| IVOD_ID |
155728 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155728 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T12:24:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T12:32:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c08b8ebdc8e3065636115bf87d69dd960efc051a48f2135f31331746fe9cf801a911ee759332f825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:24:02 - 12:32:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席：有請農業部的陳部長請陳部長部長你好今天早上我來了幾次聽你講了半天了你的態度非常強硬我們立法院決議公糧收購價格增加5塊錢 |
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結果你現在講一些五四三都聽不懂喔反正沒有人要聽 耳朵都關起來那我就問你是不是一塊錢都不要爭我告訴你 你也說這樣五塊錢我做不到我就要加個加個兩塊加個三塊都不行一塊錢你不可以爭 幹嘛咧 |
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我跟委員講就是我跟委員報告就是我們看的是造體的成我們現在推了這個部分然後工糧的部分我們也會去處理我們以現在的規劃我們是不準備調整工糧的價格但是我們會試著我們後續的職業是我們立法院的決議 |
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立法院的決議也是為了照顧農民的權益,那我們用另外一個方式來協助農民。 |
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農業部公務預算是1692億基金預算大概747億兩千億了對然後可用的可用因為有些撥補的部分可用的大概兩千零兩千多億了兩千多億即便按照你算的其實你灌水很多啦說五塊錢的話會增加一百多億這其實沒有灌水這個是我們精算出來的那休耕怎麼算這個帳呢休耕為什麼算在裡面這個帳休耕休耕 |
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賴士葆 |
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這個下一句話你可不要回答,就乾淨卓榮泰或者賴慶德叫你挑你就挑了啦,這樣就行了啦看屯房稅這個公糧收購是一個pew很純粹的農業民生的問題結果這個看起來貌似中良貌似老實的一個陳部長原來這麼政治化來,我們來另外一個關心一個題目你不是喊出來 |
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賴總統 |
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他上任以後的一個所謂的德政欸照顧我們的小孩子發育得更好營養更充足有蛋白質有鈣等等的喝鮮奶結果現在來講到你這裡執行的滴滴答答這個時候想到現在小學生變成農林榆木的救世主只要大陸那裡很卡結果馬上就學生來消耗 |
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2022年 蔡英文執政的時候 班班吃食班 總共花了6億9個月收攤啦 我不知道你班班喝鮮奶 什麼時候要收攤 |
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我跟委員報告齁大概分兩個階段第一個階段就是這月期我們已經訂購的這些學校我們會努力的去達成他那個學童都能夠喝到牛奶那因為我們斑斑喝鮮牛並不是農業部的口號我們這是媒體 |
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賴士葆 |
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什麼時候可以全部喝到? |
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我想我們會盡量的努力這個要看爐廠的供應量是不是能夠上來沒有 這個部分還有牽涉到學校的下單的部分齁 |
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10月底一定可以喝到不一定喝鮮奶 |
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我們會根據學校的學校的選擇因為學校選擇是75%左右是選擇包酒乳最後這兩個有什麼不一樣 |
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他的品質營養都是一樣但是兩個就是因為他的配送方式不一樣最後一個小問題就是AGO法現在兩岸關係這麼緊張這麼不好AGO法可能會全面取消喔這個對農產品的 |
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影響是很大的還是影響不大?我想我們很持續的關切這個議題那以現在目前ECFA本身的18個品項來講以112年大概4170幾億然後它的關稅成本大概581億那這個581億其實也是一個風險所以我們會積極的針對比較重要的這些品項 |
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早就該做的啦! |
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有媒體公開呼籲啦,我們台灣的經濟水平比大陸高這麼多,還用不著啦,還用不著啦我們重視每一個市場,包括中國市場,我們都重視這個東西還要去WTO,WTO就是公平貿易,你要佔人家便宜回到WTO的話,現在我們很多也禁止大陸農產品進來對不對 |
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禁止大陸農產品進來台灣吧有沒有這個是在多年前是嘛大陸農產品他也可以他自己都有啊他就是就是不管你是政治目的還是什麼的我們不要這樣看他沒意義就不要了就不要了農產品就不要了 |
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我們還是會積極透過因為WTO的一個協商機制來來啟動相關的 去WTO一個海 我跟你講 去WTO你就要開放這個道路的農產品進來 |
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賴委員士葆：（12時24分）謝謝主席，有請農業部陳部長。 |
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主席：請陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你好。今天早上我來了幾次，聽你說了半天，你的態度非常強硬，立法院決議公糧收購價格增加5元，結果你現在就是顧左右而言它，反正沒有人要聽意見，耳朵都關起來。我就問你，是不是連1元都不增加？不然你也應該回答如果要增加5元，我們做不到，或者就算加個2元、3元都不可以，連1元都不可以增加，是這樣嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們現在推動這個，至於公糧的部分，我們也會去處理。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不要和我說細節，你就回答是不是連1元都不能加？ |
