| IVOD_ID |
155699 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155699 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T11:08:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T11:18:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c08b8ebdc8e3065e5a4144aceee15d760efc051a48f213596f892b6d7a78c0a2615cb29b12c03265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:56 - 11:18:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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陳亭妃委員質詢謝謝主席我們請部長請陳部長部長我看你早上解釋很多但是我要語重心長的問你一句話為什麼 |
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農民的感受不到我們已經花了那麼多的資源包括我們從所謂的一個轉作然後在一些相關的農業環境基本的給付然後轉作的獎勵甚至農業保險甚至是我們一些相關的這些保價收購的一個部分 |
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我們做了很多但是農民為什麼感受不到還是認為說你就是要這個公糧提高收購價然後讓有些人一直喊這樣的口號喊得好像我們沒有家的人就是因為不照顧農民 |
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我跟委員報告齁我們不管在我們的政策推出來之前跟之後現在我們大概從上個月開始我們已經開了20幾場的說明會大部分的農民是支持我們這樣的一個做法但是還是這聲音沒有出來啊你說農民支持你這個說法這聲音很小欸可是我相信如果你用民調的話 |
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這些所謂支持要提高公糧收購價格的人聲音會比較大為什麼我想基本上用政府的經費去支持農民的收益直接的收益的話我想每個人都拍拍手 |
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但是只有少部分而已如果說今天是用全民調的部分就是包括其他的產業的部分那以我們對產業的瞭解跟認識﹖所以所謂的少部分是多少人?真正有在交公糧的﹖不論是全部交公糧﹖大概有12萬人我想稻農大概有22.5萬人那12萬人是有找跟公糧有來往的部分那其中2.2萬是純粹找公糧的部分 |
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農業部長陳亭妃 |
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所以部長今天 |
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我剛剛講的一個關鍵是我們做了這麼多可是為什麼農民的感受都沒有那麼的深就像你講的今天大家如果增加整個收購價大家會拍拍手可是拍拍手的可能是 |
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所以我同意也認同那個委員所說的,就是說我們對於現在﹖花卉也是啊,對不對,滾動式檢討啊,我們應該提出我們不一定說一次要這個拉高多高,可是我們應該對於所謂產業面,我們要滾動式檢討,就像我之前在農損的部分, |
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所以部長我們應該跟農民說在這個公糧收購的部分我們會隨時滾動式檢討是對不對對滾動式檢討就是隨著現在市面上的狀況跟所有我們生產的量我們隨時去做滾動式檢討而且不只是我們的稻米我們是針對所有農民各品項是都是一樣 |
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如果說可以針對單品項、各品項有一個機制叫滾動式檢討那麼大家會比較心安稻作也是、公糧也是也就是這一次會被提出來是很久沒條件了大家覺得很久沒條件了那我們不要說一下子訂到五塊錢我們訂一個是隨時每年滾動式檢討 |
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因為我們明明做很多對於農業的保護對於農業的支持對於農民的照顧我們民進黨做的太多 |
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而且比起過去的標準是多很多關我們的農損包括我們的植栽包括我們的農健保這些過去基本上都要靠農民自己本身但是我們現在用法治去協助他們 |
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所以在這樣的一個前提之下我們要讓更多人知道不能因為一個公糧的議題好像把民進黨打成說你都沒有在關心農民我覺得這樣子好辛苦喔所以表示我們對外所講的講得不清不楚我們立場沒有講清楚 |
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如果我們今天說的我們已經做了這麼多的投入作業的一個相關經費好我們也願意對於在整個公糧的一個收購我們每年去做滾動式檢討而且不只是到做這個品項而是所有相關的農業支持的品項 |
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只要他並不是在處於市場機制的一個狀態我們就應該每年去做滾動式檢討謝謝委員我想這個部分我們絕對可以認同也可以接受所以後續我想我們會建立一個機制就是針對一些政府有在投入的這些品項我們做一個有效的一個滾動機制那這個機制會看其他的政策的落實程度去做一個滾動的一個調整 |
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因為現在物價確實飆漲的比較快而且他會因為國內情勢跟國際情勢所以我們就要有這個擔當跟農民說會我們會依照各方的局勢 |
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一句話就把我們全部前面所做的都打翻了 |
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這對於公務人員也不公平對於執政政府也不公平可是農民也沒有錯他需要的是一個穩定收入所以我們更應該接近他們瞭解他們的想法穩定收入就是希望有政府來隨時關心他們而不是丟在那 英文都沒聽到 |
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委員會提醒 |
