| IVOD_ID |
155260 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155260 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-08T15:43:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-08T16:00:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| 委員名稱 |
黃仁 |
| video_url |
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有請我們部長 國防部部長麻煩請國防部部長備選國軍是不是螺絲鬆了今天下午2點半在清泉崗 |
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防空 空軍防空器這個指揮部中心裡面發生一個死亡案件這個是在信念的過程裡面子彈貫穿了下耳子彈從下耳裡面貫穿了這個臉結果後來送醫之後送醫不治死亡了 |
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在信念的過程我曾經待過那個單位我們在以前叫空軍防砲防砲的一個信念營那個地方我們曾經受信的時候非常嚴格不管在任志作戰包含信念基礎的基本動作都非常嚴格 |
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現在反觀現在你看看我們很多的這一些自殺案件軍中裡面的這一些狀況包含剛剛發生的 |
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今天我想請教國金 |
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的戰備戰力是不是鬆了那你對這個死亡的感想如何跟委員報告我剛剛也是接到司令跟我報告就這個部分當然感到也非常沉痛 |
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那發生這樣不幸的意外那現在有關進一步的這個因為這個是在打靶訓練的過程當中發生的當然啦那有關這個整個過程是如何那他們現在正在調閱這個監視錄影帶那正在釐清事實當中那等事實釐清之後再跟委員來做一個進一步的報告那我想我們 |
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所以今天我們講的 |
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我們常常講說我們在這一次裡面的國防預算是最高6400多億買武器縱然是對我們國際的戰力戰備絕對有效但是現在的士兵的換算包含要自願意的現在已經減少的將近6成以上 |
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因為他們不願意當兵為什麼他寧可說我寧可在社會上工作我也不願意當兵那現在自願意的少之又少甚至他義務的也不願意去冒這個風險但是他必須要盡國家之義務那往往產生了什麼在訓練的過程包含這些 |
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麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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黃委員那個國防部長還要備詢還是 要 國防部委員請留下黃委員好我們現在講的是一個 |
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主國論的問題主國論問題 |
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現在談論這個祖國論我們賴總統拋出了這個祖國論的論調我們看一下大陸到現在為什麼沒有任何反應 |
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沒有任何反應倒是我們不具名的國安據說國安高層透過管道放這個消息警告國人那大陸準備還台經驗到底是誰在地協力者那另外就是這顯然有自導自演的一個現象那今天討論這個祖國論 |
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對岸沒有任何反應我再請教雙數國慶即將來臨我們今天期待我們賴總統在對國人跟國際的這一些論述的話是不是又挑起這個祖國人挑起兩岸之間的神經 |
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那院長也回答一下希望也能夠賴總統聽到國人的期盼是希望和諧兩岸之間的和平而不是挑起待會我要問部長談非論來也回答一下 |
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報告委員總統過幾天在雙十國慶上面的講話當然不是我現在預先就能夠知道要講什麼話的但是從前一個晚上10月5號晚上國慶晚會上總統說中華民國是我們的祖國這句話邏輯一定沒有錯而且從歷史的事實看來中華民國存在113年這個歷史也沒有錯 |
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他的結論是中華民國跟中華人民共和國互不隸屬這個結論也沒有錯其實這個就是挑起了兩岸的神經講本國就好了嘛為什麼一定要講祖國論對不對我們很多在祖國論是他們的對岸的議題不是我們台灣中華民國的國家裡面所講的祖國論當然 |
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為什麼一定要攤在陽光下雙子國慶要來臨了是不是又挑起一個意識形態要加以論述告訴給國際告訴給國人我們是不是自己在自導自演嚇住我們自己的國人沒有自導自演的這個狀況因為除了我剛剛講的三個沒有錯之外我們也希望 |
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團結我們一定是團結的待會我要談的是另外賴總統所提的我先談一個國際危機組織你有沒有聽過這個組織 |
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國際危機組織他是非營利的單位他是站在一個國際中立的論述講出了一段話講什麼話就是在報告說賴總統當選之後大陸已軟化的作詞有意是賴政府更容易表達出改善兩岸關係 |
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的意向但是賴總統以強硬的立場應對北京加劇了緊張的局勢國際會自我約束但國際危機組織的報告裡面卻告訴了我們台灣的政客卻挑釁或升高其勢請問 |
