢察官非常的清楚下一個問題現在列為三級毒品 |
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警戒有很大的呼聲說希望列為二級圖品法務部站不贊成 |
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這個獨家犯 |
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我讓他把他犯罪的歷程因為我一直在思考這件事情到底是怎麼發生我必須要負責任的把他全部的犯罪歷程調出來第一次施用毒品藉隱治療結果施用二級毒品判刑三個月一顆罰金施用第二級毒品判刑三月一顆罰金施用第二級毒品一顆罰金 |
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使用第二級毒品判刑四月一顆罰金一連串下來全部都是一顆罰金來我請教一下我們司法院刑事廳從刑事法規範的目的不管你要採取硬報還是一般預防特別預防不管你採取什麼理論你可不可以跟台灣社會大眾說明一下一犯再犯一再侵犯 |
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這個處罰可能連腳字都沒有到底有什麼效果可以跟社會大眾說明一下嗎用一般人聽得懂的語言用被害人聽得懂的語言告訴我們的社會大眾我們的刑事司法體系到底是出了什麼問題請說明 |
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對誰教育宣導這是今天才發生的嗎這是今天才發生的事情嗎抓到一次罰三萬塊抓到一次罰三萬塊有什麼處罰的效果 |
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有什麼預防的效果?會怕嗎?有什麼預防的效果?有什麼治療的效果?搞到現在社會大眾看到的是什麼?一個媽媽牽著一個四歲的小孩手上抱著一個未滿一歲的嬰兒 |
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這不僅是這個獨家犯的問題這個是這個國家制度的問題這樣的制度到底在保護誰我們念法律念了那麼久我們念法律念了那麼久 |
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從刑法各式各樣的理論全部都念過了我看到這樣的結果我只想問一件事啦這樣的刑事司法制度到底保護了誰這個獨家犯脫刑死亡警察臨檢拒絕脫刑死亡目前的法定刑事多少 |
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目前的法定刑事多少拜託你是刑事庭廳長你還要翻法條喔我為什麼不叫副秘書長上來三年以上十年以下你覺得OK嗎就就法定刑來講這算一般來講我們認為這是一個屬於重刑相當的重刑的這樣是重刑是 只是在法官量刑的部分要怎樣讓他正適當的量刑 |
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再往下第二個被害人這個被害人是我離開立法院以後我那時候成立了一個吹噪者保護協會他哭著跑來找我張淑娟來請NCC主任秘書 |
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他2022年怎麼在政論節目上面被霸凌的我相信NCC非常的清楚怎麼在政論節目上被霸凌的我相信NCC很清楚昨天超過兩年了超過兩年了昨天刑事第一審開庭做最後的延遲辯論做最後的延遲辯論 |
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形式上他有他的權利啦我看了相關他的辯詞我看了我沒有辦法相信來我先請教個common sense指控一個未婚的女性跟已婚的男性滾床單是不是負面名詞是不是負面名詞好你們NCC啊今天說什麼新聞自律啊 |
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還要求說什麼相關的紀錄要上網來看一下當初參與霸凌的這個廣電媒體民視公司2022年第11次新聞自律諮詢倫理委員會這個就是你們所講的新聞自律的機制嘛結果這些新聞倫理自律的委員講什麼說我們節目的內容哪裡妨礙工序良俗有委員說滾床單咧 |
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結果裡面竟然有人講說滾床單是負面名詞嗎我們現在的新聞自律倫理機制有沒有發揮功能啊我看了這個新聞自律倫理委員會的討論啊我只能夠說啊大開眼界啊一個無辜的女性被傷害成這個樣子進入你們所講的新聞自律倫理機制結果是怎樣 |
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滾床單是負面名詞嗎?難怪大家都覺得這個新聞倫理自律機制是形同虛設更離譜的事情是什麼?然後我們繼續往下看結果那一次新聞倫理相關的記錄我從開始追這個案子的時候在網站上消失 |
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開完會不敢潑上去啊開完會不敢潑上去啊為什麼不敢潑上去我的判斷啊絕對不是失誤啊不敢潑上去是因為丟人現眼丟人現眼自己都知道自己討論的內容社會大眾看了心裡感覺為什麼不敢潑上去啊 |
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你們現在有沒有要求新聞之旅倫理委員會的會議記錄要上網?有如果沒有上網罰則是什麼?我們在...我們在二十...違反二十二條我們是...二十萬嗎?我們就違反二...違反沒有...沒有依照程序來公告的話會有二十萬的罰款有罰嗎?呃...這一件...這一件它有...它有公告啊拜託 你回去看一下啦什麼時候公告的?什麼時候公告的? |
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拖到今年3月才補上網我有沒有講錯?呃...這是我回去再查一下如果假設他沒有依照程序來公告的話我們會處罰該處罰要處罰喔?是這什麼新聞倫理自律機制啊?是是是那個最主要是因為那三位也都是他們外部所寫的外部專家學者啦那學者的話如果說你對你自己的言論那你自己要負責 |
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沒有啦 他們要言論他們自己負責他們自己負責嘛當然是他們自己負責嘛但這種丟人現眼的東西依法要公告在裡面講的丟人現眼的話依法要公告沒有公告這就是NCC的責任了不是嗎我會議再查一下你們當初在給他換照通過的時候有審酌這件事嗎我們都會審酌都會審酌代表有審酌但是沒有罰是嗎 |
