| IVOD_ID |
155725 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155725 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T12:17:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T12:23:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c08b8ebdc8e3065989eac8f166e27ea60efc051a48f2135f31331746fe9cf80cbf5781e8931119d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:17:48 - 12:23:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席有請部長請陳部長委員好這個部長我剛剛聽到你跟我們邱委員的詢答我忽然醍醐灌頂我忽然懂了你沒有要取消公糧收購對不對 |
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我們現在不會取消公糧收購這個制度這個制度不會取消但你這實質廢公糧阿你意思不就這個我聽他詢答過的就是這個意思阿來我要一個一個問你齁我們通過立法院的決議案齁就收購價格每公斤新台幣26元調升到5元啦齁那我想請問公糧價格多久沒調整了 |
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一百年 上次的調整是一百年十三年沒調整嘛 對不對那基本薪資調整幾次四次吧調多少幅度勞工基本薪資調整12次啦 工資漲幅53.64%如果勞工薪資也調整不斷再給你十三年好了 26年後勞工薪資調整到百分之百那公糧收購價格你要不要調整 |
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我想我想勞工薪資要調整到什麼程度你才要調整公糧價格我想公糧收購要去調整他不是考慮到其他的勞工的基本薪資好沒關係勞工基本薪資你不看那我再看下一個13年來物價指數上漲多少?超過15個百分點然後央苗上漲的幅度多少?13年來部長這你手上掌握一下吧大概10%大概10% |
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央苗每盤由28元上漲到40元啊我講13年這都是我從你們農業部拿來的資料啦你看後面都在點頭上漲43% |
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所以現在我們講農民的公糧收購,除非你剛剛是廢掉這個制度,照你的邏輯是什麼?我管你漲到43、53、83、330,你的意思都不動囉?公糧收購價格都不動囉?我想我們沒有說公糧收購價格一定不動,我們一定會...你剛剛回答的時候,反正我就放在那個地方,你總有一天你要去什麼,到一般市場去賣? |
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為什麼因為公糧收購價格照你的方式這樣擺下去你到最後賣給公糧是虧的你不就政策目的達成不過我想跟委員報告齁其實我們看的是我們關心的是產地的價格產地的價格才是支持產業的部長我回到跟你講一件事啦我們賴總統說啊他的使命是照顧2300萬台灣人民的生計啊然後要讓經濟的成功的果實跟全民共享難道農民是被排除在外嗎 |
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沒有我想我們農業部的責任也是要去照顧農民謝謝啦從公糧收購做起吧我還是回頭一件事啊13年光央苗就漲了43%農藥肥料13年漲了多少?漲了25%可是你就是聞風不動26元你就是不肯調我今天的話雖然立法院決議調5元啦可是你現在是1塊錢2塊錢3塊錢你也都不調啊不是嗎? |
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我跟委員報告齁其實我們農業部在看我們希望說照顧到農業的收益的過程之中我也要支持產業的永續發展這個才是重要的沒關係啦我支持你產業的發展理念你直接宣布公糧價格取消嘛制度取消你又不宣布取消你該派個實質判死刑 |
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可是相對的他的收益跟他的產量也在不斷的滾動所以我們看的是最後的一個收益的部分 |
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部長,我告訴你,你的政策齁,有些人受益,有些人受害 |
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但是今天公糧價格為什麼今天立法院決議要做這個調整就是因為對現在的農民這些公糧收購的農民不公平嘛你過去整個政策你沒有調整的過程當中更何況我跟你講我沒聽前面的委員質詢我還不知道你的目的勒你搞了半天就跟他講反正總有一天你就要去市場賣阿你的意思是這樣阿我確實阿你照你的做法你就非得到市場賣阿 |
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公糧的收購是純粹指示繳公糧的人但是他會影響整個市場的一個機制的運作所以我跟你講你這本企業直接把繳公糧這些人拖出去了啦我們會慢慢的引導他們到你沒有慢慢 |
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所以我們很多集團栽培的部分反正我就是價格定在那裡到時候你攪公糧的人你就不用來攪了我跟委員報告我剛才也說了就是說我們現在目前我們希望一級二轉參加三的部分我知道你現在你要為政策辯護啦但是說真的今天公糧收購攸關的農民喔我是覺得今天你剛剛在前面委員答詢的時候我請農民好好聽聽啦到底原因是什麼謝謝 |
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主席，有請部長。 |
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請陳部長。 |
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部長，本席剛剛聽到你和邱委員的詢答，忽然醍醐灌頂，忽然懂了，你們沒有要取消公糧收購嘛！ |
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對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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我們現在不會取消公糧收購這個制度。 |
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但你們是實質廢公糧啊！ |
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你的意思不就是這樣？ |
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本席聽了你們詢答，其實就是這個意思啊！ |
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來，本席一個、一個問題問你，立法院通過的決議案，就是收購價格每公斤新臺幣26元，調升5元。 |
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2024-10-17T12:18:40.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
本席想請問，公糧價格多久沒有調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:44.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-10-17T12:18:45.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
上次調整是100年。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:46.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-10-17T12:18:47.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
13年沒有調整嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:47.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-10-17T12:18:48.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:48.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-10-17T12:18:52.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
基本薪資調整幾次？4次吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:53.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-10-17T12:18:53.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
調了多少幅度？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:55.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-10-17T12:18:57.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
勞工基本薪資調整12次啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-10-17T12:18:57.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:01.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
工資漲幅53.64%。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:01.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:11.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
