| IVOD_ID |
155562 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155562 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-16T11:34:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-16T11:48:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| 委員名稱 |
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謝謝主席我請財政部莊部長好請部長委員好部長你上任到現在齁有認真的一面啦不過我四個字定義你啦四重而交過去前一任內閣 |
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大概都拍拍畢業照都走了你是少數難得的那一兩位留下來但是就因為你被留下來你覺得你可能表現很好特殊才能獲得肯定所以才被留任但是我說你恃寵而交是什麼恃寵而交衍生而來的就是 |
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末手成乖、抱殘手缺就這麼簡單我拿稅制來講就好稅制跟你提那麼多次啦說我們有很多不合宜的稅制像娛樂稅、印花稅、汽車關稅、機車貨物稅保健品關稅 |
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這些都是現在最為社會所詬病的我相信你也很清楚啊跟你談了一個會期啦要求說你針對這五大不合時宜應該調整的稅制去做一些調整你馬上回答說委員這要先找到替代財源那我現在請問你啊 |
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六年前復仁稅復仁稅最高級距的所得稅45%復仁稅你一點不曉得怎麼搞的可能風大了一點就取消了我要請問復仁稅替代財源在哪裡你找到了沒有根本沒有那你不是取消嗎明白 |
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我是告訴你我還沒有你掌握的份啦我觀察你很久啦你就是那個態度我跟你講齁我跟你講如果你只是要守住這些稅收我一毛多不少你要莫守成規 |
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這些國產你通通不要動那坦白講你的位置那就負稅署長來做就好啊那就國庫署長來做就好啊甚至那101董事長來做也可以啊101董事長至少他夠年輕有衝勁不是這樣嗎他願意嘗試嘛願意把立法院的聲音 |
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聽進去好好研究不是嗎啊你聽了一整個會期我看你有聽到沒聽到就對了所以我不懂啦我不懂你這是這是什麼樣的心態對你而言我上個會期我說我要送你一個十字架這個十字架橫批就是國產直批就是稅收 |
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你的那個態度跟你現在表情一樣誰都想要搶走我的十字架你就是你就是這個態度但是我們現在社會需要的是很多創新跟改革比方說稅制你知道嗎那個我們機車有1400萬輛每年增加20萬輛你把機車 |
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貨物稅平均下去每輛機車我們抽2萬5到3萬的稅金而機車是現在年輕朋友們是上班族、送貨族他們最需要的交通工具而且是他們的生財工具結果 |
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機車這麼高的現在買部機車隨隨便便7、8萬就是因為3萬塊的稅金這該降你不降 |
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好了你說找到替代裁員我今天就請問你啊我剛剛講的這些包括運貨稅包括娛樂稅好歹你也找學者專家來研究一下嘛不是這樣嗎你也擬出一下要不然我們怎麼對策要不然我們逐年來講你通通都不 |
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我跟你講喔,今年的稅金三兆一千你說嘛你自己說要收三兆一千五百億五百億不講啦人家這樣不要說啦,三兆一千億就好機車貨物稅五十億這個對比起來像什麼呢對比起來像你身上帶的三千一百塊錢那五塊錢銅板不是嗎 |
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五十億就像五塊錢銅板你身上帶了三千一百塊你掉了五塊錢銅板你還懶得撿勒你怕沾到水溝水勒不是這樣嗎弄髒了手所以你根本就是沒有那個心要在稅制上面在你轄管的這麼重大攸關全民福祉 |
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利益的稅制上面去做調整那其他更不用講我們提案不只我好幾席立委我們提案我們提要對中小企業加薪的部分減稅投一個反對的又是你啦好啦我今天再跟你提另外一個議題你有帶九大公營航庫董事長、總經理來嗎我先前在講說 |
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我對於這薯條三兄弟啊這三大租賃公司他們的惡行惡狀我就不講我講說他跟我們公營行戶借款齁這個部分連審計部的報告裡面人家他也他觀點跟我都一次他在檢討這個我就講裡面的一點就好他說啊 |
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公營航庫貸款給薯條三兄弟的說利息最低的利息只有0.95%部長你問一下那個九大公營航庫站起來我看一下好不好誰貸款給薯條三兄弟0.95%誰啦哪一家自己舉手 |
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審計部查的啊審計部的報告時間暫停九大公營航空有沒有來有沒有來有來你站起來好不好你們查一下啊哪一家沒那麼低審計部講的啊所以我才問我在執行的時候我還幫你們講話說欸你們吼 |
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一、六、五趴這個就已經超低啦為什麼你借他一、六、五趴鼠條三兄弟去借二十趴給我們需要錢的民眾他們是吸血高利貸耶公營安庫這麼做叫做助紂為虐 |
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好了現在我說的1.65人家審計部說沒有利率是0.介於0.95啦有啦高一點 |
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你們借高一點有到4%、5%啦那個部長你怎麼說你回去查查好不好我們這裡也有資料但是到6月在6月的話都是2、2.5左右以上的沒有到0.9的對啦那個我說1.65以後我自己看了資料我查到最低的啦第一銀行是不是還是台銀1.11啦現在審計部的報告你們說0.95 |
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所以部長你還寫一份我要求署條三兄弟的事情你還寫了一份你是來質疑我是不是你說王委員質詢內容將不同年度之年均年平均動用金額相加起來簡單講啦公營航空借了1450億給 |
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屬條三兄弟去放高利貸這是事實九大供應安庫你們董事長、總經理都換新了啦我希望你們回去因為這先前不是你們幹的所以你們回去好好檢討這些事情千萬不要助紂為虐好不好九大之後你們幾個站起來其他呢 |
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一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八九位齁我少算請坐請坐那個部長你請回來你把我剛講的這些你帶回去好好想一想啦謝謝委員那個金管會來金管今天主委請假齁副主委一樣一樣那個副主委委員好 |
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講到薯條三兄弟齁那時候你們有到我研究室來我們現在用一個最新的方式啦齁就是說從金融消費保護法那麼從這邊先來做起那就是找薯條三兄弟商量就是請他要接受金融消費保護法的約束你說要去找他們談給薯條三兄弟一個重量的機會啦 |
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那結果去談的怎麼樣?是,那我們有先請理事長邀這三家公司到我們會來談那目前為止的話我們的這個執法這邊的也在草擬當中那當然還是會有一些反彈但是我們就跟他講那個這個東西是社會的公益我們要管的目前為止這只是一個過渡將來還有專法 |
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所以寧願現在進來我們也會其實讓他們在這個所謂的這個在借款這方面如果他們願意進來我們也會有一些比較適當的輔導措施我簡單講就是給他重量的機會他現在還拒絕就對了 |
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那就是非得我們因為我們立法我們現在好幾位我們都在寫融資注定公司管理法那因為本會期是預算會期我們怕這個案子要通過可能還要再更久一點的時間所以才會妥協說要不然先用這個法去約束他們 |
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你最短時間內把這個具體看談判的過程結果怎麼樣給我好不好主席不好意思我最後再一分鐘那個我們現在大的政策方向我們國家要成立我們要作為亞太金融中心這個非常好可是 |
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那個副主委你記不記得我提過亞太金融中心我們就是希望亞洲各國尤其東南亞大家把錢來到我們台灣投資讓我們台灣來管理可是我當時就點 |