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因為換照的時候他是換不換照的問題不是處罰的問題拜託換不換照的時候有沒有依照建立健全的新聞倫理紀律機制他不是審酌的要點之一嗎?是依法該公告沒有公告不是審酌的要點之一嗎?是那你不是說要審酌所以你們審酌了以後決定給他換照沒關係但是也不用罰是這樣嗎? |
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主席站起來了好 謝謝 |
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黃委員國昌：（9時24分）謝謝主席。麻煩有請司法院刑事廳廳長。 |
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主席：麻煩刑事廳廳長。 |
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黃委員國昌：法務部部長。 |
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主席：部長。 |
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黃委員國昌：警政署副署長。 |
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主席：副署長。 |
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黃委員國昌：三位好，時間的關係，不一一問候。感謝召委今天針對偵查不公開這個重要的議題請各位提專案報告，但我必須要老實講，拜讀完各個主管機關的專案報告以後，我自己心裡的感覺是，你們所提出來的專案報告跟現實的世界處於平行時空！我再說一次，你們所提的專案報告跟現實的世界處於平行時空！任何在晚上有看臺灣政論節目的觀眾，我再說一次，任何在臺灣晚上有看政論節目的觀眾都會發現，在官方報告中，大家都遵守偵查不公開，全部的人都遵守偵查不公開，所以那些政論節目從記者到名嘴，大概每一個人都會通靈、每一個人都會通靈，都不是檢調講的，都是這些媒體記者跟名嘴，要不然就通靈，要不然就胡說八道，絕對沒有違反偵查不公開！ |
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我上一次質詢法務部部長的時候，關鍵的問題我都問過了，所以我今天想利用質詢的時間幫被害人說幾句話，不是偵查不公開的被害人，是我昨天去參加一場告別式，我從昨天參加完那場告別式到現在，我心裡非常非常的難過，我一直在想我們的制度、我們的運作到底出了什麼問題？昨天我去土城分局清水派出所宗鑫前所長的告別式，行禮完了以後，我跟宗鑫的夫人，我輕輕的拍拍他，請他節哀、請他保重，他只跟我講幾個字，拜託照顧好警察、拜託照顧好警察。上一次去看他的時候，他沒有提過一個跟他自己或跟宗鑫的親屬個人利害關係有關的要求，沒有，他只有講一件事，拜託照顧好警察。我看了他的夫人帶著一個4歲，手上抱著一個還沒有滿1歲的小朋友，我老實講我心裡非常的難過。我回去看到底發生了什麼樣子的事情，我上次跟部長講過溯源追查，好好查，不是只有查到那個開車的人，有沒有施用毒品我不知道，交給檢察官去偵查，車上有毒品，開著車，警察臨檢拒檢，一直撞一直開，搞到一條寶貴的人命，整個家庭全部都破碎了。溯源追查毒品，這個是上次部長有承諾我的，我等著看結果。 |
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但我要問的事情是什麼？我要問的事情是這件事情從去年開始，我們針對Etomidate，喪屍煙彈也好，依托咪酯也好，中文有各式各樣的翻譯，搞了這麼久，到了今年8月5號才正式列為三級毒品，對於這樣的效率，部長你滿不滿意？這樣的效率你滿不滿意？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這部分跟委員報告，依托咪酯在今年6月13日本部毒品審議委員會有決議…… |
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黃委員國昌：所以我問你這樣的效率你滿不滿意？我只問你這個問題，這樣的效率你滿不滿意？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，這部分已經公告為…… |
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黃委員國昌：我知道啦！這樣的效率你滿不滿意？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這部分已經大幅縮短了作業的時間。 |
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黃委員國昌：所以這樣的效率你是滿意的嘛！我老實跟部長講，這個東西在臺灣列為毒品管制的效率，我一點都不滿意，有很多被害人也不滿意，那部長你覺得滿意沒有關係，這是你的意見表達，我都尊重。 |
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施用二級毒品跟三級毒品處罰落差很大，我相信部長當過檢察官非常的清楚。下一個問題，現在列為三級毒品，警界有很大的呼聲說希望列為二級毒品，法務部贊不贊成？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，我們贊成，因為…… |
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黃委員國昌：你們贊成，什麼時候要做？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：在10月21日已經函各機關提供相關的資料來檢視依托咪酯最新形式的變化。 |
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黃委員國昌：所以需要多少作業時間？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我們儘快，我們希望如果快的話，在年底以前我們可以…… |
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黃委員國昌：希望這一次真的是儘快，希望這一次。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個會儘快。 |
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黃委員國昌：希望這一次真的是儘快。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：我們希望能夠把它升級為第二級。 |