如果再給你13年，26年後勞工薪資調整到100%，你們的公糧收購價格要不要調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:13.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:16.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
勞工薪資要調整到什麼程度，你們才要調整公糧價格？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:16.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:22.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
公糧收購是否調整，不是考慮這些因素，例如勞工的基本薪資調高。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:22.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:28.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
好，沒關係，你們不看勞工基本薪資，我們再看下一個，13年來物價指數上漲多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:31.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:32.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
超過15%。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:34.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:35.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
13年來秧苗上漲的幅度是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:38.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:39.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
部長，這部分你總要掌握吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:39.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:40.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
大概10%。43%啦！秧苗？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:40.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:43.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
就是秧苗啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:43.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:44.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
秧苗每盤由28元上漲到40元。沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:44.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:45.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
秧苗過去大概1公頃…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:45.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:46.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
本席是指這13年來。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:46.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:47.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
如果是這13年，大概是百分之二十幾吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:44.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:45.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
這都是我從農業部拿來的資料啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-10-17T12:19:45.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-10-17T12:19:46.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
你看後面都在點頭，的確是上漲43%。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:03.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:10.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
所以說到農民的公糧收購，除非你剛剛是說要廢掉這個制度，要不然照你的邏輯是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:11.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:19.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
就是不管漲到43%、53%、83%、330%，你的意思是公糧收購價格都不動囉？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:20.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:23.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們沒有說公糧收購價格一定不動，我們一定會和…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:23.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:30.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你剛剛回答的時候是說，反正就是放在那個地方，總有一天你要到一般市場去賣，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:30.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:37.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
因為照你們的方式做的話，最後賣給公糧是虧的，這樣你們的政策目的不就達成了？不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:39.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:42.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
其實我們關心的是產地的價格，產地價格才是支持…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:43.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-10-17T12:20:57.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
部長，我跟你說一件事，賴總統說他的使命是照顧2,300萬臺灣人民的生計，要讓經濟的成功果實和全民共享，難道農民被排除在外嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-10-17T12:20:58.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:01.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
沒有，農業部的責任也是要照顧農民。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:02.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:02.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
謝謝啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:03.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:04.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
從公糧收購做起吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:05.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:13.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
