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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請經濟部的郭部長請郭部長委員好部長你好這個Google在美國 |
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他要跟河南的新創公司啊Keros Power前幾天宣布他已經承諾要購買這家公司建造的7座的SMR這事你知道吧你是說Google要用SMR對他要跟這家公司要Keros Power這個 |
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買7座的SM2是 報告委員我們都有在關注新的這個能源技術是 那我現在問你你今天今天這個有頭版條好幾個媒體頭版條叫你說要在國外設綠電廠這個其實就凸顯一個事情 |
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謝謝委員我想政府對核能政策是開放的 |
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那麼經濟部除了關注國家的發展情勢台電公司也持續在關注未來各項科技的發展我們會在這個三個條件之下 |
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講這個東西都假說的 |
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部長 原來你當經濟部長 外界是高度期待的覺得說一個企業界董事長 很了解企業的經營來當經濟部長 很好 有guts甚至於大家會有過 有一點多的期待 台灣電不夠啊 |
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你現在講去菲律賓去日本去哪裡那個電都貴啊核電最便宜啊大家對你有一個現在發現是不切實際的幻想以為郭部長來了會解套這個重啟 |
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河河山研議結果突然發現不是啊 國資會部長就想當官等於出賣自己的靈魂感冠這些都不要了 就是要想當官你可以看啊 前幾天我在總書刑的時候你都不來啊 這個去熊本 |
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我們都很清楚那些媒體都把你講出來講的你來看一下人家講的我都聽你難堪了今天如果我是你的話被人家這樣修理到說你是回訪了對不對去熊本是不是回訪 |
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報告這個委員我去熊本是幫助我們台灣到日本投資的廠商我替他們爭取更大的這個啊投資的這個福利那個你需要一定跨禮拜二跟禮拜五嗎這兩天都不來禮拜二到禮拜五這個東西秒數國會啊因為我在熊本談完了以後我要到東京去談在日本其他的這個投資的要件熊本行政什麼時候排的就行政什麼時候排的 |
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所以這院長替你被罵啊 |
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那我非常抱歉這個事情我們也不知道說那這個大宴會那麼時候在開會但是我確實是為了我們國家我們所有台灣的廠商在日本投資在爭取讓他在日本的投資可以得到更好的這個福利暑假之後什麼時候開會難道你不知道嗎都是9月22左右對但是報告委員日本來講的話我是與時俱進 |
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320.803 |
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我要強調一個部長阿來因為我時間快到了你不要一直吵阿部長我告訴你不要只想當官你要當官可以這麼愛當官你就好好地接受監督報告委員我不會想當官阿不會想當官你怎麼會我當官有什麼對我有什麼好處是啊有什麼好處人家叫我妹妹阿但是我今天來就是因為有一個使命我必須要利用我的專業讓我的經濟環境做得更好 |
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臺灣有幾條的海底電纜 |
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353.173 |
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臺灣的海底電纜跟我這個命題沒有關係啊報告委員我這個海底電纜不是臺灣要來做的喔臺灣現在也不管誰做了臺灣有4條 |
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364.632 |
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385.14 |
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這功能是不一樣的啊我告訴你10條最近5年36次的故障任何原因都可能海船的問題動物的問題都可能撞我在做的那個討論跟你現在在指教的這個部分是不一樣的命題報告委員你現在給我扯贏了齁我先告訴你 |
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我現在告訴你,你如果要在外界高度質疑喔是不是已經有這個人員的廠商跑去菲律賓設廠了所以你啊搭他的船,搭他的路這樣走,跟你說我很難聽耶,部長啊這個大概是,這個我講話不夠精準啦齁那但是事實上都不是各位所想像的那個情境 |
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那你告訴我們因為我時間到了我不要耽誤其他人的時間你告訴我當初的想法是什麼有突然冒出來這個東西想法就是我想我們現在在最近的看到這個新加坡從澳洲買綠電透過海嵐買了綠電4300公里英國買綠電透過非洲的國家買綠電4000公里所以那麼遠都可以買到了那你為什麼不從澎湖蓋個綠電廠從澎湖過來 |
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我看到說你對這件事情你對其他委員說你道歉了你確定道歉嗎媒體寫的好幾個媒體都這樣是啊但是我想媒體可能我的溝通能力不夠所以媒體有點誤會啦你不要道歉 |
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阿?你沒有道歉阿我剛才有在跟很多的委員都道歉阿都道歉了嘛所以媒體沒有錯我在這邊也跟委員您道歉照著您的誤會沒有我不希望你道歉我希望你把事情做好是謝謝現在感覺就是你事情沒有做好是一說就是我沒有謹言慎行這一點我非常抱歉一說就錯阿錯了就甩鍋就是這樣不可能唉真歹害啦謝謝委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:53:47 - 12:02:06 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長就「我國電力能源配比執行現況與未來規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（11時53分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請經濟部的郭部長。 |
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主席：請郭部長。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長你好。前幾天Google在美國跟核能新創公司Kairos Power宣布，它已經承諾要購買這家公司建造的7座SMR。這件事你知道了吧！ |
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郭部長智輝：您是說Google要用SMR。 |
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賴委員士葆：對，它要跟這一家公司Kairos Power買7座SMR。 |
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郭部長智輝：是，報告委員，我們都有在關注新的能源技術。 |
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賴委員士葆：我現在問你，今天有好幾個媒體頭版頭說你要在國外設綠電廠，這個其實就凸顯一件事情嘛！大家馬上直覺就想到經濟部長已經看到了，是經濟部長，而不是董事長而已，就看到了缺電嘛！我就問你，如果臺灣的一些資料中心（Data Center）有需要的話，你要不要提供協助，幫他們來想辦法也可以引進SMR？ |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝委員，我想政府對核能政策是開放的，經濟部除了關注國家的發展情勢，台電公司也持續在關注未來各項科技的發展…… |
