| IVOD_ID |
155709 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155709 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T11:37:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T11:43:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c08b8ebdc8e3065e7e57db6a344d15dde4e273edfded79496f892b6d7a78c0ab3e2e9b7fa15091f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:40 - 11:43:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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我看你今天早上已經公開宣布說青年服勤的同意書你要把它取消是不是協調不會取消 |
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我的看法是當然這個我們還要跟教育部協調但是我的看法我已經表達我的看法我認為這樣子的同意書應該不需要因為我們真正的目的是在教育應該是在教育這個這個比如說這些學生他在重大災害的時候或有任何緊急狀況的時候他能夠這個就這個自救護救的這個能力來加以培養所以跟這個所謂的這個 |
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要不要自願來所謂扶擒這件事情我都不認為這個目的跟這個手段之間沒有平衡性所以我想我們會後我再請全統使再跟教育部來協調是不是就這個部分就不需要說要來發這個扶検同意書 |
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你這個一講之後啊好像反映社會反映的不錯其實你這是假講的 都是假啦因為全動法裡面第三章叫動員準備原來叫全民防衛動員準備法後來跟另外一個加起來叫全動法全動法裡面第15條的第一項第一款裡面就講得非常清楚 |
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並對學校青年動員扶擒 |
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賴士葆 |
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國防部長顧立雄報告業務概況：賴士葆 |
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事情就踩到底啊你去修法把這個拿掉把這個並對學校青年動員服勤拿掉這樣才大家知道你的決心說沒我給你個數字喔台灣的年輕人中國民調喔七成反對三戰場即便是後勤也反對他們說這打仗是專業的人去打仗 |
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致願意專業的人去打仗年輕人不要伸張成的即便後援他也不要都七成七成所以你要不要我就問你這個你要不要修法把這句話拿掉並對學校青年動員服勤就把它拿掉釜底抽薪可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告兩點,第一點就是說我想青年的這個部分絕對不會從事軍事情務或者軍事情動,這一點是確定的那這個所謂青年動員胡情的這個部分我剛剛已經講了,我認為重點應該著重放在 |
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有任何災難或緊急狀況發生的時候發揮這個能夠協助校園安全然後自救救人的一個功能我想這個部分我們會會後再來跟教育部做協調就這個青年動員的服刑的規劃來如何你沒有回答我的問題你要不要把這句話拿掉就好啦這句話告掉就好啦第二點權動法這個要如何進行修正我們正在進行檢討當中也跟發布會在進行可以列入考慮嗎可以列入考慮把這拿掉嗎 |
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我們來進行跟因為我們這個要跟跨部會來做一個協調的動作所以我們會跟跨部會來進行演繹你不修我來修我把這個忘掉好不好來這個才符合你今天所做的這些事情啦也才符合社會期待家長們怕孩子上戰場即便是後援的一樣台灣這麼小一打仗沒有什麼前線後方啦我們再看下一個喔 |
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你喊停說第5代的國造的ADF戰機說因為發動機啊engine啊你做不出來所以呢就不要連研發都不要啊中科院的院長是不是來一下這個講一下好不好講完講完就可以了好請摘要摘要摘要 |
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委員那個因為投資金額相當龐大在沒有確定獲得有效的技術協助之前我們暫停這樣子的研發你這個打臉蔡英文前總統打臉賴清德的國機國造你只有討好顧部長討好美鋒而已啊這個東西連做研發都不可以研發都不可以研究跨門也不可以這什麼意思啊 |
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我看不是喔,我看是美方叫你不要研發 |
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這連研發都不要這實在是笑死人了我想沒有這樣的事情我想沒有這樣的事情整根委員要報告一下 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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有請國防部顧部長。 |
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部長請。 |
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賴委員好。 |
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部長好。 |
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今天早上部長已經公開宣布青年服勤同意書要取消，是不是？ |
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還是協調，不會取消？ |
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當然，我們還要跟教育部協調，但我已經表達我的看法，我認為這樣子的同意書應該不需要。 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:38:16.114000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:38:55.246000+08:00 |
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因為我們真正的目的是在教育這些學生在重大災害或有任何緊急狀況時，能夠有自救、互救的能力並加以培養，跟要不要自願來服勤，我認為這個目的跟手段之間沒有平衡性，所以會後我請全動署再跟教育部來協調，是不是這部分就不需要發服勤同意書了。 |
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0.906 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:38:57.887000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:05.009000+08:00 |
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部長，你一講之後，好像社會反應都不錯，其實這是多餘的，都是假的！ |
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0.741 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:06.610000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:10.911000+08:00 |
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全動法第三章叫動員準備，全動法原來叫全民防衛動員準備法，後來跟另外一個加起來叫全動法。 |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:10.931000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:28.806000+08:00 |
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全動法第十五條第一項第一款講得非常清楚，「並對學校青年動員服勤」，所以沒有同意書……這就是多餘的，對不對？ |
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0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:28.806000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-10-17T11:39:37.112571+08:00 |
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所以這是假的！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:37.112571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:45.419143+08:00 |
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部長講得很有道理、頭頭是道，但你不覺得這是多餘的嗎？ |
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0.087 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:45.419143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:53.725714+08:00 |
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部長，你如果真的體恤，就不要讓青年上戰場，即便他是後援！ |
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0.042 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:39:53.725714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:02.032286+08:00 |