本席回頭說一件事，13年光秧苗就漲了43%；農藥、肥料這13年漲了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:15.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:25.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
漲了25%，可是你們就是聞風不動，一樣是26元不肯調，雖然今天立法院決議調5元，可是你們現在是連1元、2元、3元都不調，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:30.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:38.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我們在照顧稻農收益的過程中，也要支持產業的永續發展，這才是重要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:38.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:39.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
謝謝你！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:38.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:43.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
沒關係，我支持你們的產業發展理念，那你們就直接宣布公糧收購制度取消嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:43.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:46.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
但你們不宣布取消，卻實質判死刑，不是這個意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:46.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:47.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
你們學大法官啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:47.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:48.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
現階段我們的公糧制度沒有調整，我們要照「1集、2轉、3加3」…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:48.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:49.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
照你的邏輯，連秧苗上漲43%，你們都聞風不動，你們就是想廢除它嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:49.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:50.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
如果連農藥、肥料…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:50.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:51.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我們沒有這個意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:51.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:52.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
問題是過去這13年就是漲那麼多，我問你，今天秧苗漲價，他的種植成本會不會漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-10-17T12:21:47.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-10-17T12:21:49.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
可是相對的，他的收益和產量也在不斷滾動，我們看的是最後的收益，相對的，我們也會看其他的…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.718 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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他的成本一直在漲，但是你們的收購價格是固定的，可是你剛才又說他的收益在增加，我的數學可能沒有部長好啦！ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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因為我們的稻穀收購是雙軌的，現在稻農如果不繳公糧的話，收益會比純粹繳公糧還高。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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部長，本席告訴你，你們的政策有些人受益，有些人受害，為什麼今天立法院決議要調整公糧價格？ |
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羅委員智強 |
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就是因為對繳公糧的農民不公平嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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我們只照顧到一小部分的人啦！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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過去整個政策沒有調整，而且如果沒有聽到前面的委員質詢，我還不知道你們的目的，搞半天，反正總有一天你就是要去市場賣，你的意思是這樣啊！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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確實啊！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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照你的做法，就是非到市場賣不可啊！ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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公糧收購純粹只是針對繳公糧的人。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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對，但是繳公糧的人不是人嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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但是它會影響整個市場機制的運作，大部分…… |
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羅委員智強 |
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所以我告訴你，正本清源的方式，就是直接把繳公糧這些人拖出去啦！ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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我們會慢慢引導他們到民糧的部分，我們有很多集團栽培…… |
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羅委員智強 |
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你們並沒有慢慢引導，你們是直接不管他們的成本漲多少，反正價格就是定在那裡，到時候原本繳公糧的人就不來繳了。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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我剛才也說了，目前政府是希望做「1集、2轉、3加3」。好啦！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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我最後做個結論啦！ |
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羅委員智強 |
