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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
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主席、各位委員、有請部長。請陳部長。部長,辛苦了。今天的議題是針對立法院的決議提高公糧收購價格的一個專題報告。 |
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你的報告寫得非常的詳細重點就是因為立法院代表民意所做的決議這個國民黨團在今年的5月8號提出了這個提案因為基本工資、養苗、物價指數無段的上漲 |
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尤其是基本工資這13年來最起碼又調漲了將近10次了所以特別提案公糧收購的價格既然13年都沒有調整應該要調整經過朝野協商之後113年7月16號立法院院會這個做討論這個特別提到 |
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這個我們看一下這個最後立法院的一個決議立法院的決議各黨團當時無異議對民眾黨團國民黨團的修正動議通過有異議沒有異議各黨團都同意沒有表決所以 |
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行政部門：農業部就應該要尊重民意：尊重立法院所做的決議：這個不是表決的：是黨團：各黨團沒有異議：通過的決議：院長做了一個才事：也就是立法院的決議：他特別提到109年：到現在13年會調帳： |
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負價大漲包括人工、肥料、農業資材等各項成本現在也切工,農業也切工啊也不是自己做,還要找人做啊最起碼要基本工資以上啊更是以上以上啊所以這個部分是有它的緣由 |
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當然這裡面也有提到其他的你也一併可以考量所以特別提到最後一點農業部因綜合考量各項成本及物價指數調整公糧收購價格由每公斤26元調整至每公斤31元原來的提案是34後來大家協商之後31元 |
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所以這個部分我看一下原來的提案34原來提案是34所以後來立法院所做的決議26條整是每公斤31塊是這樣的一個決議當然你今天的報告寫得非常詳細也都有理由啦但是重點就是 |
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畢竟是立法院代表前臺灣人民的民意所做的一個決議所以在這樣的一個情形之下包括相關的附帶決議都是無一通過回到你的報告 |
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公糧價格自63年起到113年歷經12次調升收購價格最近一次就是100年嘛100年現在113年所以是已經13年好你這個報告裡面一直強調過去你的那個說明也是一樣一直強調會增加會增加種稻的一個面積 |
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如果我們看這個面積99年倒座面積24.4萬公頃100年25.4提高3塊也沒增加多少兩公兩萬公頃對不對一直到現在還是還比以前少啊 |
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22,現在是112.去年22.2萬公頃所以也沒有增加所以這個部分 |
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這是一個你們在實際的運作上當然你們有你們的考量我作為這個老公務員也都可以尊重但是畢竟是立法院所做的決議所以在這個部分還是我特別還是要請這個農業部能夠依立法院的決議給予支持 |
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我跟委員報告我們非常尊重立法院的主決議那在這個主決議之下其實背後的一個精神就是要提高我們的動農所得那我們現在提出了這些一級二轉三加三的政策我們評估的結果是這樣的話才能夠照顧到整體的產業的所有的動農那我剛才也說過了就是 |
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公糧的收購它跟現在跟我們的集團產區的一個民糧的收購是並行的那我們也不意味就是說我以後一輩子都不調公糧價格了其實我們會在看整個政策的實施過程中去做適度的檢視跟做適度的調整那在現階段我們希望說委員能夠支持我們能夠針對這個一級二轉三加三的這個方案能夠持續的去推動 |
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那後續我們去看推動的這個成效跟他的產地價格的部分我們再來做一些檢討那個部長啊你提你今天的報告如類的非常詳細啦尤其今天一直在調123那個叫什麼方案一級二轉三加三這個方案你提了在這邊也提了很多次了我在這個這個電視上也看了聽了 |
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就是要依立法院的決議來執行第二個你原來要做的你現在要打算做的繼續做可以同時進行 |
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我跟委員報告就是公糧提高5塊跟我們現在推的政策上本質上我也有一些矛盾特別是在我們在一級二轉裡面特別是二轉的部分我們希望說一些倒座同樣是農民的收益我希望說他能夠轉成漢座以後得到我們的那個不重道獎勵以後提高他的所得那如果說公糧 |
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好我給你一個方向啊給你一個方向農業部一個方向民國100年12月5號 |
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12月5號行政院來航給立法院為什麼會來航給立法院呢在100年12月的3號3號立法院做了一個決議做了什麼決議第一個因為老人農民津貼暫行條例修正了要增加老農津貼 |
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第二個國民年金法也修正了要增加沒有修正的沒有法源的也併同這個決議併同譬如說老農的林農津貼等等包括農業部的有幾個也併同修正 |
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沒有法律的依據就一樣照立法院的決議行政院怎麼做呢12月3號立法院決議一百年12月5號啊行政院就報了一個修正中央政府101年度的總預算三天之內啊就修正 |
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立法院行政院已經送到8月底送到100年8月31號以前送到立法院的101年度的總預算修正了增加多少增加很多光農業部就增加了7億多 |
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總共包括內政部、人民會總共修正增加了163億6千7百萬所以這個部分可以做參考可以比照以上謝謝 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時38分）主席、各位委員，有請部長。 |