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因為現在看起來就是：如果要打仗的話，他的爸爸、哥哥上戰場，他留在後勤。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:02.032286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:10.338857+08:00 |
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但是邱國正前部長說過，言猶在耳：打仗的時候臺灣不分前線或後方，臺灣都是戰場！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-10-17T11:40:10.338857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:18.645429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
所以只要一打仗都是戰場！ |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:18.645429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:26.952000+08:00 |
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這是動員準備，沒有說戰時，但動員準備裡就有這一款「並對學校青年動員服勤」。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:26.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-10-17T11:40:30.654000+08:00 |
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所以部長，要不要乾脆做到底，修法把這個拿掉？ |
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0.474 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-10-17T11:40:31.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:40:39.360000+08:00 |
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把「並對學校青年動員服勤」拿掉，這樣比較乾脆，這樣大家就知道你不要的決心。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-17T11:40:41.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:40:49.947000+08:00 |
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我給你一個數字，對臺灣的年輕人做過民調，七成反對上戰場，即便是後勤也反對。 |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:40:49.947000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:02.282000+08:00 |
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他們說打仗由專業的人去打仗，志願役、專業的人去打仗，年輕人不要上戰場，即便後援也不要！ |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:03.003000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:06.505000+08:00 |
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七成，七成，所以你要不要？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:06.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-17T11:41:09.526000+08:00 |
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我就問你這個，你要不要修法把這句話拿掉？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:10.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-10-17T11:41:16.030000+08:00 |
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就把「並對學校青年動員服勤」拿掉，釜底抽薪，可以嗎？ |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:16.900000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:27.692000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告兩點：第一點，有關青年這部分絕對不會從事軍事勤務或軍事勤動…… |
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0.875 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:27.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:28.692000+08:00 |
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後援就是啦…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:27.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-10-17T11:41:28.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
這點是確定的。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:31.156000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:45.028000+08:00 |
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至於青年動員服勤這部分，我剛剛已經講了，重點應該放在有任何災難或緊急狀況發生時，能夠發揮並協助校園安全及自救救人的功能。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:46.149000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:51.913000+08:00 |
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這部分我們會後再來跟教育部協調，就青年動員服勤的規劃看如何來…… |
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0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:52.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:41:56.095000+08:00 |
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你沒有回答我問題，要不要把這句話拿掉就好啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:41:56.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:41:57.856000+08:00 |
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這句話槓掉就好啦！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-17T11:41:58.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:00.798000+08:00 |
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第二點，全動法要如何進行修正？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-17T11:42:00.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:03.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們正在進行檢討當中，也跨部會在進行…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:05.061000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:05.661000+08:00 |
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可以列入考慮，把這拿掉嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:10.242000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:12.123000+08:00 |
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這需要做跨部會協調，所以我們會跨部會進行研議。 |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:12.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:13.384000+08:00 |
