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主席、各位、有請主委。來,部長。請農業部陳部長。你好。這個,針對花蓮,因為地震,地震,0403地震,加上凱米颱風,再加上不斷的移震,不斷的移震, |
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造成這個道路不論是公路、蘇華公路還有北威鐵路一再的不通所以為了災禍的振興農業部7月1號推出這個250元的花蓮農產品的優惠券當時這個規劃是這樣 |
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然後整個經費當初是1.83億那預計7月1號發行當然隨著相關的這些整個災情整個交通然後加上最近的最近的颱風也都造成了很大的影響請教一下這個部長 |
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目前這個時勢的狀況怎麼樣我跟委員報告就是0403以後我們為了振興花蓮的這些農產品能夠順利的能夠吸引外地人來買那我們規劃的那個農粉券的部分大概預計是70萬張 |
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那到目前為止已經大概使用了大概40萬張左右啦44萬張左右所以這個部分我們執行率大概六成到七成然後我們也因為0403以後交通又陸續的就中斷過嘛所以我們也考慮把農粉券這個日期齁能夠特別是第二類的齁從電商平台那邊去購買花蓮產品的部分能夠延到大概11月或12月的部分我們會視情況而定 |
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呃部長齁40本來是議定多少70萬張70萬現在是40萬齁44萬那如果這7分在花蓮 |
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實用的跟在我們這樣分以外的第一類我們分兩類一類就是你要人要到花蓮然後7天之內買第二類就是說你在電商平台買花蓮的農產品那大概有將近39萬到40萬是到花蓮的然後剩下大概4萬左右是用第二類的就是電商平台的好這個部分所以當初你們原來那個 |
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有定期限嗎那個有什麼我是說那個 |
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農粉券農粉幣農粉幣裡面會有期限嗎應該這麼講本來有一定的期限要11月吧現在可能會延到12月但是你第一類的就是你到了花蓮觀光有沒有你去買的時候你要7天之內要用完因為我們鼓勵他在地消費 |
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這個部分這個時間的一個關係就是說整個本來要去消費的結果確實沒有嘛因為交通中斷了就沒有去這是一種狀況 |
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所以這個部分要請農業部隨時看這個整個執行的狀況能夠做彈性的調整上次我在這邊也有提到執行的時候也有提到所以當初你們也同意隨機應變這個部分怎麼樣能夠真正落實 |
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能夠去最好,我們鼓勵去,現在很多的團體包括觀光署他們也鼓勵能夠去當然我們農業部其實有很多的附屬機關有在花蓮 |
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有在臺東其實你們可以相關的交通部也在鼓勵各位相關的會議現在這個 |
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好,非常感謝。 |
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好接下來這個有關這個農業部的報告裡面有提到這個農民退休儲金上次我也提到怎麼樣去加強 |
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原住民的部分你們也願意去加強去先導農民退休除菌因為原住民的這個退休申請提交的只有5.7%這個比例是相對的非常低這個部分這個要請 |
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委員會主席 |
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最後的這個部分這個有關最近114年度的總預算之所以在立法院在這期委員會停留在那邊就是因為原住民的進法補償 |
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2001年英國的生態經濟學博士提爾斯說一個岩石林的碳匯價值一公頃是2000美金這個是2001年說的2000美金就差不多6萬塊台幣6萬多了6萬多了台幣現在已經20幾年了所以但不止所以這個部分我們在這個 |
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碳費的,前幾天環境部估算每年一季將有60億元的碳費收入當然本來不止啦,但是他們這次壓得很低啦,只有60億而這些經費本來我們原住民的立委,我本席也想替這個 |
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原民會本來應該是農業部要編的一算 森林法院是你們的主管機關我本來想說其他的像燙廢也可以投入在這個部分 但是很可惜本席在上一屆提出條文修正的時候沒有通過 |
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未來會再修氣候因應變遷法的相關法案也請農業部到時候要去跟環境部協調說明而確實是整個森林原住民就是守護這個森林 |
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謝謝鄭天財 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:15 - 11:38:14 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時29分）主席、各位委員。有請部長。 |
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主席：請農業部陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。針對花蓮因為0403地震，加上凱米颱風，再加上不斷地餘震，造成道路，不論是蘇花公路還是北迴鐵路都一再地不通，所以為了災後的振興，農業部7月1日推出250元的花蓮農產品優惠券，當時的規劃是這樣，整個經費是1.83億，預計7月1日發行。當然隨著相關的災情，加上最近的颱風，對整個交通也造成了很大的影響，請教一下部長，目前實施的狀況怎麼樣？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，0403以後，我們為了振興花蓮的這些農產品能夠順利地吸引外地人來買，我們規劃的農粉券預計是70萬張，到目前為止，已使用了44萬張左右，所以這個部分的執行率大概六成到七成。因為0403以後交通又陸續地中斷過，所以我們也考慮把農粉券的日期，特別是第二類的，從電商平臺那邊去購買花蓮產品的部分，能夠延到大概11月或12月，我們會視情況而定。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長，本來是預定多少？ |
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陳部長駿季：70萬張。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：70萬，現在是40萬。 |
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陳部長駿季：44萬。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：如果去區分在花蓮使用的，跟在花蓮以外的…… |