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陳部長駿季：以現在的規劃，我們是不準備調整公糧價格，但是我們會試著後續的這些…… |
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賴委員士葆：1元都不加嘛！視立法院的決議如無物嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：立法院的決議也是為了照顧農民的權益，我們是用另外一個方式協助農民。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你來當立委！現在有一百多位立委決議這樣做，但是你直接把它否決。請問你，農業部一年的預算有多少？ |
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陳部長駿季：農業部的公務預算是1,692億元。 |
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賴委員士葆：加上其他的。 |
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陳部長駿季：基金預算大概747億元。 |
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賴委員士葆：這樣就有2,000億元了。 |
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陳部長駿季：對。因為還有些撥補的部分，可用的大概是兩千零…… |
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賴委員士葆：二千多億元。即便按照你們的計算，其實你們灌了很多水，還說調整5元要增加一百多億元經費，沒有人這麼算。 |
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陳部長駿季：這個絕對沒有灌水，是我們精算出來的。 |
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賴委員士葆：休耕呢？休耕為什麼算在裡面？休耕的六十幾億也算在這裡面。 |
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陳部長駿季：不是，主要有兩方面，如果提高公糧收購會增加金額，這是一件事情，另外一個就是我們對稻農的支持，一年大概156億元。 |
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賴委員士葆：灌水啊！你們把其他部分都算在這個帳裡面，用來恐嚇大家。 |
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陳部長駿季：沒有，這個…… |
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賴委員士葆：部長，下一句話你可以不用回答，其實很簡單，只要卓榮泰或者賴清德叫你調整，你就會調了啦！就是這樣而已啦！就像囤房稅。公糧收購是一個很pure純粹的農業、民生問題，結果看起來貌似忠良、老實的陳部長，原來這麼政治化。我們關心另外一個題目，你不是喊出班班喝鮮奶，說4年44億元，結果現在只有15%喝鮮乳，80%喝保久乳。 |
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你們督導班班喝鮮奶的政策，這是賴總統上任以後的德政，要照顧我們的小孩子，讓他們發育得更好、營養更充足，有蛋白質、有鈣等等，所以讓他們喝鮮奶，結果現在你們執行的零零落落。這時候我們就會想到，現在小學生變成農林漁牧的救世主，只要大陸對什麼東西喊卡，馬上就轉由學生消耗。2022年蔡英文執政的時候提出班班吃石斑魚，總共花了6億元，9個月收攤，本席不知道你的班班喝鮮奶什麼時候要收攤？ |
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陳部長駿季：大概分兩個階段，第一個階段就是這學期已經訂購的學校，我們會努力達成讓學童都能夠喝到牛奶。因為班班喝鮮奶並不是農業部的口號，我們是…… |
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賴委員士葆：是誰的口號？ |
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陳部長駿季：這是媒體下的標題。我們是針對國產牛奶的部分，希望把它推銷到學校，讓學校…… |
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賴委員士葆：你們推銷的是鮮奶，對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們不是，這個口號是外界喊出來的，我們是針對牛奶，保久乳和鮮乳是因為學校…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以保久乳也包含在裡面？ |
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陳部長駿季：沒有。保久乳和鮮乳是學校的選擇，其實這些都是牛奶。因為學校對保久乳的需求量比較高，但是現在保久乳的產能來不及供應，所以我們啟動一些調度，協助乳廠供應，不要有的學校喝了很多，有的學校都還沒喝到，我們會儘量以學童都能夠喝到為目標，至於以後…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候可以全部喝到？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們會儘量努力，因為…… |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候？請你告訴我一個時間，總是要有努力的目標。 |
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陳部長駿季：這要看乳廠的供應量是不是能夠跟上。 |
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賴委員士葆：你是農業部部長，你不知道嗎？你不知道他們什麼時候可以供應上嗎？學生家長現在很生氣喔！ |
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陳部長駿季：沒有，這個部分還牽涉到學校下單的部分。 |
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賴委員士葆：你說了一堆理由，但我質詢時間快到了，請你告訴本席什麼時候可以做到班班喝奶啦！不管是鮮乳或者保久乳。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們第一階段的目標，就是10月底班班都能喝到，我們是希望用這樣的方式，也會儘量去協調。 |
