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謝謝主席,我們請院長來,我們經濟部、農業部來,卓院長請備詢,經濟部長、農業部長請備詢蘇委員好議長今天我們屏東高雄一共人休息 |
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蘇清泉議員 |
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這是現在現在現在的 |
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所以各位看到災情已經出來了還沒有登陸就已經災情出來了這個是我們屏東的家樂福全年東西燒光了燒到空空空經濟部物資的 |
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我這裡要要求我們院長 |
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因為現在要調這個大型抽水機必須是鄉鎮去跟縣府反映然後再跟水利分屬那我這裡要特別跟部長 |
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那再來就是各位看到上次凱米颱風的補助齁 |
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當我們一個天然災害品項公告以後那農民要在10天之內去跟公所申請如果他遇到有受到災損的時候他要去跟公所申請這是10天的一個意思 |
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所以各縣市要切齊啦不要高雄就比較久我屏東 屏東的地方政府我覺得在做事情很差勁 |
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所以這個要加強我跟委員報告因為不同的縣市它公告的時間點不一樣我們是從公告開始算那另外就是說在一天的部分我們也在新的辦法裡面去做一個彈性的處理因為當你量很多的時候工作也沒辦法同一時間接到那麼多人所以它的處理程序會變慢的時候我們就願意把這個時間把它做一點彈性的延長院長 |
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蘇清泉議員 |
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我絕對不客氣 |
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所以這個要寬裂經費尤其是大牌尤其是抽水站像萬丹、雲南來、東港那些都要加強我會盯得很緊跟院長報告那這個是比較誇張這一張是高速高速這個橫的聯絡道路台21院長你看到沒有 |
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那個橋墩這麼低 橋面這麼低然後整個山洪下來 裡面還有擋土牆 到現在還沒有處理那這次颱風又來了 整個水都濺了 高速箱我要請水利署去看那現在颱風 這個大颱風又來了整個淹起來 所以高秋剛好五個川淹到2.9米 |
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所以都要很嚴謹的來看 |
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那我們台平東縣的榮損這一次全台第4嚴重那各位看到榮損是4億多那裡面的一個比較誇張的是漁業漁業的摘損才這是開米的喔才1600多萬陳部長這個為什麼那麼低就是因為我們漁業登記太少嗎是 |
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四五千公頃、四五千港本了千多公頃有養殖登記的30%本來不到30%現在達37.2%一樣是民進黨施政的縣市啊臺南78%啊嘉峪86%啊 |
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我們屏東怎麼那麼糟糕?為什麼?我跟委員報告齁我們全台灣的那個養殖面積大概4.1萬公頃然後整體的有水權的齁大概佔66%啦那相對的屏東才37.2比起全國的平均比較低 |
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那有兩個問題一個問題就是說他的土地共用的問題第二個問題就是水款的問題我現在要處理的就是說我要把這個養殖的登記跟水款先做切離不然你如果拿不到水款你一輩子拿不到登記證 |
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委員長你可能不知道部長在說的很詳細的就是說你如果沒有預約登記證你如果遭到災害你是沒辦法賠的一線都沒辦法賠喔你知道一天一宿都六千萬一兩千萬大家都遭到憂鬱症這樣 |
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副部長 您當後要再過我腳就要跳牢了報告委員 這是這樣啦 只是說你那些水管沒有 啊你會要去喔 遇到你就要感受而已啦但是我 我們當然是來幫助他 今天來提到水管 因為有在補助這個問題 過去我們如果當了都沒發現 所以因為我們要他清晰啦 工業的土地啦 留情社的土地啦 那個特管局都一樣啦 |
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委員長都看不下去 |
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我們以前80年代差不多28%現在已經37.2%那我會先把水源做切割以後讓它有養殖業登記這樣的話天然災害進來的時候比較會有保障第二部分就是說我們跟經濟部水利署這邊就是說變成一個專區我們興建整個供水系統 |
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做那個海水供應的那個幾乎是全海水的養殖 |
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我選擇醫生我對農業我們都要做醫生我不是個白癡我很認真的看每次來看沒有管政府施工就讓他施工你們水屬還是是月屬自己要施工的就扎扎實實施工現在有一點成效出來了所以這個水權的問題部長那都是知識解決要做跟不做而已啦沒有啦報告委員 |
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現在民北市的浮流水一天會害八角的九十多萬棟 |
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給個數字吧 |
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至少要幾年內要達到加基分齡有人這樣啦 這樣就對那些人學本文規你知道嗎 餘苗放下去像電競海面颱風 |
