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在能源配比的現況 |
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那在2023年經濟部的報告裡面花電站的比例你的燃煤是42.2但是台電的報告是34.1在燃氣的方面 |
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李經濟部的報告是39.5臺電的報告是44.1那核能差的都也不大差了0.7%再生能源差了4%我現在想不到南美跟南汽兩個報告怎麼會不一樣 |
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報告委員我是不是請曾董事長來跟您做個詳細的報告不要詳細我大概了解一下詳細講我時間都跟您講完就沒辦法分析其他問題 |
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那個我們民間有很多自用發電設備能源署的統計是全部臺電公司只報告臺電那我們民間的發電比較多還是燃煤但臺電已經顯然是你這樣迷迷糊糊我以為你臺電做假燃煤把它降低燃氣降高你不要讓我後悔不好意思 |
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好 我要開始了 第一 我要請教部長我們的中鋼公司經濟部管得到嗎 它是我們的公務事業部 監督得到嗎 |
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你有沒有能力管到中鋼公司啊?部長你不要叫國營私營有沒有能力啦我給他提這個問題我看這個問題中鋼公司是非常優秀的公司但是他在我們台灣的離岸風力裡面表現非常失敗增資64億6年把它虧損 |
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第一次中鋼30億,第二次的爭執是包括國家發展委員會、中鋼國、中鋼機械公司、中鋼……而且我看他寫出來的文章,我還很遺憾,好像他委屈很多 |
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阿北部的那私資鋼鐵是私人的公司現在突然膨脹的很大你中鋼公司是代表國家你離岸分離的自治力沒有辦法成功該要學的 |
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我會要你們的報告也會要說國貨會提出這個報告這是很壞的現象 |
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尤其中央公司是南部的私立團體聽說那裏面很複雜一般人都不敢去碰不敢去摸啊看你這裏面有氣瓢 |
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我會向委員請教如何來督導這個中鋼像我 我不敢 我沒那麼厲害你只有企業的人你更厲害但是一些消息員工你才知道這樣好不好好 謝謝 謝謝保證你人家沿途工會又開始的手帶著荷艾的連你那看也不錯我向你請教你這個老委員你一直這樣不支持以公務預算來貼補台電 |
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但是你跟北匯分,你說立法院不支持波普的話,將調漲電價來應用虧損。你以前本來是支持說到這個時候應該會合,我只能怪你說 |
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我們新珠牌啊你不要那個非核價延期民進黨新珠牌你亂講你習得來吃雞湯飯你都不想理啊我告訴你這狀態的恐怖就在這個地方你有沒有生同感受是的完全感同身受我昨天看到報紙說你要去菲律賓齁我不知道種田開電廠 |
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說你在發想,發想你一出來做生意企業的精神就常常要有夢想,常常有發想。習門就開始跟你修理,但是我保證你要學習,理想是很豐滿的。 |
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現實是很骨感我問你菲律賓可靠不可靠你常常說第4會聯盟雖然高性命你不要做得那麼偉大你太多台灣這隊你給我好我們就叫你英雄啊我是很良心跟你建議的你那個電送過來各方面我想了很多阿菲律賓的狀況你曉得嘛 |
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我現在剩下你聽 |
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臺電公司都很優秀,就是被政策害死。蔡英文當總統時連續動漲7次,沒人這樣去做啦,要討好百姓,今天真有夠他頂不住了,換你來當代罪羔羊。 |
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117年你們調漲8.4%電能價調漲8.4%您跟我們報告一年可以收291億113年3月調漲11%您說可以增加628億 |
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113年9月當然現在調漲的時間比較少調漲12.5在明年可以增加750億我記得你們幫我們報告好像今年這樣調漲在今年會加123次的調漲增加台電的電價收費1668億再來 |
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您在此增資2500億,以後給予您500億,農莊現在大約3000億,現在3000億跟您店舖就調漲1668億,農莊有4600、6600多億,你們負債才4600億而已啊,表示你們還有盈餘啊。 |
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臺電真的很辛苦你沒逼到我這樣把你生來生去雖然我很同情但是對臺電我仍然要了解這樣怎麼會這樣你這樣我給你算了一共如果包括條長的價格包括政府的補貼運動中 |
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包括這兩千億,還未過這兩千億六千、六百、六十百億,六六花,台電雜花你再試穿一下,你要先穩住呢扣掉四千六,還有兩千億啊 |
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報告委員 這個部分是這樣子啦這個是材料企劃啦材料企劃身份提高啦然後我們大概主要撥補還是因為我們對民生的電價我們是完全動長的所以民生喔 身份3個月我們都不會說話你如果說一個小部分會再繼續利用再來但是你還要顧及一點喔 |
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每一次你們都講成本上漲、原材料上漲但是你們報告裡面說現在原材料已經回歸到一般正常的狀況 |