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主席：請陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長，辛苦了。今天的議題是針對立法院的決議提高公糧收購價格的一個專題報告，你的報告寫得非常的詳細，重點就是因為立法院代表民意所作的決議，國民黨團在今年的5月8號提出了這個提案，因為基本工資、秧苗、物價指數不斷地上漲。尤其是基本工資，這13年來最起碼又調漲了將近10次，所以特別提案，公糧收購價格既然13年都沒有調整，應該要調整。經過朝野協商之後，113年7月16日立法院院會討論時特別提到，我們看一下最後立法院的決議，各黨團當時無異議，對民眾黨團、國民黨團的修正動議通過，有無異議？沒有異議，各黨團都同意，沒有表決喔！所以行政部門，農業部就應該要尊重民意，尊重立法院所做的決議。這個不是表決，是各黨團沒有異議，通過的決議。院長做了一個裁示，也就是立法院的決議特別提到，從109年到現在，13年未調漲，但物價大漲，包括人工、肥料、農業資材等各項成本。現在缺工，農業也缺工，也不是自己做，還要找人做，最起碼要基本工資以上，更是以上以上啊！所以這個部分是有它的緣由，當然這裡面也有提到，其他的你也一併可以考量，所以特別提到最後一點，農業部應綜合考量各項成本及物價指數調整公糧收購價格，由每公斤26元調整至每公斤31元。原來的提案是34元，後來大家協商之後是31元，原來的提案是34元，後來立法院所做的決議：由26元調整至每公斤31元，是這樣的一個決議。 |
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當然，你今天的報告寫得非常詳細，也都有理由啦！但重點就是，畢竟是立法院代表全臺灣人民的民意所做的一個決議，所以在這樣的一個情形之下，包括相關的附帶決議都是無異議通過。好，回到你的報告，公糧價格自63年起到113年，歷經12次調升收購價格，最近一次就是100年，現在113年，所以是已經13年了。好，你這個報告裡面一直強調，過去你的說明也是一樣，一直強調會增加種稻的面積。如果我們看這個面積，99年稻作面積24.4萬公頃；100年是25.4萬公頃，提高也沒有增加多少啊！2萬公頃對不對？還比以前少，現在是113年，去年是22.2萬公頃，所以也沒有增加。關於這個部分，你們在實際的運作上，當然你們有你們的考量，我作為老公務員也都給予尊重，但畢竟是立法院所做的決議，所以在這個部分，我特別還是要請農業部能夠依立法院的決議給予支持。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們非常尊重立法院的主決議，在這個主決議之下，背後的一個精神就是要提高我們的稻農所得，我們現在提出來的這些「1集、2轉、3加3」政策，我們評估的結果是，這樣的話才能夠照顧到整體產業的所有稻農。我剛才也說過了，公糧的收購現在跟我們集團產區的民糧收購是並行的。我們也不意味我以後一輩子都不調公糧價格了，其實我們會在整個政策的實施過程中，去做適度的檢視跟做適度的調整。現階段我們希望委員能夠支持我們，針對「1集、2轉、3加3」的方案，能夠持續的去推動，後續我們會去看推動的成效跟產地價格的部分，再來做一些檢討。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長，你今天的報告羅列得非常詳細，就是今天一直在講1、2、3那個叫什麼方案？ |
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陳部長駿季：「1集、2轉、3加3」方案。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個方案你在這邊也提了很多次了，我在電視上也看了、聽了，不影響你去推動這3個方案啊！你繼續去推動，如果推動的非常非常的棒，非常非常的有成效，說不定人民就說這個不用了……所以這個部分可以雙管齊下，併同進行。第一個就是要依立法院的決議來執行；第二個你原來要做的，你現在打算要做的繼續做，可以同時進行。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，就是公糧提高5塊，跟我們現在推的，在政策上、本質上會有一些矛盾，特別是在「1集、2轉」裡面，尤其是2轉的部分，我們希望一些稻作，同樣是農民的收益，我希望他能夠轉成旱作以後，得到我們的不種稻獎勵之後，提高他的所得。如果公糧同步再進行的話，那會抵銷了另外一方面的政策，所以我還是希望委員能夠支持，讓我們先去做這樣的一個推動，然後後續看推動的成效，看產地價格的情形，我們一定會隨時滾動的檢討。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我給你一個方向，給農業部一個方向，民國100年12月5日行政院來函立法院，為什麼會來函給立法院呢？在100年12月3日立法院做了一個決議，做了什麼決議？第一個，因為老人農民津貼暫行條例修正，要增加老農津貼；第二個，國民年金法也修正了，要增加，沒有修正的、沒有法源的也併同這個決議，譬如老農的離農津貼等等，包括農業部的有幾個也併同修正，沒有法律的依據，一樣照立法院的決議。行政院怎麼做呢？12月3日立法院決議，100年12月5日行政院就報了一個修正中央政府101年度的總預算，3天之內就修正了行政院在100年8月31日以前已經送到立法院101年度的總預算，增加多少？增加很多，光農業部就增加了七億多，包括內政部原民會，總共修正增加了163億6,700萬，所以這個部分可以做參考，可以比照，以上，謝謝。 |
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主席：請陳冠廷委員質詢。 |
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黃建賓 |
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許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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107 |
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2024-10-17 |
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1138501 |
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1138501_00003 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並
備質詢 |
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1138501_00002 |
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155710 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155710 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-6 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T11:38:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T11:49:36+08:00 |
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ai-transcript |
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gazette |