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我們對水資源的善用乃至於對於生態環境的保護我們在這個原則底下積極來協助現在的養殖業者當然是我們的政策但是一定要中央地方能夠配合地方的維護土地資源的維護還是要列為重要的優先因素 |
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蘇清泉議員 |
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我們會積極來看看協助業者能夠在合法的水權底下具重進行他的這個產業我有開協調會我開協調會彭寮啦、加當啦、民運通通兄弟都來了大家要湊個六條啦所以不定在地人一定要做我跟積極來做好不好月數嘛,這裡說樂觀其成嘛繼續齁 |
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這個昨天晚上,這是人家叫我問的啦這分所長叫龍龍時阿一令我跟大家報告我們警察是第二陸軍我們的海巡署是第二海軍警察條例35條大家關心一下啦 |
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我們總統說他是山君的靠山我覺得非常的不捨,非常的痛惜在執法的過程當中因公殉職我想我們這個包括警政署內政部我們都要對他的後續的一些輔助工作要做到最完美給家屬一個最好的安慰重要的是造勢的這個行為人這種不法的行為我們應該要讓社會一個很清楚的交代 |
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市長,警察條例35條,典型廢廢洋洋,我是提案,我是提案是,報告委員,這位造勢者,我有兩個報告,第一個這造勢者是一個毒蟲,已經抓到了,然後第二個我們表達非常的痛心,然後第三個就是有關於警察因公殉職的部分,其實我們已經公告完成,會用這個最高的撫恤方式來進行他的殉職方面的撫恤作業 |
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他們的退休能夠拉高一點警察平均壽命跟一般百姓差10歲部長你知不知道然後呢退休之後很快20年以來就有很多出問題這個我們都有統計所以為什麼 |
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日夜顛倒比我們醫護人員的值班還辛苦因為他是跳間斷式的所以每一個到50歲、58歲退休之後馬上就出問題所以這警察是我們要呵護給他們尊嚴、給他們照顧、給他們當靠山比照軍人的退休又有什麼了不起嘛不然你看海外很多人我們平時把他們當成外星座、當成豆婆這樣弄一弄、弄一弄、拌薄下去 |
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想不過去啦好不好部長我們一起來努力好繼續你等一下再走接著是換你了又換你了來我們高鐵到潮州這一個我這裡要跟院長齁跟您陳士凱肯定一下他剛上任沒有幾天就跑到六塊樹去了大家說他沒專業但是我感覺他永遠認識 |
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好像只有我在肯定他喔 部長 跟你簽訂謝謝委員 越多的委員越認識他啦講得很直接 非常好好 這個是高鐵的路 預定路線那我們那天決定就是六塊處的車站 優先施工嘛 對不對 部長是 院長你也知道這個事情吧就是說六鐵出口這塊 因為他要到屏東1.4公里而已 |
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那邊的那個海拔那天有跟部長報告齁才7公尺而已所以一定要加棟高提防還有那個地方是科學元氣已經在在廠商已經兩家動工了齁所以那個地方先做我們把案子擺戰場但是我們的目標是要到潮州齁那方案一方案二方案三 |
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那天我也說,莊家斌委員也有在場他也說,我們走高雄市這段可能會比較好,我沒有意見,但是倒著倒退路又曬出來,那有點違反原則,against the principle那高雄這間我剛才提到的,高雄那間台下,我告訴你,高雄古市區 |
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這個選舉的公告若無成立,那些車頭多大,非常大,選舉的公告絕對沒問題,那些所在若國體沒經過,我會說國用手鼓一鼓敲去,沒機會了 |
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我強烈建議所以年底要訂案 |
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還是建議那第二個我們的目標是要到炒作那部長也說那條軌道就把它通了出來準備誰是要接下去我對你什麼來講報告委員那個叫做留為軌就是留下未來延伸的可能性那目前延伸屏東的方案已經在綜合規劃當中那像委員剛剛所說的有兩個方案目前我們正在思考也正在討論 |
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那最後目前是討論到六塊錯那我知道地方上還有一些大家的聲音希望再更長一點那我們就用劉維鬼的方式劉維鬼就會留下未來延伸的可能性高鐵到六塊錯一點意義都沒有啦一點意義都沒有平東1.4公里那是支線的末端那個跟盲腸一樣所以一定是要往下努力啦這個跟院長請求 |
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這個是比較嚴肅的問題 肯定話 這也要跟我們報 跟我們來見報也關起來肯定話 這句話 議長 你聽過沒有這句話是難聽話 這句話是鄙視跟看不起的話 |
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1076.99 |
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我這裡要跟院長報告一下墾丁今天為什麼會死得那麼慘 |
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橫村半島怎麼死那麼慘三個原因第一個是交通的問題第二個是地價的問題第三是生意人心態肯定國家公園失職我一個一個跟你報告下一張 |
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這個在2018年 人家就在消遣的位2018年就這樣講我們地方政府也沒有什麼做的好 下一張我們 院長你如果去到夏威夷你剛才我去去海灘旁邊那海邊在開車那麼漂亮 你主人就慢慢開 慢慢心想我們屏東 你看來 下一張 |
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下一張五張的問題 |