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我說我們國家的受險資金可動用資金餘額32兆裡面有70%有22兆 |
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是買國外的債券跟基金我們希望管別人的資金結果自己的錢一百塊裡面七十塊是給別人管然後再成立什麼很奇怪囉我們自己承認說國外的比我們更好 |
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有人逼我們好我們就不是最好不是嗎那我們找誰來投資我們來在我們這邊做金融營運中心這不是矛盾嗎更何況這70%很多都已經曝顯了戰爭的風險俄國的部分匯率的風險各國都有一些匯率的風險所以我一再的講 |
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我們應該每一年至少3%到5%趕快引導他們回來投入我們國內需要的公共建設我們國內的公共建設除了看得到的 |
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社會住宅、交通設施、捷運、鐵路以外我們還有長照我們還有那麼多長照設服機構需要列入公共建設的資金來幫助好不好我希望你把這些話聽下去這是這會期我後續會再跟你們來追蹤的好不好是謝謝委員指教我們一定努力好謝謝 |
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接著我們請羅明財委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席，請財政部莊部長。 |
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主席 |
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好，請部長。 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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委員好。 |
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部長，你從上任到現在，的確是有認真的一面啦！ |
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2024-10-16T11:34:34.005000+08:00 |
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不過本席要用四個字來定義你，就是恃寵而驕。 |
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0.474 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:34:40.030000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:35:03.291000+08:00 |
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前一任內閣拍過畢業照後，大概都走了，你是少數難得留下來的一、兩位，但就因為你被留下來，所以你可能覺得自己表現的很好、有特殊才能，所以獲得肯定被留任。 |
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0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:35:05.392000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-10-16T11:35:07.853000+08:00 |
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本席說你恃寵而驕是什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-10-16T11:35:07.853000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-10-16T11:35:16.750000+08:00 |
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因為恃寵而驕衍生而來的，就是墨守成規、抱殘守缺，就這麼簡單。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:35:16.931000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:35:43.449000+08:00 |
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本席拿稅制來說就好，關於稅制，之前已經向你提了很多次，我們有很多不合宜的稅制，像娛樂稅、印花稅、汽車關稅、機車貨物稅、保健品關稅，這些都是現在最被社會詬病的，本席相信你也很清楚啊！ |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:35:46.351000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:36:03.704000+08:00 |
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之前已經和你談了一個會期，要求你針對這五大不合時宜、應該調整的稅制做一些調整，但是你馬上回答，委員，這要先找到替代財源。 |
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0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:04.745000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:26.426000+08:00 |
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本席現在請問你，6年前的富人稅，就是所得稅的最高級距45%，那一年不曉得怎麼搞的，可能風大了一點，結果就取消了，請問富人稅的替代財源在哪裡？ |
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0.717 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:26.426000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:27.507000+08:00 |
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你找到了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:29.168000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:29.768000+08:00 |
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根本沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:30.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:31.229000+08:00 |
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但你們不是取消了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:31.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:33.512500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我能說明嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:33.512500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:35.796000+08:00 |
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第一個，所得稅這個富人稅…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:35.796000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:38.957000+08:00 |
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本席是先告訴你，還沒有讓你回答啦！ |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-10-16T11:36:39.838000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-10-16T11:36:41.198000+08:00 |
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本席觀察你很久了，你就是那樣的態度。 |