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陳委員亭妃：（11時9分）謝謝主席，我們請部長。 |
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主席：請陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：部長，我看你早上解釋很多，但是我要語重心長地問你一句話，為什麼農民的感受不到？我們已經花了那麼多的資源，包括我們從所謂的轉作，然後在一些相關的農業環境，基本的給付，然後轉作的獎勵，農業保險，甚至是我們一些相關的保價收購的部分，我們做了很多，但是農民為什麼感受不到？還是認為你就是要提高公糧收購價格，然後讓有些人一直喊這樣的口號，喊得好像沒有加的人就是因為不照顧農民。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們不管在政策推出來之前或之後，大概從上個月開始已經開了二十幾場說明會，大部分的農民是支持我們這樣的作法，但是還是…… |
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陳委員亭妃：可是聲音沒有出來啊！你說農民支持你這個說法，這聲音很小。 |
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陳部長駿季：對，我知道。 |
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陳委員亭妃：可是我相信如果你用民調的話，這些所謂支持要提高公糧收購價格的人聲音會比較大，為什麼？ |
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陳部長駿季：基本上用政府的經費去支持農民的直接收益的話，我想每個人都會拍拍手，但是只有少部分而已，如果今天是用全民調，就是包括其他產業的部分，以我們對產業的瞭解、認知…… |
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陳委員亭妃：你所謂的少部分是多少人？真正有在交公糧的，不論是全部交公糧或是部分交公糧。 |
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陳部長駿季：大概有12萬人，稻農大概有22.5萬人，那12萬人是跟公糧有來往的部分，其中2.2萬人是純粹繳公糧。我們目前主力從事農業的人大概是48.6萬到48.9萬之間，其他產業包括我們瞭解的雜糧產業，他們就覺得如果只照顧稻農，他們覺得很不服氣，因為他們也是很努力的為這片土地付出，去生產一些糧食安全所要的東西，但是他就沒有這個機制讓委員可以提高他們的保價收購模式。所以以農業部來講，我們看的是整體產業繼續往前走，因此我們提出了「1集、2轉、3加3」的政策，也是希望能夠兼顧到雜糧產業的發展。 |
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陳委員亭妃：所以，部長，我剛剛講的一個關鍵是，今天我們做了這麼多，可是為什麼農民的感受度沒有那麼深？就像你講的，今天如果增加收購價，大家會拍拍手，拍拍手的可能是12.2萬人左右，可是其他可能有三十幾萬的人還是沒有辦法被提高，包括像雜糧也已經七、八年沒有調整了，就像我講的，其實我們也應該有一個調整機制，滾動式檢討的機制。 |
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陳部長駿季：所以我同意也認同委員所說的，就是說我們對於現在…… |
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陳委員亭妃：花卉也是，對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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陳委員亭妃：我們應該提出滾動式檢討，我們不一定一次要拉到多高，可是我們應該對於所有產業面要滾動式檢討，就像我之前在農損的部分要求部長滾動式檢討一樣，在整個全面的收購價格，各種農作物的品項是不是也都應該去做滾動式檢討？ |
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陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，我們要看品項，有的品項純粹是市場機制的就是市場機制；有些品項是政府有參與一些配套的部分，不只是稻作，其他品項我們也會來做滾動的檢討，持續檢討才能夠有效的發現問題及解決問題。 |
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陳委員亭妃：所以，部長，我們應該跟農民說，在公糧收購的部分，我們會隨時滾動式檢討，對不對？ |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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陳委員亭妃：就是隨著現在市面上的狀況跟所有生產的量隨時做滾動式檢討，而且不只是稻米，我們是針對所有農民各品項，都是一樣。如果可以針對各品項有一個機制叫滾動式檢討，那麼大家會比較心安，稻作也是，公糧也是，也就是這一次會被提出來是因為很久沒調整了，大家覺得很久沒調整了，我們不要說一下子訂到5塊錢，我們訂的是隨時每年滾動式檢討，這樣不行嗎？可以吧！ |
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陳部長駿季：可以，謝謝委員的建議，這個我們會去落實、去真正建立一個滾動檢討的機制，然後看看外部的指標，我們要參考什麼樣的指標來做一個比較合理的施政措施的作為。 |
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陳委員亭妃：因為我們明明做很多，對於農業的保護、對於農業的支持、對於農民的照顧，我們民進黨做得太多，而且比起過去的標準是多很多，光農損，包括植栽，包括農健保，這些過去基本上都要靠農民自己本身，但是我們現在用法制去協助他們。所以在這樣的前提之下，我們要讓更多人知道，不能因為一個公糧議題，好像把民進黨打成都沒有在關心農民，我覺得這樣子好辛苦。所以表示我們對外所講的，講得不清不楚，我們立場沒有講清楚，如果我們今天說的，我們已經做了這麼多投入作業的相關經費，好，也願意對於整個公糧的收購每年去做滾動式檢討，而且不只是稻作這個品項，而是所有相關農業支持的品項，只要它不是處於市場機制的狀態，我們就應該每年做滾動式檢討。 |
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陳部長駿季：好，謝謝委員，這個部分我們絕對可以認同，也可以接受，所以後續我們會建立一個機制，就是針對一些政府有在投入的這些品項，我們做一個有效的滾動機制，這個機制會看其他政策的落實程度去做滾動的調整。 |