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賴委員士葆：10月底一定可以喝到，但不一定是喝鮮奶，保久乳也可以。 |
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陳部長駿季：沒有，我們會根據學校的選擇，因為75%左右的學校是選擇保久乳。 |
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賴委員士葆：這兩個有什麼不一樣？ |
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陳部長駿季：它的品質、營養都是一樣的。 |
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賴委員士葆：都一樣，但是處理的方式不一樣，大家一看就知道。 |
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陳部長駿季：配送方式不一樣。 |
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賴委員士葆：最後一個小問題，現在兩岸關係這麼緊張、這麼不好，ECFA可能會全面取消喔！這對農產品的影響很大？還是影響不大？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們會持續關切這個議題，以目前ECFA的18個品項來說，112年大概是四千一百七十幾億元，關稅成本大概581億元，這581億元其實也是一個風險，所以我們會積極針對比較重要的品項應變。其實我們也有盤點，這些品項過去也因為…… |
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賴委員士葆：請你說清楚啦！ECFA如果停掉，對你來說，心裡的感受怎麼樣？是沒關係？還是有點緊張？還是我都準備好了？ |
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陳部長駿季：它的風險是在可控的範圍之內，我們會積極將這些比較高風險的品項輸往高端市場，這幾年也有一些績效。 |
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賴委員士葆：早就該做了。有媒體公開呼籲，臺灣經濟水平比大陸高這麼多，不需要ECFA啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：我們重視每一個市場，包括中國市場，我們都重視。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個東西還要經過WTO的協商，WTO就是公平貿易，你要占人家便宜……回到WTO，現在我們也禁止很多大陸農產品進來臺灣，對不對？有沒有？ |
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陳部長駿季：這個是在多年前…… |
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賴委員士葆：是嘛！大陸自己也有農產品啊！不管是政治目的也好，或是其他的，我們不需要這樣看別人的臉色，乾脆就不要了，ECFA就不要了，農產品也不要了。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們還是會積極透過WTO的協商機制，啟動相關的…… |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你，去WTO協商就糟糕了，因為你就要開放讓大陸的農產品進來。 |
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主席：請涂權吉委員質詢。 |
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192 |
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委員會-11-2-19-6 |
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呂玉玲 |
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張嘉郡 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
鄭正鈐 |
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廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
謝衣鳯 |
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陳亭妃 |
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洪申翰 |
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陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
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邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
賴士葆 |
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涂權吉 |
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郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
麥玉珍 |
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徐富癸 |
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黃建賓 |
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許宇甄 |
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劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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107 |
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2024-10-17 |
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1138501 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並
備質詢 |
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1138501_00002 |