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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:53:19 - 14:59:08 |
| 影片長度 |
349 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「憲法訴訟法第四條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「憲法訴訟法第九十五條條文修正草案」案。） |
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主席各位委員有請副秘書長副秘書長委員好今天討論憲法訴訟法因為憲法職責是解釋憲法所以這個人數非常非常重要我們看人民要修憲 |
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我們看中華民國憲法徵修條文第十二條憲法的修改西京立法院立法委員四分之一的提議四分之三的出席還要出席委員四分之三的決議四分之三喔這比例很高而且還要經過人民的投票復檢對不對副部長對不對所以 |
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一個憲法的制定修正都是經過人民而目前的一個現況是怎麼樣呢我們的大法官不尊重人民的決議不重視人民的決議為什麼這樣說呢我就舉這個111年憲判制第17號 |
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這個憲法自第17號就是針對平埔族群的認定他認為是嚴族民族聯合國嚴族民族前例宣言第33條規定嚴族民族有權按照其習俗及傳統決定自己的身份或歸屬憲法徵修條文第10條第12項規定國家應依民族意願保障嚴族民族之地位 |
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原住民族基本法也規定應尊重原住民族的在制定法律或實施司法程序的時候憲法判決也是實施憲法的訴訟也沒有去徵詢原住民族的意見我們看最重要的就是這個憲法憲法當初中華民國憲法在修憲的時候 |
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民國八十一年國民大會第二次修憲憲法徵修條文第十八條第六項對於自由地區的三包的潛意的規範當時的國大代表吳清貴還有翁文德提出要把平埔族納入到三包裡面 |
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經過國民大會四分之三的結議沒有納入啊沒有納入啊這是人民的意見啊民意啊民國83年第二次民國83年第三次修憲的時候江三胞證明我嚴重當時國大代表吳清貴等65人提案 |
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要把平埔族納入到這個嚴肅民族經過立法國民大會四分之三的人民的結議四分之三的國大代表代表全國的人民排除沒有納入結果呢結果呢 |
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幾位大法官就決定了就決定如果我們看這個歷史我們看這個歷史平埔族在清朝到日治時期 |
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生番、熟番生番、熟番是不同的從清朝到日治時期到中華民國政府都是分開的現在我們有很多台灣的人閩南人他不承認他是閩南人他不承認他是漢族也不過是幾十年而已 |
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我們是從清朝開始就分開的從法律來看清朝的法律大清麗麗民定民業介入深番地次同出道入關賽從日本也是一樣所以這個部分我要的是說憲法訴訟法當然這個人數很重要 |
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好,謝謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（14時53分）主席，各位委員。有請副秘書長。 |
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主席：好，副秘書長。 |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：今天討論憲法訴訟法，因為大法官的職責是解釋憲法，所以人數非常、非常的重要，人民要修憲，依中華民國憲法增修條文第十二條規定，憲法之修改，須經立法院立法委員四分之一之提議，四分之三之出席，還要出席委員四分之三的決議。四分之三這比例很高，而且還要經過人民的投票複決，副秘書長，對不對？ |
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所以憲法的制定、修正都是經過人民，而目前的現況是怎麼樣呢？我們的大法官不尊重人民的決議、不重視人民的決議，為什麼這樣說呢？我就舉111年憲判字第17號為例，這個憲判字第17號就是針對平埔族群的認定，它認為是原住民族。聯合國原住民族權利宣言第三十三條規定，原住民族有權按照其習俗及傳統，決定自己的身分或歸屬。憲法增修條文第十條第十二項規定，國家應依民族意願，保障原住民族之地位。原住民族基本法也規定，在制定法律或實施司法程序的時候，應尊重原住民族。憲法判決是實施憲法的訴訟，也沒有去徵詢原住民族的意見。 |
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我們看最重要的就是憲法，憲法當初中華民國憲法在修憲的時候，民國81年國民大會第2次修憲，憲法增修條文第十八條第六項對於自由地區的山胞權益的規範，當時的國大代表吳清桂，還有翁文德提出要把平埔族納入山胞，經過國民大會四分之三的決議，沒有納入啊！沒有納入啊！這是人民的意見、民意。民國83年第3次修憲的時候，將山胞正名為原住民，當時國大代表吳清桂等65人提案要把平埔族納入原住民族，經過國民大會四分之三的決議，四分之三的國大代表代表全國人民排除，沒有納入，結果呢？幾位大法官就決定了。 |
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如果我們看這個歷史，平埔族在清朝到日治時期，生番、熟番是不同的；從清朝到日治時期、到中華民國政府都是分開的，現在有很多臺灣的人，閩南人他不承認他是閩南人，他不承認他是漢族，也不過是幾十年而已，我們是從清朝開始就分開的，從法律來看，清朝的法律大清律例明定，民越界入生番地視同出盜越關塞，日本也是一樣。所以這個部分我要說的是，憲法訴訟法當然這個人數很重要，不然少數人去決定，就如同憲法明定的原住民族變成少數的大法官去做決定，就是用這個例子來告訴大家，這個是非常、非常重要的一個條文。以上，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。所有登記發言委員都已經發言完畢，詢答結束。委員質詢時要求提供相關資料或以書面答復，請相關機關儘速交給個別委員或本會。委員傅崐萁所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報，請相關機關以書面回復。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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併案審查(一)委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「憲法訴訟法第四條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員翁曉玲等
16人擬具「憲法訴訟法第九十五條條文修正草案」案 |
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第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
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