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你覺得我們的協商機有幾機?測數照相17機紅窗紅燈4機區間測數兩大組全部抓到鬆來來的一定181年、182年、183年你不用告訴我昆天有多少人去這套我怎麼看這個數字我就知道 |
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1234.4 |
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早一年交通罰單7千萬、8千萬,我們民眾管政會可以分75%今年一月到八月就這樣了,這樣什麼?沒有人去啦你如果去墾丁七坨回來,放兩張、三張罰單是很普通的事情如果是你,你開車去玩一趟回來兩、三張罰單,你還會再去嗎? |
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所以坤町的末路斷來式的下墜不是沒理由的,所以大家要看要怎麼去救,如果沒有,我看是沒辦法我們民東關,我們台北新北市一年變交通違規的滑單,400多萬人口變10億我們民東關79萬人口變5億,而且收到6億多,超收啦 |
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1283.77 |
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新北市的人負擔平均起來一個人負擔250塊我們平常就在傘啦 傘剛好幾粒而已 還要負擔750塊請問一下 這個是合理嗎所以光光哥不來 我們地方政府要負點責任吧再來 地價 這個跟我們內政部應該有關係啦齁 |
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坤町大街 坤町大街 七十幾公里 六百公尺一坪土地 一百七十六萬 怕死啦 咱大池喔 大池喔 大池他一百三十幾萬 這裡一百七十六萬一間老廚 那間 都八千萬 七千萬 七條 請問 |
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這房子賣到這裡,賣到那邊,賣到那邊還要照做不下去?一定有,你可能都不知道,你有機會來,我陪你來看看賣到那邊我去過了賣到那邊也要做不下去,你去過了,做不下去,人沒人這房子這麼貴,電管的民宿就貴 |
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1349.331 |
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所以我們這個是國家公園管理處在這樣操作跟地方政府為什麼會放任這樣你看這個地方這個是第三個我們業者本身不知愛 |
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把遊客當作一次性的肥羊,這樣就把他毒,傷痛的條所以國家公園管理處,劉部長,這要怎麼做 |
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1399.871 |
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交通部門 |
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1432.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
公告地價50多萬公告限值90萬 |
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每個委員報告剛剛你談的這個幾個問題我覺得終結的問題最真結的問題國家公園的管理要非常的到位所以剛剛部長已經談到了第一個國家公園第一個 |
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1478.02 |
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交通耗資重新檢討維持交通在這個邦光地區維持交通的重要性我們還是要兼顧土地的問題如果沒有那麼多人會去地價不可能那麼高 |
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1500.332 |
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鄭春彬的一棟房子一千二萬、一千三萬現在漲價了以前不到一千萬那一間房子一棟房子要五千、六千、七千、八千萬這真是瘋了嘛這沒有那種條件 |
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那最後這裡還有五里亭機場 院長你覺得聽過以前興村的五里亭機場一天一禮拜還有三十多磅飛機 現在一磅就沒有了所以這你要考慮 考慮看要怎麼恢復這為松山飛到五里亭機場 下一張 |
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這個再來是我們屏南快速道路你已經 院長你也有在宣示說要開始了嘛那個路廊也決定了我建議在高架高速路的下面做單車單車道啦 這68公里來來走他能站到對 笑到對 吃到對這樣也可以振興 那是另外一個族群 |
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那這個是一個好的事情,院長可不可以唸一下,這個下面用單車,這個有很多地方在做,部長可以嗎?我來研究兩位請回,我們請邱部長院長辛苦了 |
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今天早上有聽到幾位委員在質詢講了很多我們健保的事情那我跟邱部長有很多對話那我跟他講一回收啦我對著和尚念經是沒有用的因為他比我還會念所以我今天要對你對院長你我們的醫療有沒有機會有沒有希望我叫我看你 |
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我剛說過去30年健保保障國人現在我們要回頭保障健保所以一定要有救而且一定要救得起來那目前我覺得體質還是在我們大家能夠接受的範圍內院長我告訴你我們天堂主決議那一張有嗎?因為主決議說 |
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現在現在目前的電池存多少? |
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零點八二零點八二要站到我出的橋啦我要向院長報告就想你的基金裡面還有兩百億給我來報現在健保署怎麼操作你知道嗎他就說 譬如說三招第一招就是斷頭我要給你一億結果你做一億二那你的兩千萬就自己斷頭 |