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陳委員亭妃：因為現在物價確實飆漲得比較快，而且它會因為國內情勢跟國際情勢，所以我們就要有這個擔當跟農民說：會，我們會依照各方的局勢做滾動式檢討，而且在整個保價收購的價格當中，我們會多面性而且綜觀性來保障農民收入。我覺得我們要有這樣的定調，農民才會安心。 |
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陳部長駿季：瞭解。 |
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陳委員亭妃：否則只要一句話說：很久沒調了。一句話就把我們全部前面所做的都打翻了，這對於公務人員也不公平，對於執政的政府也不公平，可是農民也沒有錯，他需要的是一個穩定收入。所以我們更應該接近他們，瞭解他們的想法，穩定收入就是希望有政府來隨時關心他們，而不是卡在那邊永遠不會動，是不是這個樣子？ |
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陳部長駿季：謝謝委員提醒。 |
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陳委員亭妃：所以部長再麻煩，我相信我們都來自基層，我們壓力都很大，走到基層的時候，大家罵我們說，委員，公糧的收購價已經很久沒調了！大家也是這樣跟我們說，就是說我們更應該站在執政黨立場提出更有效的、更有用的、更直接的，不是說一次要調高多少，而是我們每年滾動式檢討，負責任的，該調高就調高，有什麼問題？可是我們是負責任的，不是漫天喊價，而是我今天針對目前的國內局勢跟國際局勢，依照目前的狀態隨時調整，這樣一喊出來，我相信農民會安心，這個再拜託部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：好，謝謝委員的提醒。 |
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陳委員亭妃：謝謝。 |
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陳部長駿季：謝謝。 |
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主席：請洪申翰委員質詢。 |
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192 |
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委員會-11-2-19-6 |
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呂玉玲 |
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張嘉郡 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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廖偉翔 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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陳亭妃 |
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洪申翰 |
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陳超明 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳冠廷 |
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李坤城 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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邱志偉 |
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羅智強 |
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賴士葆 |
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涂權吉 |
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郭國文 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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蔡易餘 |
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洪孟楷 |
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麥玉珍 |
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徐富癸 |
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黃建賓 |
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許宇甄 |
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劉建國 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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2024-10-17 |
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1138501 |
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1138501_00003 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請農業部部長就「農業部對於立法院決議提高公糧收購價格之評估與執行方案」進行報告，並
備質詢 |
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1138501_00002 |