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黃委員國昌：下一個，這個毒駕犯，我大概把他犯罪的歷程……因為我一直在思考這件事情到底是怎麼發生，我必須要負責任的把他全部的犯罪歷程調出來，第一次施用毒品，戒癮治療；施用二級毒品判刑3個月，易科罰金；施用第二級毒品判刑3月，易科罰金；施用第二級毒品，易科罰金；施用第二級毒品，判刑4月，易科罰金。一連串下來，全部都是易科罰金，我請教一下我們司法院刑事廳，從刑事法規範的目的，不管你要採取應報，還是一般預防、特別預防，不管你採取什麼理論，你可不可以跟臺灣社會大眾說明一下，一犯再犯，一再輕判，這個處罰可能連矯治都沒有，到底有什麼效果？可以跟社會大眾說明一下嗎？用一般人聽得懂的語言，用被害人聽得懂的語言，告訴我們的社會大眾，我們的刑事司法體系，到底是出了什麼問題？請說明。 |
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李廳長釱任：謝謝委員的關心，這部分我們可能要透過教育宣導，對於…… |
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黃委員國昌：對誰教育宣導？ |
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李廳長釱任：對法官來做教育宣導，對量刑的部分，要斟酌到…… |
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黃委員國昌：這個是今天才發生的嗎？這是今天才發生的事情嗎？抓到一次罰3萬塊！抓到一次罰3萬塊！有什麼處罰的效果？有什麼預防的效果？會怕嗎？有什麼預防的效果？有什麼治療的效果？搞到現在社會大眾看到的是什麼？一個媽媽牽著一個4歲的小孩，手上抱著一個未滿1歲的嬰兒，這不僅是這個毒駕犯的問題，這個是國家制度的問題，這樣的制度到底在保護誰？我們唸法律唸了那麼久、我們唸法律唸那麼久，從刑法各式各樣的理論全部都唸過了，我看到這樣的結果，我只想問一件事啦！這樣的刑事司法制度到底保護了誰？這個毒駕犯被警察臨檢，拒檢！拖行！死亡！目前的法定刑是多少？目前的法定刑是多少？拜託你是刑事廳廳長，你還要翻法條喔！我為什麼不叫副秘書長上來？ |
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李廳長釱任：3年以上，10年以下。 |
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黃委員國昌：你覺得OK嗎？ |
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李廳長釱任：就法定刑來講，一般來講我們認為這是屬於重刑，相當的重刑的…… |
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黃委員國昌：這樣是重刑？ |
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李廳長釱任：是，只是在法官量刑的部分，要怎樣讓他適當的量刑。 |
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黃委員國昌：再往下，第二個被害人，這個被害人是我離開立法院以後，我那時候成立了一個吹哨者保護協會，他哭著跑來找我，張淑娟。來！請NCC主任秘書。他2022年怎麼在政論節目上面被霸凌的，我相信NCC非常的清楚，怎麼在政論節目上被霸凌的，我相信NCC很清楚，昨天超過兩年了、超過兩年了，昨天刑事第一審開庭，做最後的言詞辯論，刑事上他有他的權利，我看了相關他的辯詞，我看了我沒有辦法相信。我先請教一個common sense，指控一個未婚的女性跟已婚的男性滾床單，是不是負面名詞？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，你們NCC今天說什麼新聞自律，還要求說什麼相關的紀錄要上網，來看一下當初參與霸凌的這個廣電媒體，民視公司2022年第11次新聞自律諮詢倫理委員會，這就是你們所講的新聞自律的機制，結果這些新聞倫理自律的委員講什麼？說我們節目的內容哪裡妨礙公序良俗，有委員說滾床單呢？結果裡面竟然有人講說滾床單是負面名詞嗎？現在的新聞自律倫理機制有沒有發揮功能？我看了這個新聞自律倫理委員會的討論，我只能夠說大開眼界呀！一個無辜的女性被傷害成這個樣子！進入你們所講的新聞自律倫理機制，結果是怎樣？滾床單是負面名詞嗎？難怪大家都覺得這個新聞倫理自律機制形同虛設。 |
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更離譜的事情是什麼？我們繼續往下看，我從開始追這個案子的時候，那次的新聞倫理相關的紀錄就從這個網站上消失，開完會不敢po上去，為什麼不敢po上去？我的判斷絕對不是失誤，不敢po上去是因為丟人現眼，連自己都知道自己討論的內容社會大眾看了心理感覺是什麼。你們現在有沒有要求新聞自律委員會的會議紀錄要上網？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：有。 |
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黃委員國昌：如果沒有上網的罰則是什麼？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：違反第二十二條沒有依照程序公告的話，會有20萬的罰鍰。 |
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黃委員國昌：有罰嗎？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：它有公告啊！ |
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黃委員國昌：拜託！你回去看一下啦！什麼時候公告的？拖到今年3月才補上網，我有沒有講錯？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：我回去再查一下，假如他們沒有依照程序公告的話，我們會處罰。 |
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黃委員國昌：該處罰要處罰！ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：這是什麼新聞倫理自律機制啊！ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：最主要是，那3位也都是他們所請的外部專家學者，學者對自己的言論自己要負責。 |