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斷頭之後他就給你抽案子來嚴審審完之後還不夠呢答不到邱太元說的要0.95呢阿伯再叫你共同攤分攤扣除叫做攤扣跟營港的攤扣不一樣這樣就叫你扣攤扣有7億、有8億、有10億把他拉到電子0.92、0.93很好看的如果要用這樣來抬 |
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1.0也沒問題1.1塊錢也沒問題所以現在都假象所以再來就造成什麼造成智慧的醫療院所巧立名目然後智慧的越來越高我敢講醫療院所巧立名目這是很大的挑戰喔但是不這樣他活不了 |
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那與其要這樣不如事實寫出來健保署很聰明你要什麼他就給你什麼你要0.95他就可以殺到0.95嚴審斷頭這動同堂口所以今年已經不行了健保基金裡面拿一些出來補今年現在的點子不然的話到年底都出問題了部長是不是這樣 |
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因為電池當然是有比較多政府其實都很想辦法來改善這個環境應該有的權益尤其現在的行政院無論是今年還是未來都盡量用盡了 |
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好 謝謝蘇委員 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:01:18 - 15:32:05 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢） |
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蘇委員清泉：（15時1分）謝謝主席，請院長還有經濟部、農業部。 |
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主席：卓院長請備詢，經濟部長、農業部長請備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：蘇委員好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，今天屏東、高雄都已經停班停課了，我拚命的來這裡，就是要跟你反映，所以你要好好聽、好好做。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝，我剛剛聽到劉部長是應變中心的指揮官，他對南部的狀況現在滿憂心的，但是我們也在充分的準備當中。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，我這次要肯定農業部陳部長，上次在銷毀雞蛋的時候，我們在農業生物園區那邊，包括楊瓊瓔、張啓楷和我，我們對他勇敢面對任何一件事情，而且是很有擔當的，我再次肯定他，陳部長加油！ |
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蘇委員清泉：影片上的是現在的獅子鄉內文村，它的海拔是700公尺，各位看到災情已經出來了，颱風還沒有登陸，災情就已經出來了。 |
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這張照片是屏東的家樂福、全聯，東西都掃光光，掃到全都空了，經濟部，物資的support跟supply要充分供應，好不好？ |
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郭部長智輝：可以。 |
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蘇委員清泉：再來，這張照片是上次凱米颱風我本人又去調大型抽水機，這是東港溪，這部分是水利署的業務，我在這裡要要求院長，因為現在要調大型抽水機，必須是鄉鎮去跟縣府反映，然後再跟水利分署調，我在這裡要特別跟部長說，你自己手中要有大型的抽水機，而不是都任人擺佈，因為鄉鎮跟縣府有時候聯繫上會比較……畢竟是颱風天，所以如果他們來不及，你們就要主動介入，這樣好不好？因為這個颱風非常非常大。農業部也是一樣，好不好？ |
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再來，各位看到上次凱米颱風的補助，高雄申請到9月底，屏東到8月底，然後農業部是10天內。部長，我不知道你這10天內是什麼意思？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，當一個天然災害品項公告以後，農民要在10天之內去跟公所申請，如果他遇到有受到災損的時候，他要去跟公所申請，這是10天的意思。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以各縣市要切齊，不要高雄就比較久，屏東……我覺得屏東的地方政府做事很差勁，所以這個要加強。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，因為不同的縣市公告的時間點不一樣，我們是從公告日開始算。另外就是10天的部分，我們也在新的辦法裡面彈性處理，因為當量很多的時候，公所沒辦法同一時間接待那麼多人，所以它的處理程序會變慢，我們願意把這個時間做一點彈性的延長。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，百姓受災已經慘兮兮了，所以要寬容一點，讓他們可以受補助、使用，大家都很辛苦。郭部長是枋寮人，是東海人，你們當地都在養魚，你不要傻傻的！ |
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你看這個大排壞掉需要8.2億，現在縣政府卻只剩三點多億。我要肯定一下，像是第七河川署李宗恩分署長也很認真，我叫他到哪裡去勘災，他就馬上到，然後馬上反映，我覺得水利署的表現也很好。好就好，壞就壞，我絕對不客氣。 |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝。 |
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蘇委員清泉：所以這個要寬列經費，尤其是大排、抽水站，像萬丹灣仔內、東港都要加強。我會盯得很緊，跟院長報告。 |
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這個是比較誇張，這一張圖是高樹，這條橫的聯絡道路台21線，院長看到了嗎？橋墩這麼低，橋面這麼低，然後整個山洪下來，裡面還有擋土牆，到現在還沒有處理，這次颱風又來了，結果擋住、把整個水都塞住，這是高樹鄉，我還要請水利署去看。現在大颱風又來了，整個淹起來。高樹有5個村淹到2.9米，2.9米是多高？一層樓那麼高，如果這個是錯誤的設計，要怎麼更改？或是要把下面的擋土牆趕快清掉？你有看到廟的金爐被土石流搞成這個樣子嗎？這個在高樹新豐村，跟各位報告，所以都要很嚴謹的來看。 |