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這個就是國際危機組織裡面所表達的因為在國際間他是認同這個國際危機組織的這個非營利的單位所表達的論述所以這個就是一個很明白的站在一個中立但是對我們國內來講我們常常會講一些意識形態的議題那部長你的看法勒 |
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我想總統的態度應該也都是在維持台海整個乃至於整個印太區域和平的這個觀點來從事相關的一個論述我們沒有無意要挑釁那跟委員報告我想您也可以看到每天共機擾 |
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這個進行這個軍事的恫嚇來越過中線洗澡然後軍艦然後在我們的臺海的周邊來環繞這個部分進行這樣挑釁迫害臺海乃至印太區域和平包括在南海跟東海這個都看得出來是中國在做我們沒有在製造這個挑釁的作為 |
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我想賴總統描述的也是一個客觀的事實也沒有在做任何挑釁的我想一個我站在一個比較中肯的角度來看來分享給院長國防部長第一個我們在過去裡面請問一下我們會常常有這樣的一個這個他們的潛艦在繞近到近向到我們12海裡有嗎在過去沒有為什麼 |
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因為我們的論述沒有去挑釁可是現在的論述一直在挑釁然後我們自己國人下阻自己的國人然後自己緊張 |
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那祖國論是不是國安高層裡面的放話來嚇阻我們國人這就是一個很多的一些意象很多的脈絡才會產生今天為什麼有很多的共青裡面的潛艦一直繞台繞台原因在哪裡就是因為我們今天的論述一直在挑釁論述一直在挑釁我們今天講的另外 |
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我想一直在挑釁的是中國中國每天都在以軍事的這種軍事兵力的洗腦在挑釁我們武力犯台是過去我們一直沒有不會說武力犯台也沒有人去承認也沒有人去否認但是 |
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台灣有些高層就是一直主張挑釁的論述所以產生今天為什麼會我們兩岸之間的緊張的局勢都會產生原因就在這裡第二個關於全社會防疫韌性政策好這韌性政策裡面就會有什麼有五大的涵蓋五大的主軸第一個就是民力 |
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信念：應用：第2戰略物資盤整：盤整：維生配送：第3能源：關鍵基礎設施為應：第4設服醫療：避難設施準備：第5自通運輸：金融網路安全好今天我們如果 |
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在真正動全員動力然後40萬名令如果再以按照今天的報告的結果有將近七成都不同意這七成不同意的話 |
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怎麼辦你如果你這論述你要召集這個所謂的這個全社會防衛任性委員然後再徹動40萬名吏那我問你很簡單有七成不同意第二個你們用什麼如果召集他們來加入如果如果 |
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跟委員報告我們要維持一個韌性的台灣 |
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要能夠防備任何的緊急事態的一個發生我們一定要強調我們全社會的一個韌性所以這個重點是在我們要強調整個全社會的一個韌性這樣的韌性越強我們才有辦法讓這個中國一直表示不放棄以武力併吞台灣的這個企圖 |
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透過我們這個韌性透過我們國軍的自我防衛的能力的決心一直在加強之後才能夠有效的嚇阻中國不敢輕易的冒進那我想這個全民防衛這個全社會防衛韌性委員會的目的也就是在目標就是在國家面臨災害或緊急狀況的時候 |
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他可以維持整個政府跟社會核心功能的持續運作這是很重要的一個韌性台灣的建設的項目之一如果說大家沒有辦法維持這樣的一個韌性 |
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我們就沒有辦法能夠足夠的產生一個嚇阻力量那您剛剛的命題我要說的是那有超過八成以上的人都主張要維持現狀那維持現狀在中國看起來 |
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我想他也是不能他也是一種挑釁啊他就是不能夠接受第一個我剛剛前面所談的國軍的螺絲現在在鬆懈了如果我們今天把國軍的戰備戰力我們的國軍的信念有數的話請問我們還有民兵嗎我們以前有召集過啊召集令一個禮拜 |
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好 謝謝謝謝 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:43:46 - 16:00:18 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第3次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢） |
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黃委員仁：（15時43分）有請我們國防部部長。 |
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主席：麻煩請國防部部長備詢。 |
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顧部長立雄：黃委員好。 |