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0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:36:41.498000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:37:04.871000+08:00 |
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本席告訴你，如果你只是要守住這些稅收，讓它一毛都不少，或者墨守成規，這些國產通通不要動，坦白說，你的位置叫賦稅署長來做就好啊！ |
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0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:06.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:07.632000+08:00 |
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叫國庫署長來做就好啊！ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:08.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:12.014000+08:00 |
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甚至讓101董事長來做也可以啊！ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:14.214000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:18.276000+08:00 |
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至少101董事長夠年輕、有衝勁，不是這樣嗎？ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:18.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:18.556000+08:00 |
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他願意嘗試嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:18.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:30.812000+08:00 |
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願意把立法院的聲音聽進去，然後好好研究，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:30.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:34.614000+08:00 |
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你聽了一整個會期，但本席認為你就像沒聽到一樣。 |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:37.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:37.414000+08:00 |
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本席不懂啦！ |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:38.355000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-10-16T11:37:42.756000+08:00 |
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本席不懂你是什麼樣的心態。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-10-16T11:37:43.717000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:38:04.457000+08:00 |
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上個會期本席說要送你一個十字架，這個十字架的橫批是國產，直批是稅收，你的態度就像現在一樣，誰都休想搶走我的十字架，你就是這個態度。 |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-10-16T11:38:05.777000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-10-16T11:38:14.342000+08:00 |
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但是現在社會需要的是很多創新和改革，比方稅制，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-10-16T11:38:15.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-10-16T11:38:32.711000+08:00 |
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我們有1,400萬輛機車，每年增加20萬輛，機車貨物稅平均下去，每輛機車差不多要課25,000元到30,000元的稅金。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.675 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-10-16T11:38:34.672000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:38:53.436000+08:00 |
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可是機車是現在年輕朋友們、上班族、送貨族最需要的交通工具，而且是他們的生財工具，結果機車的價格這麼高，現在買一部機車隨隨便便就要七、八萬元，就是因為這3萬元的稅金，這個稅金該降，但是你們不降。 |
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0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:39:00.155000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:39:13.198000+08:00 |
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好，你說要找到替代財源，本席今天就要請問你，本席剛剛說的這些，包括印花稅、娛樂稅，好歹你們也要找學者專家來研究一下嘛！ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-10-16T11:39:13.998000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-10-16T11:39:15.098000+08:00 |
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不是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-16T11:39:15.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-16T11:39:22.540000+08:00 |
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你們應該研擬一些意見，或者提出對策，或者逐年調降，但是你們通通都沒做。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.355 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-16T11:39:24.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-16T11:39:30.972000+08:00 |
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本席告訴你，今年的稅金，你自己說要收3兆1,500億元，這500億元先不說啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-10-16T11:39:32.894000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-10-16T11:39:40.601000+08:00 |