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屏東縣的農損這一次是全臺灣第四嚴重，各位看到農損四億多，裡面比較誇張的是漁業，這是凱米颱風的資料，漁業的災損才一千六百多萬。陳部長，這個為什麼那麼低？就是因為我們的漁業登記太少！總面積有四、五千公頃，大約四、五千甲，雖然枋寮有一千多公頃，但有漁業登記、養殖登記的才30%，本來不到30%。 |
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陳部長駿季：37.2%。 |
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蘇委員清泉：一樣是民進黨執政的縣市，臺南78%，嘉義86%，屏東怎麼那麼糟糕？為什麼？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，全臺灣的養殖面積大概4.1萬公頃，然後有水權的大概占整體66%。相對的，屏東才37.2%，比起全國平均較低。那有兩個問題，一個問題就是土地共用的問題；第二個問題就是水權的問題。我現在正在處理，要把養殖的登記跟水權先切離，不然拿不到水權，一輩子也拿不到登記證。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長可能不知道，部長說得很詳細。如果沒有漁業登記證，一旦遇到災害，是沒辦法獲得賠償的，一毛錢都沒辦法賠！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我知道各地都有遇到這樣的問題。 |
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蘇委員清泉：你知道養魚一次輸贏都好幾千萬或一、兩千萬，大家都得憂鬱症了！郭部長，我看你們東海若再遇到就要跳樓了。 |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，這是這樣，如果沒有水權，卻硬要養殖，遇到災害就要「甘輸贏」。我們當然會幫助他們趕快拿到水權，因為是為了補助這個問題。過去好幾年都沒發現，所以他們也就掉以輕心，現在我們就盡量來幫助他們，讓他們有水權。 |
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蘇委員清泉：不！有些是共有的土地、產權不清的土地，每個縣市都一樣，難道屏東比較特別嗎？說到水權，現在伏流水一大堆，那是做不做的問題。陳部長，要積極輔導他們，常常都是百分之二十幾，院長都看不下去了！ |
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陳部長駿季：我知道。我們自110年時就差不多28%，現在已經37.2%了，我會先把水權切割以後，讓他有養殖業登記，這樣的話，天然災害進來的時候比較會有保障。第二個部分就是我們會跟經濟部水利署這邊變成一個專區，我們興建整個供水系統，不要讓農民自己去挖，這樣的話就會讓他們更有保障。 |
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蘇委員清泉：這個非常好，做得非常好，這裡還是要請院長給你肯定，做那個海水供應的幾乎是全海水養殖，我也很認真，我雖然當醫生，但我家都是在做魚塭的，我不是白癡，我很認真在看，每一個都看清楚，要讓縣政府施工的就讓它施工，你們水利署還是漁業署自己要施工的，就紮紮實實施工，現在有一點成效出來啦！所以這個水權的問題，部長，那都是枝枝節節，要做或不做而已啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：沒有啦！報告委員，因為我們屏東那一帶有地下水的問題，現在如果水抽得太多，整個就都崩塌了，所以那部分也是要控制，真的跟委員報告，我相信你是內行的，你應該很清楚屏東的情形。 |
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蘇委員清泉：現在林邊溪的伏流水一天流入海的約有九十幾萬噸，你要怎麼好好利用？海水…… |
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郭部長智輝：那一帶都是我們屏南在做養殖的。 |
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蘇委員清泉：部長，你很清楚海水要怎麼引進來，全海水養殖都可以，不要講得那麼困難，只是要不要做，所以短期內把它提高，好不好？ |
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陳部長駿季：會啦，我們現在用特別預算有編列經費加強去做。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，給個數字吧！至少要幾年內要達到像嘉義、雲林，沒有人這樣啦，這會讓那些人血本無歸，魚苗都放了下去，像上次凱米颱風就滿出來，魚也跑掉、蝦子也跑掉，那比死還要難過，我們真的要苦民所苦啦，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好，了解委員的關心，我們對水資源的善用，乃至於對於生態環境的保護，我們在這個原則底下積極來協助現在的養殖業者，這當然是我們的政策，但是一定要中央、地方能夠配合，地方的維護、土地資源的維護還是要列為重要的優先因素。 |
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蘇委員清泉：多久會達到雲林的水準？什麼時候可以達到50%、60%、70%這樣子…… |
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卓院長榮泰：不同的縣市這樣子比較，沒有特別的意義。 |
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蘇委員清泉：你不要讓颱風來一次比一次嚴重，像這個跟賽洛瑪差不多。我看，有的人在賽洛瑪之前那時候還沒出生，當時是很嚴重的。院長，你有經歷過吧？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們會積極來看看，協助業者能夠在合法的水權底下進行他的產業。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我有開協調會…… |
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卓院長榮泰：用不同縣市的比較，沒有意義。 |
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蘇委員清泉：我有開協調會，枋寮、佳冬、林邊的鄉長通通都來了，大家都罵得很難聽，所以部長，我們在地人一定要做到好，趕快積極來做，好不好？ |