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黃委員仁：部長好，國軍是不是螺絲鬆了？今天下午2點半，空軍防空暨飛彈指揮部中心在清泉崗基地內發生一起死亡案件，這個是在訓練過程中，子彈從下顎貫穿臉部，結果後來送醫之後不治死亡了。在訓練的過程……我曾經待過那個單位，以前我們叫空軍防砲的訓練營，那個地方我們曾經受訓的時候非常嚴格，不管在認知作戰，包含訓練基礎的基本動作都非常的嚴格，反觀現在你看看，我們很多的自殺案件，軍中裡面的這些狀況，包含剛剛發生的是不是訓練的問題，還是鬆懈了，造成士官兵的死亡。今天父母好不容易把孩子送到國軍是來為國家效力，但是在訓練的過程，包含教育訓練，這是非常嚴謹又嚴格的事情，今天我想請教，國軍的戰備、戰力是不是鬆了？你對這個死亡的感想如何？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，我剛剛也接到司令跟我報告，就這個部分當然我也感到非常沉痛，發生這樣不幸的意外。現在有關進一步的狀況，因為這是在打靶訓練的過程當中發生的…… |
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黃委員仁：當然啦。 |
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顧部長立雄：有關這整個過程是如何，他們現在正在調閱監視錄影帶，正在釐清事實當中，等事實釐清之後，再來跟委員做進一步的報告。我想就整個打靶訓練過程當中的嚴謹度，我們會透過這些事件進一步再來檢討。 |
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黃委員仁：所以今天我們講的，我們常常說我們這一次總預算裡面的國防預算最高，有六千四百多億，買武器縱然是對我們國軍的戰力、戰備絕對有效，但是現在的士兵渙散，包含志願役現在已經減少了將近六成以上，因為他們不願意當兵，為什麼？他說我寧可在社會上工作，我也不願意去當兵，現在志願役的少之又少，甚至義務役的也不願意去冒這個風險，但是他必須要盡國家之義務，那往往產生了什麼？在訓練的過程，包含這些紀律沒有好好的把關。所以在你任內希望樹立嚴謹的要求，任何一個部隊在訓練，包含加強國力的時候，希望他們都遵守我們國軍的教條，好不好？ |
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顧部長立雄：是、是，這當然。 |
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黃委員仁：好，那請卓院長。 |
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主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。 |
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黃委員，國防部長還要備詢，還是請回座？ |
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黃委員仁：要，國防部也請留下。 |
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卓院長榮泰：黃委員好。 |
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黃委員仁：我有參加雙十晚會，這個晚會我也特別參加，感謝我們韓院長，舉辦的過程非常的成功，也感受到中華民國生日快樂，我也感受到非常的榮耀，但是我聽到的是什麼？祖國論的問題。祖國論的問題，現在談論這個祖國論，我們賴總統拋出了這個祖國論的論調，我們看一下大陸到現在為什麼沒有任何反應？沒有任何的反應，倒是我們不具名的國安……據說國安高層透過管道放這個消息警告國人，大陸準備環台軍演，到底誰是在地協力者？另外就是這顯然有自導自演的一個現象，今天討論這個祖國論，對岸沒有任何反應。我再請教，雙十國慶即將來臨，我們今天期待……賴總統在對國人跟國際進行這些論述，是不是這個祖國論又挑起兩岸之間的神經？院長也回答一下，希望賴總統也能夠聽到國人的期盼是希望和諧、兩岸之間的和平，而不是挑起紛爭，待會我要問部長唐華論，來，也回答一下。 |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，總統過幾天在雙十國慶上面的講話，當然不是我現在預先就能夠知道要講什麼話。但是在10月5號的國慶晚會上總統說中華民國是我們的祖國，這句話的邏輯一定沒有錯，而且從歷史的事實看來，中華民國存在113年，這個歷史也沒有錯，他的結論是中華民國跟中華人民共和國互不隸屬，這個結論也沒有錯。 |
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黃委員仁：其實這個都挑起了兩岸的神經…… |
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卓院長榮泰：哪一樣是錯的呢？ |
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黃委員仁：講本國就好了，為什麼一定要講祖國論？對不對？祖國論是他們對岸的議題，不是我們臺灣、中華民國的國家裡面所講的祖國論，為什麼一定要攤在陽光下？雙十國慶要來臨了，是不是又挑起一個意識形態要加以論述，要告訴國際、告訴國人？那我們是不是在自導自演，嚇阻我們自己的國人？ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有自導自演的這個狀況，除了我剛剛講的三個沒有錯之外，我們也希望中華人民共和國能正視中華民國存在的這個歷史事實。總統說中華民國是我們的祖國，是想讓全國國人能夠團結在國家之下，大家來保護國家的主權獨立跟安全。 |
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黃委員仁：講到團結，我們一定是團結的。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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黃委員仁：待會我要談的是另外我們賴總統所提的，我先談國際危機組織，你有沒有聽過這個組織？國際危機組織是非營利的單位，它是站在國際中立的論述，可是講錯了一段話，講什麼話？就是在報告裡面說賴總統當選之後，大陸以軟化的措辭，有意思讓賴政府更容易表達出改善兩岸關係的意向。但是賴總統以強硬的立場應對北京，加劇了緊張的局勢，國軍會自我約束，但是國際危機組織的報告卻告訴我們，臺灣的政客去挑釁或升高局勢。這個就是國際危機組織所表達的，因為在國際間是認同國際危機組織這個非營利單位所表達的論述，所以這是很明白的，站在中立，但是對我們國內來講，我們常常會講一些意識形態的議題，部長，你的看法呢？ |