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零頭就不要說了，只說3兆1,000億元的部分就好，這和機車貨物稅50億元對比起來像什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-10-16T11:39:42.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-16T11:39:45.085000+08:00 |
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就像你身上帶了3,100元，機車貨物稅只是其中的5元銅板，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.44 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-10-16T11:39:51.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-16T11:39:58.764000+08:00 |
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50億元就像5元銅板，你身上帶了3,100元，假如掉了5元銅板，你還懶得撿！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-10-16T11:40:00.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-10-16T11:40:03.466000+08:00 |
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因為你怕沾到水溝的水，不是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-10-16T11:40:03.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-10-16T11:40:04.086000+08:00 |
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因為會弄髒手。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-10-16T11:40:06.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-10-16T11:40:25.582000+08:00 |
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所以你根本就是沒有心，對你轄管的、這麼重大的，攸關全民福祉、利益的稅制做調整，其他的更不用說了。 |
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0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-10-16T11:40:26.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-10-16T11:40:40.169000+08:00 |
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我們也有提案，不只是本席，有好幾位立委提案，對中小企業加薪的部分減稅，結果頭一個反對的又是你啦！好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-10-16T11:40:40.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-16T11:40:44.431000+08:00 |
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本席今天再和你提另外一個議題，今天你有帶九大公營行庫董事長、總經理出席。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-10-16T11:40:44.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-16T11:40:45.431000+08:00 |
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有，通通都在座。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:40:44.591000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:13.917000+08:00 |
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先前本席說過，對薯條三兄弟，就是對這三大租賃公司的看法，他們的惡形惡狀，本席就不說了，本席只說他們向公營行庫借款的問題，這部分連審計部的報告也有提到，他們的觀點和本席一致，而且他們也在檢討這個部分。 |
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0.578 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-16T11:41:14.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:33.707000+08:00 |
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本席只提其中一點就好，它說公營行庫貸款給薯條三兄弟，最低利息只有0.95%。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:33.707000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:38.531000+08:00 |
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部長，請你問一下，請九大公營行庫的人站起來，讓本席看一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:38.751000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:40.052000+08:00 |
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誰貸款給薯條三兄弟0.95%的利息？誰啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:40.092000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:40.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
哪一家？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:40.312000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:40.712000+08:00 |
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自己舉手。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:46.804000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:48.986000+08:00 |
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審計部查了，這是審計部的報告。 |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:51.368000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:51.368000+08:00 |
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時間暫停。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:53.710000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:54.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
九大公營行庫的人有沒有來？ |
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0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
主席 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:54.251000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:55.251000+08:00 |
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時間暫停。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:54.551000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:58.354000+08:00 |