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郭部長智輝：好。 |
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蘇委員清泉：漁業署也說樂觀其成。 |
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好，繼續，昨天晚上的事件，這是人家叫我問的，這個分所長被撞死。院長，我跟大家報告，我們警察是第二陸軍，我們的海巡署是第二海軍，警察條例第三十五條，給他們關心一下啦！我們總統說他是三軍的靠山，我希望他做警消人員的靠山。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們覺得非常的不捨、非常的痛惜，在執法的過程當中因公殉職，我想整個包括警政署、內政部，我們都要對他後續的一些撫卹工作做到最完美，給家屬一個最好的安慰，重要的是肇事的這個行為人這種不法的行為，我們應該要給社會一個很清楚的交代。 |
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蘇委員清泉：部長，警察條例第三十五條上次沸沸揚揚，我是提案人。 |
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劉部長世芳：是，報告委員，這一位肇事者…… |
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蘇委員清泉：銓敘部唧唧歪歪一大堆理由。 |
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劉部長世芳：我有兩個報告，第一個，肇事者是一個毒蟲，已經抓到了；第二個，我們表達非常的痛心；第三個就是有關於警察因公殉職的部分，其實我們已經公告完成，會用最高的撫卹方式來進行他殉職方面的撫卹作業。 |
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蘇委員清泉：他們的退休能夠拉高一點，警察的平均壽命跟一般百姓差十歲，部長，你知道嗎？且他們退休之後很快，八年以內很多人都出問題，這個我們都有統計。 |
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劉部長世芳：是，感謝你關心警察的福利。 |
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蘇委員清泉：為什麼？日夜顛倒，比我們醫護人員的值班還辛苦，因為他是間斷式的，所以每一個到55歲、58歲退休之後，馬上就出問題，所以這些警察是我們要呵護的，給他們尊嚴、給他們照顧、給他們當靠山…… |
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劉部長世芳：謝謝委員。 |
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蘇委員清泉：比照軍人的退休又有什麼了不起，也不用花多少錢啊！我們平常把他們當作衛生紙、當作抹布蹂躪，然後就放任不管，講不過去啦！好不好？部長。 |
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劉部長世芳：我們一起來努力。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，繼續，你等一下再走。接著換你了，又換你了，來！高鐵到潮州，這裡我要向院長肯定陳世凱，他剛上任沒幾天就跑到六塊厝去，大家說他不專業，但是我覺得他勇於任事，好像只有我在肯定他。部長，給你肯定！ |
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陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。 |
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卓院長榮泰：越多的委員越認識他啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：他講得很直接，非常好。好，高鐵的預定路線，我們那天決定是六塊厝車站優先施工，對不對？部長。 |
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陳部長世凱：是。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，你也知道這個事情嘛！就是六塊厝這個地方，因為高鐵進到屏東大概才1.4公里而已，那邊的海拔那天也有跟部長報告，才7公尺而已，所以一定要架高堤防。還有那個地方是科學園區，已經有2家廠商在動工了，所以那個地方先做我們百分之百贊成，但是我們的目標是要通到潮州，方案一、方案二、方案三，那天鍾佳濱委員也在場，他也說走高雄市這一段可能會比較好，我沒意見，但是倒退嚕再開出來，有點違反原則，against principle。如果從高雄這邊走，我是讀雄中的，就在高雄火車站那邊，我跟你說，高雄舊市區如果這個三鐵共構沒成立，那麼那個車站挖得這麼大、非常大，三鐵共構絕對沒有問題，但如果那個地方高鐵沒有經過，我跟你說，高雄市的舊市區就死翹翹，沒有機會了！我是雄中的老校友，剛好隔壁就是雄中，所以我強烈建議，至於跑小港機場這個是離得比較遠一點。年底要定案，在這裡我還是建議，我們的目標是要到潮州，部長也說可以把軌道延伸出來，準備隨時要接下去，部長，你是不是這麼說的？ |
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陳部長世凱：報告委員，那個叫做留尾軌，就是留下未來延伸的可能性，目前延伸屏東的方案已經在綜合規劃當中，像委員剛才所說的，有兩個方案，目前我們正在思考，也正在討論，目前是討論到六塊厝，我知道地方上還有一些聲音希望能再更長一點，那麼我們就用留尾軌的方式，留尾軌就會留下未來延伸的可能性。 |
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蘇委員清泉：如果高鐵只到六塊厝，那是一點意義都沒有，一點意義都沒有…… |
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陳部長世凱：可是屏東鄉親還是很期待。 |
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蘇委員清泉：進去屏東1.4公里，那是支線的末端，跟盲腸一樣，所以一定要往下努力啦！這個跟院長請求，也跟你報告。 |