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你不修，我來修，我把這個劃掉，好不好？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:13.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:42:14.824000+08:00 |
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這樣才符合你今天所做的這些事情，也才符合社會期待。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:14.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:42:15.584000+08:00 |
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家長們怕孩子上戰場，即便是後援也一樣。 |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:15.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:42:16.125000+08:00 |
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臺灣這麼小，一打仗沒有什麼前線後方啦。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:16.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:42:52.910000+08:00 |
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我們再看下一個，你喊停第五代國造ADF戰機，說因為發動機做不出來，所以連研發都不要，中科院院長要不要來講一下？ |
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0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:54.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:54.411000+08:00 |
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講完就可以了。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
主席 |
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2024-10-17T11:42:54.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:55.011000+08:00 |
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請摘要。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-10-17T11:42:55.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-17T11:42:55.772000+08:00 |
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摘要講一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-17T11:42:58.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:06.483000+08:00 |
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因為投資金額相當龐大，在沒有確定獲得有效的技術協助之前，我們暫停研發。多大？ |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-10-17T11:43:06.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:08.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
你這是打臉蔡英文前總統、打臉賴清德，國機國造！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-10-17T11:43:08.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:09.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你只有討好顧部長，討好美方而已！ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-10-17T11:43:09.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:09.584000+08:00 |
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連做研發都不可以？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-10-17T11:43:09.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:09.784000+08:00 |
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研發都不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-10-17T11:43:09.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:10.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
研究看看也不行？ |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-10-17T11:43:10.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-10-17T11:43:10.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
這什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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1 |
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對不對？ |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:12.953600+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:15.542200+08:00 |
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怎麼會這樣子？ |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:15.542200+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:18.130800+08:00 |
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難道對自己這麼沒有信心，連研發都砍掉？ |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:18.130800+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:20.719400+08:00 |
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做到後來乾脆不用了，量產還可以，連研發都砍掉…… |
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0 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:20.719400+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:23.308000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，關鍵技術的研發要能夠達到成熟，我們一些關鍵技術要有能夠從外獲得可能性…… |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:23.308000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:24.048000+08:00 |
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我看不是！ |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:24.268000+08:00 |
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是美方叫你不要研發！ |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:52.039000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:52.782000+08:00 |
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連研發都不要？ |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:53.002000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:54.226000+08:00 |
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實在是笑死人了！ |
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1 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:54.628000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:58.641000+08:00 |
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沒有這樣的事情，我想沒有這樣的事情，跟委員報告一下。 |