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有沒有來？有。有來？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:41:58.494000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-10-16T11:41:59.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
請你們站起來，好不好？ |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:00.376000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-10-16T11:42:01.577000+08:00 |
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你們查一下是哪一家。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
何董事長英明 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-10-16T11:42:04.579000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-10-16T11:42:04.959000+08:00 |
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沒那麼低。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:06.501000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:08.342000+08:00 |
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這是審計部的報告，所以本席才會提問。 |
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0.5 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:10.544000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-10-16T11:42:20.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
本席質詢的時候還幫你們說話，1.65%的利率已經超低，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:20.654000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-10-16T11:42:29.161000+08:00 |
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你們借他們1.65%的利率，可是薯條三兄弟卻是以20%的利率借給需要用錢的民眾？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:29.161000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-10-16T11:42:38.414000+08:00 |
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他們是吸血高利貸，公營行庫這麼做叫助紂為虐。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-10-16T11:42:39.694000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:45.077000+08:00 |
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現在本席是說1.65%，但審計部說利率是0.95%。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:47.898000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:42:56.839000+08:00 |
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利率高一點的的確有到4%、5%，部長，你怎麼說？ |
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0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-10-16T11:42:56.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-10-16T11:42:57.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
請你回去查一查，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-10-16T11:42:58.120000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-10-16T11:43:06.164000+08:00 |
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我們這裡也有資料，6月都是2.5%左右或以上，沒有到0.9%。對啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:06.925000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:14.028000+08:00 |
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本席說了1.65%這個數字以後，自己也看了資料，查到的最低一筆是第一銀行或臺銀的1.11%，現在審計部的報告是0.95%。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.604 |
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王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:21.928000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:29.191000+08:00 |
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部長，本席提出薯條三兄弟的事情之後，你還寫了一份報告質疑本席，是不是？不敢。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.606 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-10-16T11:43:29.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-10-16T11:43:37.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
你說王委員質詢內容將不同年度之年平均動用金額相加起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:37.274000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:37.274000+08:00 |
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簡單說啦！ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-10-16T11:43:37.435000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:51.152000+08:00 |
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公營行庫借了1,450億元給薯條三兄弟放高利貸，這是事實。 |
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0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
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2024-10-16T11:43:51.152000+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:44:04.840000+08:00 |
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九大公營行庫的董事長、總經理都換新了，因為這是先前的事，不是你們幹的，所以你們回去好好檢討這些事情，千萬不要助紂為虐，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:04.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-16T11:44:06.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