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是這幾天阿拉伯在打算才升高的啦沒有回來啦平均的材料成本我們不是某一個點的材料成本而是全年平均的材料成本 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:25 - 11:46:49 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長就「我國電力能源配比執行現況與未來規劃」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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陳委員超明：（11時37分）召委好，首先有請郭部長。 |
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主席：請郭部長。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
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陳委員超明：郭部長好，我看你們資料有關能源配比的現況，在2023年經濟部的報告裡面有關發電占比，燃煤是42.2%，但是台電的報告是34.1%；燃氣方面，經濟部的報告是39.5%，台電的報告是44.1%；核能差異不大，差了0.7%；再生能源差了4%。我現在想不通，燃煤和燃氣兩個報告為什麼不一樣？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，我是不是請曾董事長來向委員詳細報告？ |
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陳委員超明：不要詳細，我大概了解一下，詳細講的話，我的時間都讓你們講完了，我就沒辦法問其他的問題了。 |
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曾董事長文生：報告委員，簡單講，我們民間有很多自用發電設備，能源署的統計是全部，台電公司的統計只包括台電，民間的發電比較多的還是燃煤，但台電已經…… |
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陳委員超明：你們以後要分清楚，這樣我們才看得懂，你這樣迷迷糊糊，我還以為台電作假…… |
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曾董事長文生：報告委員，我們口頭報告的時候有說明。 |
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陳委員超明：燃煤降低、燃氣升高，你們不要讓我們誤會。 |
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郭部長智輝：是，不好意思。 |
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陳委員超明：好，下次改進。 |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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陳委員超明：第二個問題請教部長，經濟部管得到中鋼公司嘛！ |
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郭部長智輝：它是我們的半官股公司。 |
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陳委員超明：國營事業啦！監督得到嗎？你有沒有能力管到中鋼公司？部長，不要叫國營事業，你有沒有能力？我今天提出這個問題，中鋼公司是非常優秀的公司，但是它在臺灣的離岸風電表現非常失敗，增資64億，6年把它虧損。第一次中鋼30億，第二次的增資是包括國家發展委員會、中鋼構、中鋼機械公司、中鋼，64億6年虧光，而且我看到寫出來的文章，我很遺憾，好像它委屈很多。北部的世紀鋼鐵是私人的公司，以前小小一家，現在突然膨脹得很大，你中鋼公司是代表國家，離岸風力的自製率沒有辦法成功，很夭壽耶！硬體的不好賺，它現在又斥資20億說要買碳權來轉賣，好賺啦！我要跟部長講，這是一個公司腐化的開始，你們要監督好，我會要你們的報告，也會要國發會提出報告，這是很壞的現象，尤其中鋼公司是南部的勢力團體，聽說那裡面很複雜，一般人都不敢去碰，不敢去摸啊！看你這個部長有沒有氣魄。 |
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郭部長智輝：我會向委員請教如何來督導中鋼。 |
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陳委員超明：我不敢，我沒有那麼厲害。你是做企業的人，你比較厲害，但是有一些消息可以說給你知道，這樣好嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：好，謝謝。 |
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陳委員超明：部長，你人長得英俊，說話又會帶著和藹的笑，看起來能力不錯。我請教你，在6月份你主張不支持以公務預算來貼補台電，但是到8月份，你說立法院不支持撥補的話，將調漲電價來因應虧損。你以前本來是支持，到這個時候說應該廢核，我那個時候跟你講，非核家園是民進黨的神主牌，你亂講話，接下來你去吃頓飯就被修理了，我告訴你，政治的恐怖就在這個地方，你有沒有感同身受？ |
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郭部長智輝：是的，我完全感同身受。 |
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陳委員超明：我昨天看到報紙，說你要去菲律賓我不知道是種電還是開電廠，說你在發想，你的發想一出來，做生意的企業精神就是常常要有夢想、常常有發想，然後新聞就開始修理你。但是我要跟部長講，你要小心，理想是很豐滿，現實是很骨感，我問你，菲律賓可靠不可靠？你們常常在說自由聯盟，「隨人顧性命」，你不要做得那麼偉大，不用想得那麼多，把臺灣這一塊顧好我們就叫你英雄了，我是很良心跟你建議的。 |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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陳委員超明：你那個電送過來，各方面我想得很多，菲律賓的狀況你曉得嘛！只有都市比較安全，剩下的不安全，隨時都會那個耶！所以我希望你好好考慮，當然這是一種構思、構想，但是你當部長要謹慎一點。 |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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陳委員超明：再來，你要調整，今年撥1,000億，明年1,000億，我現在算給你聽。你們台電公司，這些人都是好朋友，台電公司都很優秀，就是被政策害死，蔡英文當總統的時候連續凍漲7次，沒有人這樣做啦！要討好百姓很夠力，頂不住了就換你來當代罪羔羊。 |