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另外一個是比較嚴肅的問題──墾丁化，這跟交通部有關，也和內政部有關，「墾丁化」這句話院長有聽過嗎？這句話是難聽話欸！這句話是鄙視跟看不起的話，如果我們說六合夜市墾丁化，那就表示它東西賣得很貴，亂喊價，每種東西都不好。如果說饒河夜市墾丁化、士林夜市墾丁化，這都是難聽話，因為墾丁、恆春半島已經被污名化了，所以在這裡我要跟院長報告一下，墾丁今天為什麼會死得那麼慘？恆春半島為什麼會死得那麼慘？三個原因，第一個是交通的問題，第二個是地價的問題，第三是生意人的心態。墾丁國家公園管理處失職！我一個一個跟你報告。這是在2018年人家就在消遣的話，2018年就這樣講，但地方政府也沒什麼作為啦！院長，你如果去夏威夷，你在Waikiki海灘的旁邊開車，那麼漂亮你自然就會慢慢開、慢慢欣賞，但是我們屏東呢？你看在車城那邊整個都是光電板，好幾百公頃，這是我跑去現場拍的，整條路都醜得要命，誰會想要慢慢開、慢慢欣賞？所以蘇貞昌院長去挖那些樹、去種那些樹，我看是沒用啦！我是在地人，可以這樣跟你講。 |
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關於交通的問題，你知道這樣的照相機有幾支？測速照相有17支、闖紅燈4支、區間測速兩大組，全部抓得「爽歪歪」！院長，在111年、112年和113年，你不用跟我說墾丁有多少人去玩，我只看這個數字就知道了，以前一年的交通罰單都七、八千萬，屏東縣政府可以分到75%，結果今年1月到8月只剩這樣，這樣是什麼？沒人去了啦！你去墾丁玩回來，拿到兩張、三張罰單是很普通的事情，如果是你，你開車去玩一趟回來兩、三張罰單，你還會再去嗎？罵都罵死了！所以墾丁的沒落、斷崖式的下墜，不是沒理由的，大家要思考看看怎麼來救它，不然我看是沒希望了！新北市一年編列的交通違規罰單，四百多萬人口編列10億，屏東縣79萬人口編5億，而且收到六億多，超收啦！新北市平均起來一個人負擔250元，屏東人本來就已經很窮、窮到快被鬼抓走了，結果還要負擔750元，請問一下這個合理嗎？所以觀光客不來，我們地方政府也要負點責任吧！ |
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再來是地價，這個跟內政部應該有關係。墾丁大街那一段不到一公里，差不多五、六百公尺，一坪土地176萬，嚇死人了！大直那邊差不多一百三十幾萬，這裡卻要176萬，一間樓房都是七、八千萬起跳，請問這種房子要賣給誰？聽說那一家麥當勞要搬走了、做不下去了，院長，你可能都不知道，你下次來我陪你去看一看。 |
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卓院長榮泰：那間麥當勞我去過啦！ |
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蘇委員清泉：麥當勞也快做不下去了，你去過了嘛，現在做不下去，因為都沒有人了！這裡房子這麼貴，上面的民宿就貴，它下面的店面也貴，再來租在前面的攤販也貴嘛，所以五片櫛瓜賣你100元，你只好給它「幹譙」，這樣誰還要去？這個是國家公園管理處跟地方政府在那邊操作，為什麼會放任這樣？你看這個地方，這個是第三個，我們業者本身不自愛，把遊客當作一次性的肥羊這樣痛宰，誰受得了？針對國家公園管理處，請問劉部長這要怎麼加強？ |
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劉部長世芳：跟委員報告，這個部分其實在8月以後已經有開始開罰，然後也跟業者要求要自律，同時我們現在跟屏東縣政府，包括地方鄉鎮公所，還有民代服務處一起來協調，看看未來怎麼樣處理，包括陽傘的部分以及機具、車輛的部分，儘量減少這個亂象，不要讓景觀上面覺得看起來好像到這個地方去，那麼漂亮的沙灘全部都在看陽傘，這是一個非常糟糕的景象。因為多次有網紅反映，所以事實上我們到現在為止已經開立了73張的勸導單，業者也願意按照我們所訂定的新方式重新招租有關陽傘租用的辦法。 |
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蘇委員清泉：交通的部分，你一下子限速50公里，一下子60公里，一下子70公里，我看只有瘋子會這樣就算了，所以要抓好，不是說這樣一直亂抓，以為這樣就是好事，沒有這種事情。 |
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院長，關於地價的問題，你可以放任這個地價一坪公告地價五十幾萬嗎？公告現值90萬，市價150萬、160萬、170萬、180萬，200萬也在喊，誰買得下去？只有你買得下去而已，我們是沒辦法。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我跟委員報告，剛剛你談的這幾個問題，我覺得終結的問題、最癥結的問題，就是國家公園的管理要非常地到位，剛剛部長已經談到了。 |
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蘇委員清泉：第一個國家公園，第一個！搞到現在這樣。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我覺得它是最癥結的問題。至於交通的問題，我請陳部長好好去規劃，交通號誌重新地檢討一下…… |
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蘇委員清泉：好。 |
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卓院長榮泰：但是在這個觀光地區維持交通的重要性，我們還是要兼顧。至於土地的問題，如果沒有那麼多人會去，地價不可能那麼高，但去的要好好…… |
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蘇委員清泉：外面的人去買、去那邊炒作。 |
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卓院長榮泰：對，就要考慮到在當地是不是有這樣的條件，我們很難用公的權力去壓抑這個地價，但是我們要把周遭的環境管理得好，我想會符合它的價值。 |
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蘇委員清泉：恆春鎮一棟樓房1,200萬、1,300萬，現在漲價了，以前不到1,000萬；那裡一間房子、一棟房子要5,000萬、6,000萬、7,000萬、8,000萬，這是「裝肖仔」嘛！沒有那種條件。 |
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最後，這裡還有五里亭機場，院長，你有沒有聽過？以前恆春的五里亭機場一個禮拜還有三十幾班飛機，現在一班都沒有，所以你要考慮看要怎麼恢復，以前是從松山機場飛到恆春。 |
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再來是我們的屏南快速道路，院長你也有去那裡宣示說要開始了，那個路廊也決定了，我建議在高架高速路的下面做單車道，全長85公里，可以騎到哪裡就休息到哪裡、吃到哪裡，這樣也可以振興，那是另外一個族群，這是一個好的事情。院長，考量一下，下面用單車，有很多地方都在做，部長，可以吧？ |
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陳部長世凱：我們來研究。 |
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蘇委員清泉：好，兩位請回。請衛福部邱部長。 |
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主席：衛福部邱部長。 |
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蘇委員清泉：快點，剩3分鐘而已。院長辛苦了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：不會。 |
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蘇委員清泉：今天早上有聽到幾位委員在質詢，也講了很多我們健保的事情，我跟邱部長有很多對話，我跟他講，他就像和尚一樣，我對著和尚唸經是沒有用的，因為他比我還會唸，所以我今天要對院長你。我們的醫療有沒有機會、有沒有希望、有沒有救，就要看你了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我常說過去30年健保保障國人，現在我們要回頭保障健保，所以一定要有救，而且一定要救得起來，目前我覺得體質還是在我們大家能夠接受的範圍內。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，我跟你說，我們上次的主決議說，明年6月30日之前要到0.95，我本來是堅持1點1元的，但是被罵了，到後來我們也是撤回來，三黨都同意要不然就用主決議、怎麼樣，我們都同意，反正主要是醫界可以走得下去、活得下去，這樣就好了。那是明年6月30日的事情，但是現在就活不下去了。你知不知道目前的點值剩多少？0.82！0.82！要拿一些出來救啦！我要跟院長報告的就是，你的基金裡面還有200億，可以拿一些來補。 |
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現在健保署怎麼操作，你知道嗎？它就說，譬如三招，第一招就是斷頭，我要給你1億，結果你做1億2，你的2,000萬就自己斷頭，斷頭之後，它就給你抽案子來嚴審，審完之後還不夠，達不到邱泰源說的0.95，後面再叫你共同分攤扣除，叫作攤扣，和音樂的Time Code不一樣，這樣還叫你要攤扣，有7億、8億，也有10億，把點值拉到0.92、0.93，很好看！如果要用這樣的方式來殺，1.0也沒問題，1.1塊錢也沒問題，所以現在都是假象，再來會造成什麼？造成自費的醫療院所巧立名目，自費的就越來越高，我敢講醫療院所巧立名目，這是很大的挑戰喔！但是不這樣它活不了，與其要這樣，不如把事實顯現出來，健保署很聰明，你要什麼它就給你什麼，你要0.95，它就給你殺到0.95，嚴審、斷頭、共同攤扣。所以今年已經不行了，要從健保基金裡面拿一些出來補今年現在的點值，不然的話到年底都出問題了，部長，是不是這樣？剩下38秒而已，你快點講。 |
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邱部長泰源：因為點值當然是有比較低，我們政府其實都有想辦法來改善這個環境下應該有的權益，尤其現在的行政院，無論是今年還是未來都用盡了努力。 |
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蘇委員清泉：院長，我今天把這個問題提出來，因為我本身比邱部長還資深，所以我直接跟你說答案就好了，你今年一定要拿一些出來補，不然今年會連0.9、0.88都到不了，真的會越來越糟糕，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員的提醒。 |
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主席：謝謝蘇委員、謝謝卓院長。 |
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下一位請林淑芬委員質詢。 |
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204 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-2-2 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
江啟臣 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
吳宗憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
105 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-01 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1137601 |
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1137601_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─ |
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1137601_00004 |
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155046 |
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| 日期 |
2024-10-01 |
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院會-11-2-2 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議 |
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2024-10-01T15:01:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-01T15:32:05+08:00 |
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