請九大公營行庫的人站起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:06.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:07.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
怎麼只有你們幾個？喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:13.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:16.722000+08:00 |
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的確有九位，剛才是本席少算，請坐。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:19.784000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:23.706000+08:00 |
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部長請回，請你把本席剛才說的這些帶回去好好想一想啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:24.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:25.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:26.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:28.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
請金管會。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:28.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:31.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
今天主委請假，請副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳副主任委員彥良 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:31.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:31.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-10-16T11:44:36.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-10-16T11:44:59.672000+08:00 |
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副主委，說到薯條三兄弟，那時候你們有到本席研究室說明，現在是用最新的方式管理，就是從金融消費保護法做起，你們會找薯條三兄弟商量，請他們接受金融消費保護法的約束。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-10-16T11:45:00.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-10-16T11:45:08.383000+08:00 |
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你說要去找他們談，給薯條三兄弟一個從良的機會，結果談的怎麼樣？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳副主任委員彥良 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-10-16T11:45:09.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-10-16T11:45:21.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我們有先請理事長邀這三家公司到金管會來談，目前我們也在草擬子法當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
陳副主任委員彥良 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-10-16T11:45:22.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-10-16T11:45:33.513000+08:00 |
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當然，還是會有一些反彈，但是我們也告訴他們，這是社會公益，我們是要管的，目前只是一個過渡，將來還有專法，所以寧願現在就加入。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳副主任委員彥良 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-10-16T11:45:39.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-10-16T11:45:44.266000+08:00 |
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在借款方面，如果他們願意納入管理，我們也會有一些比較適當的輔導措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-10-16T11:45:44.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-10-16T11:45:47.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
簡單說就是給他們從良的機會，但他們還是拒絕。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-10-16T11:45:51.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-10-16T11:46:07.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
現在好幾位委員都在研擬融資租賃公司管理法，因為本會期是預算會期，我們怕通過這個案子可能需要更久的時間，所以才會妥協，先用這個法去約束他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-10-16T11:46:08.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-10-16T11:46:14.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
請你在最短的時間內，把談判過程、結果提供給本席，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
陳副主任委員彥良 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-10-16T11:46:14.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-10-16T11:46:15.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
是，好的。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-10-16T11:46:15.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-10-16T11:46:20.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
主席，不好意思，最後再1分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
王委員世堅 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-10-16T11:46:20.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-10-16T11:47:16.211000+08:00 |
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我們現在的政策方向就是要做亞太金融中心，這個非常好，可是副主委，你記不記得本席提過，關於亞太金融中心，我們就是希望亞洲各國，尤其是東南亞，大家把錢拿到臺灣投資，讓臺灣管理，可是本席當時就點明，我們國家的壽險資金，可動用資金餘額有32兆元，其中70%，也就是有22兆元是買國外的債券和基金，我們希望管理別人的資金，結果自己的錢，100元裡面有70元是給別人管，那要再成立什麼？ |