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陳部長駿季：我們是這樣分，我們分兩類，一類就是你人要到花蓮，然後7天之內買；第二類就是你在電商平臺買花蓮的農產品。大概有39萬到40萬是到花蓮的，剩下大概4萬左右是用第二類的，就是電商平臺的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以當初你們有訂期限嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：有什麼？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我是說，現在名稱改成農粉券，是吧？ |
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陳部長駿季：農粉券。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：農粉幣啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：農粉幣裡面會有期限嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：應該這麼講，本來有一定的期限，到11月，現在可能會延到12月，但是第一類的，就是你到了花蓮觀光，你去買的時候，你要7天之內用完，因為我們鼓勵他在地消費。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個部分因為時間的關係，就是本來要去消費的，結果卻是沒有嘛！因為交通中斷就沒有去，這是一種狀況，所以這個部分要請農業部隨時看整個執行的狀況，能夠做彈性的調整。 |
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陳部長駿季：會。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：上次我在這邊質詢的時候也有提到，當初你們也同意隨機應變，這個部分怎麼樣能夠真正落實，能夠去是最好，我們鼓勵去嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在很多的團體，包括觀光署，他們也鼓勵能夠去花蓮，當然我們農業部有很多的附屬機關，有在花蓮的，有在臺東的，其實你們可以在那裡舉辦相關的會議，交通部也在鼓勵各部會嘛！現在這個時候比較不會有颱風了，交通基本上也會比較安全。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，像農業部的擴大主管會報就拉到花蓮去辦了，然後我們也鼓勵…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：已經辦了嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：已經辦啦！ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：已經辦了。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們大概有八、九十個人，然後我們也鼓勵我們所屬單位的相關會議，特別是主管會報的時候，趁這個機會拉到花蓮去辦，這個我們會落實。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，非常感謝。 |
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接下來，有關農業部的報告裡面提到農民退休儲金，上次我也提到怎麼樣去加強原住民的部分，你們也願意去加強宣導農民退休儲金，因為原住民申請提繳的只有5.7%，這個比例相對是非常低的，這個部分要請農業部能夠持續地去…… |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員說明，上次委員質詢過以後，我們就跟原民會這邊去討論，把它相關的資料跟我們這個做勾稽，我們未來會透過改良場這邊，因為我們改良場有一個原民的專門計畫去鼓勵，特別是年輕人如果願意在原民部落去從事農業的時候，他更應該去參加農民儲金，我們會用更大的力量去做宣導。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：最後，有關最近114年度的總預算之所以會停留在立法院的程序委員會，就是因為原住民的禁伐補償，2001年英國的生態經濟學博士皮爾斯說，一個原始林的碳匯價值1公頃是2,000美金，這個是2001年說的喔！2,000美金差不多是6萬元臺幣，六萬多的臺幣，現在已經二十幾年了，所以它不只啦！ |
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前幾天環境部估算每年預計將有60億元的碳費收入，當然本來不只，但是他們這一次壓得很低，只有60億。而這些經費，本來我們原住民的立委，本席也想替原民會爭取，本來應該是農業部要編的預算，你們是森林法的主管機關。 |
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陳部長駿季：這是兩件不一樣的事情。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在是原民會編嘛！我本來想說碳費也可以投入在這個部分，但是很可惜，本席在上一屆提出條文修正的時候沒有通過。未來會再修氣候變遷因應法相關的法案，也請農業部到時候能夠去跟環境部協調，能夠去說明，整個森林確實就是原住民在守護，怎麼樣能夠把整個國家的政策，尤其是碳費也能夠投入到這個部分，就可以減少很多公務預算的相關支出，這個我們一起努力，好不好？ |
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陳部長駿季：好，我們再來看看用什麼方法，整個森林如果是在造林的部分、在撫育的部分，我想農業部都能夠來協助。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對。好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員非常精準有效率的質詢，部長請回座。 |
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下一位請賴瑞隆委員質詢。 |
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委員會-11-2-19-4 |
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邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
張雅琳 |
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羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
劉建國 |
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229 |
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2024-10-09 |
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1138101 |
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1138101_00010 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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1138101_00015 |
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2024-10-09 |
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委員會-11-2-19-4 |
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第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
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2024-10-09T11:38:14+08:00 |
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