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部長，我知道你現在要為政策辯護，但是說真的，我覺得你和前面委員的答詢，要請和公糧收購攸關的農民好好聽一聽，到底原因是什麼，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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請賴士葆委員質詢。 |
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羅委員智強：（12時17分）主席，有請部長。 |
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主席：請陳部長。 |
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羅委員智強：部長，本席剛剛聽到你和邱委員的詢答，忽然醍醐灌頂，忽然懂了，你們沒有要取消公糧收購嘛！對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們現在不會取消公糧收購這個制度。 |
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羅委員智強：但你們是實質廢公糧啊！你的意思不就是這樣？本席聽了你們詢答，其實就是這個意思啊！來，本席一個、一個問題問你，立法院通過的決議案，就是收購價格每公斤新臺幣26元，調升5元。本席想請問，公糧價格多久沒有調整？ |
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陳部長駿季：上次調整是100年。 |
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羅委員智強：13年沒有調整嘛！對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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羅委員智強：基本薪資調整幾次？ |
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陳部長駿季：4次吧！ |
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羅委員智強：調了多少幅度？勞工基本薪資調整12次啦！工資漲幅53.64%。如果再給你13年，26年後勞工薪資調整到100%，你們的公糧收購價格要不要調整？勞工薪資要調整到什麼程度，你們才要調整公糧價格？ |
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陳部長駿季：公糧收購是否調整，不是考慮這些因素，例如勞工的基本薪資調高。 |
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羅委員智強：好，沒關係，你們不看勞工基本薪資，我們再看下一個，13年來物價指數上漲多少？超過15%。13年來秧苗上漲的幅度是多少？部長，這部分你總要掌握吧！ |
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陳部長駿季：大概10%。 |
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羅委員智強：43%啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：秧苗？ |
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羅委員智強：就是秧苗啊！秧苗每盤由28元上漲到40元。 |
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陳部長駿季：沒有。秧苗過去大概1公頃…… |
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羅委員智強：本席是指這13年來。 |
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陳部長駿季：如果是這13年，大概是百分之二十幾吧！ |
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羅委員智強：這都是我從農業部拿來的資料啦！你看後面都在點頭，的確是上漲43%。所以說到農民的公糧收購，除非你剛剛是說要廢掉這個制度，要不然照你的邏輯是什麼？就是不管漲到43%、53%、83%、330%，你的意思是公糧收購價格都不動囉？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們沒有說公糧收購價格一定不動，我們一定會和…… |
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羅委員智強：你剛剛回答的時候是說，反正就是放在那個地方，總有一天你要到一般市場去賣，為什麼？因為照你們的方式做的話，最後賣給公糧是虧的，這樣你們的政策目的不就達成了？ |
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陳部長駿季：不是。其實我們關心的是產地的價格，產地價格才是支持…… |
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羅委員智強：部長，我跟你說一件事，賴總統說他的使命是照顧2,300萬臺灣人民的生計，要讓經濟的成功果實和全民共享，難道農民被排除在外嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：沒有，農業部的責任也是要照顧農民。 |
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羅委員智強：謝謝啦！從公糧收購做起吧！本席回頭說一件事，13年光秧苗就漲了43%；農藥、肥料這13年漲了多少？漲了25%，可是你們就是聞風不動，一樣是26元不肯調，雖然今天立法院決議調5元，可是你們現在是連1元、2元、3元都不調，不是嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們在照顧稻農收益的過程中，也要支持產業的永續發展，這才是重要的。 |
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羅委員智強：謝謝你！沒關係，我支持你們的產業發展理念，那你們就直接宣布公糧收購制度取消嘛！但你們不宣布取消，卻實質判死刑，不是這個意思嗎？你們學大法官啊！ |
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陳部長駿季：現階段我們的公糧制度沒有調整，我們要照「1集、2轉、3加3」…… |
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羅委員智強：照你的邏輯，連秧苗上漲43%，你們都聞風不動，你們就是想廢除它嘛！如果連農藥、肥料…… |
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陳部長駿季：我們沒有這個意思。 |
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羅委員智強：問題是過去這13年就是漲那麼多，我問你，今天秧苗漲價，他的種植成本會不會漲？ |
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陳部長駿季：可是相對的，他的收益和產量也在不斷滾動，我們看的是最後的收益，相對的，我們也會看其他的…… |
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羅委員智強：他的成本一直在漲，但是你們的收購價格是固定的，可是你剛才又說他的收益在增加，我的數學可能沒有部長好啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：因為我們的稻穀收購是雙軌的，現在稻農如果不繳公糧的話，收益會比純粹繳公糧還高。 |
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羅委員智強：部長，本席告訴你，你們的政策有些人受益，有些人受害，為什麼今天立法院決議要調整公糧價格？就是因為對繳公糧的農民不公平嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：我們只照顧到一小部分的人啦！ |
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羅委員智強：過去整個政策沒有調整，而且如果沒有聽到前面的委員質詢，我還不知道你們的目的，搞半天，反正總有一天你就是要去市場賣，你的意思是這樣啊！確實啊！照你的做法，就是非到市場賣不可啊！ |
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陳部長駿季：公糧收購純粹只是針對繳公糧的人。 |
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羅委員智強：對，但是繳公糧的人不是人嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：但是它會影響整個市場機制的運作，大部分…… |
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羅委員智強：所以我告訴你，正本清源的方式，就是直接把繳公糧這些人拖出去啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：我們會慢慢引導他們到民糧的部分，我們有很多集團栽培…… |
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羅委員智強：你們並沒有慢慢引導，你們是直接不管他們的成本漲多少，反正價格就是定在那裡，到時候原本繳公糧的人就不來繳了。 |
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陳部長駿季：我剛才也說了，目前政府是希望做「1集、2轉、3加3」。 |
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羅委員智強：好啦！我最後做個結論啦！部長，我知道你現在要為政策辯護，但是說真的，我覺得你和前面委員的答詢，要請和公糧收購攸關的農民好好聽一聽，到底原因是什麼，謝謝。 |
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主席：請賴士葆委員質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並
備質詢 |
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