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王委員世堅 |
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這樣就很奇怪囉！ |
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王委員世堅 |
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我們自己承認國外的管理比我們更好，既然有人比我們好，我們就不是最好的，不是嗎？ |
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王委員世堅 |
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那我們要找誰來投資？ |
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王委員世堅 |
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找誰到這邊做金融營運中心？ |
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王委員世堅 |
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這不是矛盾嗎？ |
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王委員世堅 |
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更何況這70%當中很多都已經暴險，有戰爭的風險，這是俄國的部分，還有匯率的風險，各國都有一些匯率風險。 |
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王委員世堅 |
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所以本席一再的說，至少每一年要有3%到5%，趕快引導他們回來投入國內需要的公共建設。 |
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王委員世堅 |
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國內的公共建設除了看得到的社會住宅、交通設施、捷運、鐵路以外，我們還有那麼多長照社福機構需要投入公共建設資金幫助，好不好？ |
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王委員世堅 |
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本席希望你把這些話聽進去，這會期本席會再追蹤，好不好？ |
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陳副主任委員彥良 |
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是，謝謝委員指教，我們一定努力。 |
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王委員世堅 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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接著請羅明才委員質詢。 |
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| 會議時間 |
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| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:14 - 11:48:39 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查「證券交易稅條例」7案：
(一) 行政院函請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員羅明才等20人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員賴惠員等37人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】
(六) 本院委員林楚茵等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】
(七) 本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
【10月16日及17日二天一次會】） |
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王委員世堅：（11時34分）謝謝主席，請財政部莊部長。 |
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主席：好，請部長。 |
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莊部長翠雲：委員好。 |
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王委員世堅：部長，你從上任到現在，的確是有認真的一面啦！不過本席要用四個字來定義你，就是恃寵而驕。前一任內閣拍過畢業照後，大概都走了，你是少數難得留下來的一、兩位，但就因為你被留下來，所以你可能覺得自己表現的很好、有特殊才能，所以獲得肯定被留任。本席說你恃寵而驕是什麼意思？因為恃寵而驕衍生而來的，就是墨守成規、抱殘守缺，就這麼簡單。 |
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本席拿稅制來說就好，關於稅制，之前已經向你提了很多次，我們有很多不合宜的稅制，像娛樂稅、印花稅、汽車關稅、機車貨物稅、保健品關稅，這些都是現在最被社會詬病的，本席相信你也很清楚啊！之前已經和你談了一個會期，要求你針對這五大不合時宜、應該調整的稅制做一些調整，但是你馬上回答，委員，這要先找到替代財源。 |
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本席現在請問你，6年前的富人稅，就是所得稅的最高級距45%，那一年不曉得怎麼搞的，可能風大了一點，結果就取消了，請問富人稅的替代財源在哪裡？你找到了沒有？根本沒有！但你們不是取消了嗎？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我能說明嗎？第一個，所得稅這個富人稅…… |
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王委員世堅：本席是先告訴你，還沒有讓你回答啦！本席觀察你很久了，你就是那樣的態度。本席告訴你，如果你只是要守住這些稅收，讓它一毛都不少，或者墨守成規，這些國產通通不要動，坦白說，你的位置叫賦稅署長來做就好啊！叫國庫署長來做就好啊！甚至讓101董事長來做也可以啊！至少101董事長夠年輕、有衝勁，不是這樣嗎？他願意嘗試嘛！願意把立法院的聲音聽進去，然後好好研究，不是嗎？你聽了一整個會期，但本席認為你就像沒聽到一樣。 |
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本席不懂啦！本席不懂你是什麼樣的心態。上個會期本席說要送你一個十字架，這個十字架的橫批是國產，直批是稅收，你的態度就像現在一樣，誰都休想搶走我的十字架，你就是這個態度。但是現在社會需要的是很多創新和改革，比方稅制，你知道嗎？我們有1,400萬輛機車，每年增加20萬輛，機車貨物稅平均下去，每輛機車差不多要課25,000元到30,000元的稅金。 |
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可是機車是現在年輕朋友們、上班族、送貨族最需要的交通工具，而且是他們的生財工具，結果機車的價格這麼高，現在買一部機車隨隨便便就要七、八萬元，就是因為這3萬元的稅金，這個稅金該降，但是你們不降。好，你說要找到替代財源，本席今天就要請問你，本席剛剛說的這些，包括印花稅、娛樂稅，好歹你們也要找學者專家來研究一下嘛！不是這樣嗎？你們應該研擬一些意見，或者提出對策，或者逐年調降，但是你們通通都沒做。 |
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本席告訴你，今年的稅金，你自己說要收3兆1,500億元，這500億元先不說啦！零頭就不要說了，只說3兆1,000億元的部分就好，這和機車貨物稅50億元對比起來像什麼呢？就像你身上帶了3,100元，機車貨物稅只是其中的5元銅板，不是嗎？50億元就像5元銅板，你身上帶了3,100元，假如掉了5元銅板，你還懶得撿！因為你怕沾到水溝的水，不是這樣嗎？因為會弄髒手。 |
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所以你根本就是沒有心，對你轄管的、這麼重大的，攸關全民福祉、利益的稅制做調整，其他的更不用說了。我們也有提案，不只是本席，有好幾位立委提案，對中小企業加薪的部分減稅，結果頭一個反對的又是你啦！好啦！本席今天再和你提另外一個議題，今天你有帶九大公營行庫董事長、總經理出席。 |
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莊部長翠雲：有，通通都在座。 |