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顧部長立雄：我想總統的態度應該也都是在維持臺海，乃至於整個印太區域和平的這個觀點來從事相關的論述，我們無意挑釁。跟委員報告，我想您也可以看到共機每天進行軍事恫嚇，越過中線來襲擾，然後軍艦在我們臺海的周邊來環繞，在這個部分進行這樣的挑釁，破壞臺海乃至於印太區域的和平，包括在南海跟東海，這個都看得出來是中國在做，我們沒有在製造這個挑釁的作為，我想賴總統描述的也是一個客觀的事實，也沒有在做任何挑釁的…… |
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黃委員仁：我站在一個比較中肯的角度來看，分享給院長、國防部長，第一個，請問我們過去常常會有他們的潛艦進入我們12浬，有嗎？在過去沒有，為什麼？因為我們的論述沒有去挑釁，可是現在的論述一直在挑釁，然後我們自己的國人嚇阻自己，然後自己緊張，祖國論是不是國安高層裡面放話來嚇阻我們國人？這就是很多的意向、很多的脈絡才會產生今天為什麼有很多的共機、潛艦一直繞臺、繞臺，原因在哪裡？就是因為我們今天的論述一直在挑釁嘛，我們今天講的，另外…… |
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顧部長立雄：我想一直在挑釁的是中國，中國每天都在以這種軍事兵力的襲擾在挑釁我們。 |
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黃委員仁：武力犯臺是過去我們一直沒有、沒有……不會說武力犯臺，也沒有人去承認，也沒有人去否認，但是臺灣有些高層就是一直主張挑釁的論述，所以今天為什麼兩岸之間的緊張局勢會產生，原因就在這裡。 |
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第二個，關於全社會防衛韌性政策，這個韌性政策裡面涵蓋五大主軸：第一個就是民力訓練暨運用；第二個，戰略物資盤整暨維生配送；第三，能源及關鍵基礎設施維運；第四，社福醫療及避難設施整備；第五，資通、運輸及金融網絡安全。今天我們如果真正動員40萬民力，按照今天報告的結果，有將近七成都不同意，這七成不同意的話怎麼辦？如果你這論述，你要召集所謂的全社會防衛韌性委員，然後再策動40萬民力，那我問你，很簡單，有七成不同意。第二個，你們用什麼？如果召集他們來加入，如果他們不來，那你們要用什麼？軍法、民法還是刑法？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，我們要維持一個韌性的臺灣，要能夠防備任何緊急事態的發生，我們一定要強調我們全社會的韌性，所以這個重點是在我們要強調整個全社會的韌性，這樣的韌性越強，我們才有辦法讓中國一直表示不放棄以武力併吞臺灣的這個企圖，透過我們這個韌性，透過我們國軍自我防衛的能力、決心一直在加強之後，才能夠有效的嚇阻中國不敢輕易的冒進。 |
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我想全社會防衛韌性委員會的目的、目標，就是在國家面臨災害或緊急狀況的時候，可以維持整個政府跟社會核心功能的持續運作，這是很重要的韌性，是臺灣的建設項目之一，如果大家沒有辦法維持這樣的韌性，那我們就沒有辦法能夠產生足夠的嚇阻力量。而你剛剛的命題，我要說的是，也有超過八成五以上的人都主張要維持現狀，那維持現狀，在中國看起來，我想它也是不能……它也是一種挑釁啊！它就是不能夠接受，現在多數、百分之八十五主張永遠維持現狀…… |
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黃委員仁：第一個，我剛剛前面所談的，國軍的螺絲現在鬆了，如果我們今天提升國軍的戰備、戰力，我們的國軍訓練有素的話，請問我們還有民兵嗎？我們以前有召集過啊！召集令，一個禮拜…… |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，這個不是民兵，因為一直在講民兵…… |
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黃委員仁：民力，更改，民力。 |
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顧部長立雄：這是民力。 |
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黃委員仁：民力不是民兵。 |
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顧部長立雄：根據民防法、相關的包括替代役的管理條例，根據相關的這些災防法，根據相關的這些法規，我們本來就是要建置這些民力，我們本來就有民防團隊的組織，現在在內政部主導之下，要利用替代役來改善這些民防組織，然後來增強我們義警、義消的能力，發生任何重大危害的時候，能夠加入協助從事搶救重大災害，乃至於維持地方的治安，我想這都是民力應用的部分。但絕對不是…… |
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黃委員仁：我們再繼續討論，在國防外交的議題裡面，好不好？ |
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主席：好，謝謝。謝謝黃仁委員質詢，謝謝卓院長跟相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
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接下來我們請登記第3位徐巧芯委員質詢。 |
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188 |
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院會-11-2-3 |
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韓國瑜 |
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江啟臣 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期第3次會議紀錄 |
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本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議議事日程報告事項第3案委員翁曉玲等23人
擬具「憲法訴訟法第三十條及第四十三條條文修正草案」、第4案委員翁曉玲等25人擬具「國家
通訊傳播委員會組織法第十六條條文修正草案」案，院會所作決定，提出復議。是否有當，敬請
公決─ 另定期處理─ |
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