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黃委員國昌：沒有啦！他們的言論是他們自己要負責嘛！ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：對。 |
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黃委員國昌：當然是他們自己要負責嘛！但這種丟人現眼的東西依法要公告，在裡面講了丟人現眼的話，依法要公告沒有公告，這就是NCC的責任了，不是嗎？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：我們回去再查一下。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
黃委員國昌：你們當初給它換照通過的時候，有審酌這件事嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
黃主任秘書文哲：我們都會審酌。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
黃委員國昌：都會審酌代表有審酌，但是沒有罰，是嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
黃主任秘書文哲：因為換照的時候是換不換照的問題，不是處罰的問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
黃委員國昌：拜託！換不換照的時候，有沒有依照建立健全的新聞倫理自律機制，它不是審酌的要點之一嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
黃主任秘書文哲：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
黃委員國昌：依法該公告沒有公告，不是審酌的要點之一嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
黃主任秘書文哲：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
黃委員國昌：你不是說有審酌？所以你們審酌了以後決定給它換照沒關係，但是也不用罰，是這樣嗎？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：如果有違反程序的話，我們當然會罰啊！但是換照是另外一個…… |
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黃委員國昌：對啦，我知道啦！我要講的事情是什麼？這件事情，你們早就應該知道了啦！ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
黃委員國昌：我現在在質疑的是，你們早就知道了，為什麼沒有任何處罰？ |
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黃主任秘書文哲：我回去再查一下好了。 |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
黃委員國昌：OK，主席站起來了。好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
主席：謝謝黃委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[65][1] |
下一位請莊瑞雄委員進行詢答。另外我先宣告：今天有委員提出臨時提案，本會依據往例上午11時處理，如果到時候正好有委員在詢答，就等該委員詢答完畢之後，立刻進行處理臨時提案。 |
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請莊瑞雄委員進行詢答。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
352 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-36-7 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
吳宗憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
莊瑞雄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
沈發惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
林國成 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
林宜瑾 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
273 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-23 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138801 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138801_00009 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、法務部廉政署署長、法務部調查局局長、內政部警政署署長、
國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員率所屬相關單位列席就「如何破除偵查大公開，以兼顧犯罪偵
查及人權保障」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138801_00009 |
| IVOD_ID |
155901 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155901 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-7 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-23T09:23:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-23T09:39:28+08:00 |
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