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我跟你講，111年你們電價調漲8.4%，你跟我們報告一年可以增收290億。113年3月調漲11%，你說可以增加628億。113年9月，當然現在調漲的時間比較少，調漲12.5%，在明年可以增加750億。3次的調漲，增加台電的電價收費1,668億。 |
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再來，你們在這裡增資2,500億，疫後多給你們500億，全部加起來有3,000億。現在3,000億跟你們電價調漲的1,668億加起來，總共是4,668億，你們負債才4,600億而已，表示你們還有盈餘啊！當然你跟我說增資不能這樣算，增資是你們的錢，虧損了才增資啊！你可以用啊！你現在一年又多1,000億，台電真的很辛苦，被你們逼的。 |
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我這樣給你算來算去，雖然我很同情，但是對台電我仍然要瞭解，怎麼會這樣？你們這樣算起來，如果包括調漲的價格，包括政府的補貼，包括還沒過的這2,000億，一共6,668億，六六發，台電大發啊！你負債才4,600億，剩下的你要還給我們才對，扣掉4,600億還有2,000億啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，這個部分是這樣子，一個是材料漲價，材料漲價成本提高，然後主要撥補還是因為我們對民生電價是完全凍漲的…… |
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陳委員超明：我知道，所以你逼我們不敢講話…… |
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郭部長智輝：所以民生的成本三塊多，我們才賣兩塊八。 |
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陳委員超明：我們對這個都不會講話，你如果說台電再繼續當消波塊，你會被說。但是你們要記得一點，每一次你們都講成本上漲、原材料上漲，但是你們報告裡面說現在原材料已經回歸到一般正常的狀況，是這幾天阿拉伯在打仗才升高的，好不好？ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有回來啦！平均…… |
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陳委員超明：你們都跟我講長期…… |
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郭部長智輝：平均的材料成本，我們不是某一個點的材料成本，而是全年平均的材料成本。 |
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陳委員超明：沒有，你們那個都是一期一期報告的，好啦！我知道台電都是人才，很辛苦，所以我不予苛責，謝謝。 |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝。 |
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主席：中午不休息，延長開會時間到議程處理完畢；到蔡易餘委員質詢完畢之後，我們休息30分鐘。 |
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現在請郭國文委員質詢。 |
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304 |
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委員會-11-2-19-5 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
陳昭姿 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[30] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[31] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[32] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[33] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[34] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[35] |
傅崐萁 |
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209 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-16 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138401 |
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1138401_00009 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長就「我國電力能源配比執行現況與未來規劃」進
行報告，並備質詢 |
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1138401_00017 |
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155559 |
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2024-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-5 |
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11 |
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委員會 |
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19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
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2024-10-16T11:37:25+08:00 |
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2024-10-16T11:46:49+08:00 |
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