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賴委員士葆：我時間短，請你回答我你要不要提供協助，就這樣子。 |
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郭部長智輝：是，我們會在三個條件之下啟動這樣的一個評估…… |
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賴委員士葆：連SMR也要三個條件？ |
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郭部長智輝：三個條件，第一個，確保核能安全；第二個，它的核廢料是可以處理的；第三，我們社會有共識。這三個條件之下，我們對這個命題是可以討論的。 |
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賴委員士葆：這三個的話，部長，說了等於沒有說啦！大家都知道要核安，要核廢料處理，大家想也知道…… |
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郭部長智輝：是啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：要有共識，大家想也知道，你說得嘴快破了，講這個東西都是多講的。 |
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部長，原來你當經濟部長外界是高度期待的，覺得一個企業界董事長很瞭解企業的經營，來當經濟部長很好，有guts，甚至於大家會有一點多的期待，因為臺灣電不夠啊！你現在講去菲律賓，去日本，去哪裡，那個電都貴啊！核電最便宜啊！現在發現大家對你有一個不切實際的幻想，原來以為郭部長來了會解套，重啟核二、核三延役，結果突然發現不是，郭智輝部長就想當官，等於出賣自己的靈魂一樣，這些都不要了，就是想要當官。 |
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你可以看喔！前幾天我在總質詢的時候你都不來，你去熊本，我們都很清楚，連媒體都把你講出來，你要看一下人家講的，我都替你難堪耶！今天如果我是你的話，被人家這樣修理……你是回訪嘛！對不對？去熊本是不是回訪？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我去熊本是幫助我們臺灣到日本投資的廠商，我替他們爭取更大的投資福利，所以我…… |
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賴委員士葆：你一定要跨禮拜二跟禮拜五嗎？這兩天都不來，禮拜二到禮拜五，這個是藐視國會啊！真的是！ |
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郭部長智輝：因為我在熊本談完了以後，我又到東京去談在日本其他投資的要件。 |
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賴委員士葆：請問這個行程什麼時候排的？這個行程什麼時候排的？ |
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郭部長智輝：兩個月以前。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩個月以前，難道你不知道立法院要總質詢嗎？你不知道立法院要總質詢嗎？對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：那個時候我們沒有確定總質詢在那個禮拜。 |
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賴委員士葆：明明就是吃定立法院，哪來的理由？這個東西…… |
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郭部長智輝：所以我有請假，我是有請假的，我請假也經過我的院長同意，也經過立法院院長同意。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以院長就替你被罵啊！對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：非常抱歉，我們也不知道大院會在那個時候開會，但是我確實是為了我們國家…… |
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賴委員士葆：查一下啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：我們所有臺灣的廠商在日本投資…… |
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賴委員士葆：難道你不知道立法院每一年什麼時候開議嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：我在爭取讓他們在日本的投資可以得到更好的福利。 |
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賴委員士葆：暑假之後什麼時候開議，難道你不知道嗎？都是9月20日左右…… |
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郭部長智輝：對，但是報告委員…… |
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賴委員士葆：你故意選在那個時候不來，對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，以日本來講的話，我是與時俱進啦…… |
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賴委員士葆：我還要強調一個，部長，因為我時間快到了，你不要一直插話。部長，我告訴你，不要只想當官，你要當官可以，這麼愛當官你就好好地接受監督，你不願意接受監督，對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我不會想當官啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：不會想當官，你怎麼會…… |
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郭部長智輝：當官對我有什麼好處？對不對？ |
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賴委員士葆：是啊！有什麼好處？你來這裡被罵而已，對不對？ |
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郭部長智輝：但是我今天來就是因為有一個使命…… |
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賴委員士葆：使命，都沒有啦！你什麼使命？你告訴我，什麼使命？ |
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郭部長智輝：我必須要利用我的專業，讓我們的經濟環境做得更好。 |
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賴委員士葆：你的使命就是電不夠要跑去菲律賓蓋，這個東西要去看一下啊！你知不知道海底電纜故障率多高？你知道嗎？海底電纜你知道嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：這個有專家會去做，不是我去做。 |
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賴委員士葆：我給你統計了，你連數字都不知道，隨便講，天馬行空亂講一通！ |
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郭部長智輝：我這個不是亂講的喔！這個現在是整個世界的命題啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我問你，臺灣有幾條海底電纜？ |
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郭部長智輝：臺灣的海底電纜跟我這個命題沒有關係。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然有關係，你要用海底電纜來送電啊！怎麼會沒有關係？ |
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郭部長智輝：不是，報告委員，我這個海底電纜不是臺灣要來做的。 |