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0.957 |
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主席 |
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2024-10-17T11:43:59.141000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17T11:44:05.426714+08:00 |
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我跟你報告一下，織女星是在蔡政府時停的，不是現在。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2024-10-17T11:44:05.726714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17T11:44:09.726714+08:00 |
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接下來進行詢答委員林岱樺委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時37分）謝謝主席。有請國防部顧部長。 |
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主席：部長請。 |
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顧部長立雄：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長好。今天早上部長已經公開宣布青年服勤同意書要取消，是不是？還是協調，不會取消？ |
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顧部長立雄：當然，我們還要跟教育部協調，但我已經表達我的看法，我認為這樣子的同意書應該不需要。因為我們真正的目的是在教育這些學生在重大災害或有任何緊急狀況時，能夠有自救、互救的能力並加以培養，跟要不要自願來服勤，我認為這個目的跟手段之間沒有平衡性，所以會後我請全動署再跟教育部來協調，是不是這部分就不需要發服勤同意書了。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長，你一講之後，好像社會反應都不錯，其實這是多餘的，都是假的！全動法第三章叫動員準備，全動法原來叫全民防衛動員準備法，後來跟另外一個加起來叫全動法。全動法第十五條第一項第一款講得非常清楚，「並對學校青年動員服勤」，所以沒有同意書……這就是多餘的，對不對？所以這是假的！部長講得很有道理、頭頭是道，但你不覺得這是多餘的嗎？部長，你如果真的體恤，就不要讓青年上戰場，即便他是後援！因為現在看起來就是：如果要打仗的話，他的爸爸、哥哥上戰場，他留在後勤。但是邱國正前部長說過，言猶在耳：打仗的時候臺灣不分前線或後方，臺灣都是戰場！所以只要一打仗都是戰場！這是動員準備，沒有說戰時，但動員準備裡就有這一款「並對學校青年動員服勤」。所以部長，要不要乾脆做到底，修法把這個拿掉？把「並對學校青年動員服勤」拿掉，這樣比較乾脆，這樣大家就知道你不要的決心。我給你一個數字，對臺灣的年輕人做過民調，七成反對上戰場，即便是後勤也反對。他們說打仗由專業的人去打仗，志願役、專業的人去打仗，年輕人不要上戰場，即便後援也不要！七成，七成，所以你要不要？我就問你這個，你要不要修法把這句話拿掉？就把「並對學校青年動員服勤」拿掉，釜底抽薪，可以嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告兩點：第一點，有關青年這部分絕對不會從事軍事勤務或軍事勤動…… |
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賴委員士葆：後援就是啦…… |
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顧部長立雄：這點是確定的。至於青年動員服勤這部分，我剛剛已經講了，重點應該放在有任何災難或緊急狀況發生時，能夠發揮並協助校園安全及自救救人的功能。這部分我們會後再來跟教育部協調，就青年動員服勤的規劃看如何來…… |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有回答我問題，要不要把這句話拿掉就好啦！這句話槓掉就好啦！ |
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顧部長立雄：第二點，全動法要如何進行修正？我們正在進行檢討當中，也跨部會在進行…… |
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賴委員士葆：可以列入考慮，把這拿掉嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：這需要做跨部會協調，所以我們會跨部會進行研議。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不修，我來修，我把這個劃掉，好不好？這樣才符合你今天所做的這些事情，也才符合社會期待。家長們怕孩子上戰場，即便是後援也一樣。臺灣這麼小，一打仗沒有什麼前線後方啦。 |
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我們再看下一個，你喊停第五代國造ADF戰機，說因為發動機做不出來，所以連研發都不要，中科院院長要不要來講一下？講完就可以了。 |
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主席：請摘要。 |
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賴委員士葆：摘要講一下。 |
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李院長世強：因為投資金額相當龐大，在沒有確定獲得有效的技術協助之前，我們暫停研發。 |
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賴委員士葆：多大？你這是打臉蔡英文前總統、打臉賴清德，國機國造！你只有討好顧部長，討好美方而已！連做研發都不可以？研發都不可以？研究看看也不行？這什麼意思？對不對？怎麼會這樣子？難道對自己這麼沒有信心，連研發都砍掉？做到後來乾脆不用了，量產還可以，連研發都砍掉…… |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，關鍵技術的研發要能夠達到成熟，我們一些關鍵技術要有能夠從外獲得可能性…… |
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賴委員士葆：我看不是！是美方叫你不要研發！連研發都不要？實在是笑死人了！ |
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顧部長立雄：沒有這樣的事情，我想沒有這樣的事情，跟委員報告一下。 |
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主席：我跟你報告一下，織女星是在蔡政府時停的，不是現在。 |
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接下來進行詢答委員林岱樺委員。 |
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62 |
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委員會-11-2-35-5 |
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王定宇 |
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陳永康 |
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羅美玲 |
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黃仁 |
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徐巧芯 |
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沈伯洋 |
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林楚茵 |
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洪申翰 |
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林憶君 |
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陳冠廷 |
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賴士葆 |
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林岱樺 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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馬文君 |
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洪孟楷 |
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牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
楊瓊瓔 |
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陳培瑜 |
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徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
麥玉珍 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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劉建國 |
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1 |
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2024-10-17 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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1138601_00001 |