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王委員世堅：先前本席說過，對薯條三兄弟，就是對這三大租賃公司的看法，他們的惡形惡狀，本席就不說了，本席只說他們向公營行庫借款的問題，這部分連審計部的報告也有提到，他們的觀點和本席一致，而且他們也在檢討這個部分。本席只提其中一點就好，它說公營行庫貸款給薯條三兄弟，最低利息只有0.95%。 |
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部長，請你問一下，請九大公營行庫的人站起來，讓本席看一下，好不好？誰貸款給薯條三兄弟0.95%的利息？誰啦？哪一家？自己舉手。審計部查了，這是審計部的報告。時間暫停。九大公營行庫的人有沒有來？ |
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主席：時間暫停。 |
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王委員世堅：有沒有來？ |
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主席：有。 |
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王委員世堅：有來？請你們站起來，好不好？你們查一下是哪一家。 |
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何董事長英明：沒那麼低。 |
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王委員世堅：這是審計部的報告，所以本席才會提問。本席質詢的時候還幫你們說話，1.65%的利率已經超低，為什麼？你們借他們1.65%的利率，可是薯條三兄弟卻是以20%的利率借給需要用錢的民眾？他們是吸血高利貸，公營行庫這麼做叫助紂為虐。好啦！現在本席是說1.65%，但審計部說利率是0.95%。利率高一點的的確有到4%、5%，部長，你怎麼說？請你回去查一查，好不好？ |
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莊部長翠雲：我們這裡也有資料，6月都是2.5%左右或以上，沒有到0.9%。 |
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王委員世堅：對啦！本席說了1.65%這個數字以後，自己也看了資料，查到的最低一筆是第一銀行或臺銀的1.11%，現在審計部的報告是0.95%。部長，本席提出薯條三兄弟的事情之後，你還寫了一份報告質疑本席，是不是？ |
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莊部長翠雲：不敢。 |
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王委員世堅：你說王委員質詢內容將不同年度之年平均動用金額相加起來。簡單說啦！公營行庫借了1,450億元給薯條三兄弟放高利貸，這是事實。九大公營行庫的董事長、總經理都換新了，因為這是先前的事，不是你們幹的，所以你們回去好好檢討這些事情，千萬不要助紂為虐，好不好？請九大公營行庫的人站起來。怎麼只有你們幾個？喔！的確有九位，剛才是本席少算，請坐。部長請回，請你把本席剛才說的這些帶回去好好想一想啦！ |
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莊部長翠雲：謝謝委員。 |
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王委員世堅：請金管會。今天主委請假，請副主委。 |
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陳副主任委員彥良：委員好。 |
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王委員世堅：副主委，說到薯條三兄弟，那時候你們有到本席研究室說明，現在是用最新的方式管理，就是從金融消費保護法做起，你們會找薯條三兄弟商量，請他們接受金融消費保護法的約束。你說要去找他們談，給薯條三兄弟一個從良的機會，結果談的怎麼樣？ |
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陳副主任委員彥良：是。我們有先請理事長邀這三家公司到金管會來談，目前我們也在草擬子法當中。當然，還是會有一些反彈，但是我們也告訴他們，這是社會公益，我們是要管的，目前只是一個過渡，將來還有專法，所以寧願現在就加入。在借款方面，如果他們願意納入管理，我們也會有一些比較適當的輔導措施。 |
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王委員世堅：簡單說就是給他們從良的機會，但他們還是拒絕。現在好幾位委員都在研擬融資租賃公司管理法，因為本會期是預算會期，我們怕通過這個案子可能需要更久的時間，所以才會妥協，先用這個法去約束他們。請你在最短的時間內，把談判過程、結果提供給本席，好不好？ |
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陳副主任委員彥良：是，好的。 |
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王委員世堅：主席，不好意思，最後再1分鐘。我們現在的政策方向就是要做亞太金融中心，這個非常好，可是副主委，你記不記得本席提過，關於亞太金融中心，我們就是希望亞洲各國，尤其是東南亞，大家把錢拿到臺灣投資，讓臺灣管理，可是本席當時就點明，我們國家的壽險資金，可動用資金餘額有32兆元，其中70%，也就是有22兆元是買國外的債券和基金，我們希望管理別人的資金，結果自己的錢，100元裡面有70元是給別人管，那要再成立什麼？這樣就很奇怪囉！ |
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我們自己承認國外的管理比我們更好，既然有人比我們好，我們就不是最好的，不是嗎？那我們要找誰來投資？找誰到這邊做金融營運中心？這不是矛盾嗎？更何況這70%當中很多都已經暴險，有戰爭的風險，這是俄國的部分，還有匯率的風險，各國都有一些匯率風險。所以本席一再的說，至少每一年要有3%到5%，趕快引導他們回來投入國內需要的公共建設。國內的公共建設除了看得到的社會住宅、交通設施、捷運、鐵路以外，我們還有那麼多長照社福機構需要投入公共建設資金幫助，好不好？本席希望你把這些話聽進去，這會期本席會再追蹤，好不好？ |
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陳副主任委員彥良：是，謝謝委員指教，我們一定努力。 |
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王委員世堅：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：接著請羅明才委員質詢。 |
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340 |
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委員會-11-2-20-2 |
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賴惠員 |
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林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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郭國文 |
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李彥秀 |
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王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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277 |
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2024-10-16 |
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1138501 |
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1138501_00005 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理（含各轉投資事業機構公
股代表之董、監事）列席業務報告，並備質詢；二、審查「證券交易稅條例」5案：(一)行政院函
請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員羅明才等20人
擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交
易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等
19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員邱志偉等19
人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案 |
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1138501_00004 |