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賴委員士葆：不管誰做啦！現在臺灣有10條…… |
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郭部長智輝：沒有啦！就不是讓臺灣的廠商去做嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：不管是臺灣自己做，還是外面做…… |
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郭部長智輝：這個功能是不一樣的。 |
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賴委員士葆：你扯離開話題了。我告訴你，10條，最近5年有36件的故障，任何原因都可能，海船的問題、動物的問題都可能，平均1年7件。 |
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郭部長智輝：我在做的那個討論跟你現在指教的部分是不一樣的命題，報告委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：你現在給我扯遠了，我現在告訴你，外界高度質疑是不是已經有能源廠商跑去菲律賓設廠了，所以你要搭他的船、搭他的路這樣走，把你說得很難聽耶！部長，這個…… |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，大概是我講話不夠精準啦！但是事實上都不是各位所想像的那個情境。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你告訴我們，因為我時間到了，我不要耽誤其他委員的時間，你告訴我當初的想法是什麼，突然冒出這個東西。 |
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郭部長智輝：想法就是我們在最近看到新加坡從澳洲買綠電，透過海纜買了綠電，4,300公里；英國買綠電，透過非洲的國家買綠電，4,000公里…… |
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賴委員士葆：你為什麼不直接…… |
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郭部長智輝：那麼遠都可以買到了…… |
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賴委員士葆：請問你，你為什麼不在澎湖蓋個綠電廠，從澎湖過來？為什麼不要？澎湖海底電纜都現成的耶！ |
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郭部長智輝：它土地太小了，土地太小。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼東西？ |
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郭部長智輝：土地不夠來發那麼多的電。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你都看過了。我看到針對這件事情，你對其他委員說你道歉了，你確定道歉了嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：什麼？ |
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賴委員士葆：媒體寫的，好幾個媒體都講，說你對講話不精準來道歉。 |
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郭部長智輝：是啦！可能我的溝通能力不夠，所以媒體有一點誤會。 |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有道歉？ |
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郭部長智輝：什麼？ |
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賴委員士葆：你沒有道歉？ |
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郭部長智輝：我剛才跟很多的委員都道歉了。 |
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賴委員士葆：都道歉了嘛！所以媒體沒有錯。 |
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郭部長智輝：我在這邊也跟委員道歉，造成您的誤會。 |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！沒有，我不需要你道歉，我希望你把事情做好。 |
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郭部長智輝：是，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在感覺就是你事情沒有做好，想到什麼就說。 |
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郭部長智輝：是，我沒有謹言慎行，這一點我非常抱歉。 |
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賴委員士葆：一說就錯，錯了就甩鍋，就是這樣。 |
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郭部長智輝：不可能。 |
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賴委員士葆：很悲哀啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：請萬美玲委員質詢。 |
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304 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-5 |
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呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
邱議瑩 |
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張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[30] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[31] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[32] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[33] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[34] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[35] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
209 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-16 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138401_00009 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長就「我國電力能源配比執行現況與未來規劃」進
行報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138401_00017 |
| IVOD_ID |
155569 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155569 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-5 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-16T11:53:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-16T12:02:06+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |