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響鐘 |
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院長好昨天中午發布了我們的電又在漲在這樣的情況之下告訴我們這一次民生先不漲那一次產業界漲所以本期要請教院長 |
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會不會衝擊到我們整個經濟鏈會不會衝擊到物價指數的一個提升請教院長 |
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好 三句話第一句台電的財務兩個因素一個是長期受電是在他的成本底下第二個因素他負擔了很多政策的補貼的政策作用像是醫院啊學校都有台電來吸收所以我們正式調整第一個我們希望反映成本所以把他的受電電價在工業用戶大戶的這個過程比較接近他的成本但是還是比起我們競爭的其他亞洲鄰近國家還要低一些 |
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李卓人議員 |
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你這個有撥補之前我們郭部長說 |
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臺電應該要自給自足但是我們目前所做的是公務部門的一個公務預算撥補第二個把人民當提款機的漲價變相的雖然你在工業的部分漲價但是民生不漲但是會不會影響到我們整個物價指數的提升剛剛你沒回答本席的議題所以本席要請問你 |
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你能不能答應在你目前的情況之下明年你還會用公務預算撥補嗎明年你還會再漲價嗎 電價請說公務預算的撥補現階段我們還有一個追加預算在大院裡面那是要彌補過去財務的虧損還有重要的現在民生用電的補貼要用這個方向來處理 |
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民生用電怎麼補貼我們民生用電2點多元遠遠低於現在的發電成本所以總院長你也來自過民意的洗禮過所以你應該更了解所以本席要請問你的就是說目前你的能源政策你的電價是如何的來做第一個漲價第二個用公務預算來補本席要請教到目前為止你這麼做你以後還會這麼做嗎會不會 |
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會不會?會不會?所以本集一開頭就請問你你工業漲了之後會不會影響物價?會不會?我們拭目以待我從一開始希望得到你的答案未來你會不會還是這兩個方向漲價跟工預算撥補?你的方針是不是如此? |
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這是現在必須進行的方向現在必須進行的方向本期請教未來會不會未來你的方針是不是 |
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兩年讓財務健全那我們就拭目以待我還是要警惕的我還是警惕的提醒你要看我們的物價指數我們的民生生活到底怎麼樣你告訴我們兩年希望給台電的這個債務預算可以好我們拭目以待接下來本席請教 |
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守護下一代我們要謝謝你們接受本席的建言因為本席一再關心我們從女性的HPV疫苗的公費施打到目前為止所以也告訴我們女性如果打了八成我們就可以考慮 |
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公費接種HPV疫苗是不是我們在明年開始是不分性別開始施打 |
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謝謝委員我記得委員已經不只一次提到這樣的問題我們關心下一代而且關心的下一代應該不分性別應該同時關心但是因為這個HPV這個疫苗它有性別上某種的差異所以我們從107年從女性國中女生就開始施打現在不是這樣子告訴我們錢不夠所以女性打了八成我們再來考慮男性這個都過了我們一切感恩請教立體明年 |
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我們是不是不分男女就打HPV114年就開始是不是114年國中男生對就明天報告委員我們為了達到WHO消除子宮腎癌90 70 90這個目標所以在ACIP已經在113年5月24號通過決議要將HPV接種疫苗的擴展到國中的男學生所以有關於將國中男學生納入公會補助目前已便利便利在預算裡面 |
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好 這個就是本席要謝謝的因為當時現在的邱部長也是邱立法委員我們一起努力一直推動一直推動這個就是我們一定要好好的來守護但是在施打前我還是建議就明年我們開始 |
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接下來本席要請教院長 |
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2025年我看到我們編列的預算927億也就是長照整體預算那所以呢在這樣的一個情況之下我們看到你這個長照逐年一定會增加預算因為我們人口老化非常的嚴重 |
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所以預防措施是非常非常的重要我們要怎麼樣避免老人的一個失能臥床因為如果有這樣子情況下去我們的長照加注的人力跟資源會更多所以在這邊我請教你們有沒有固定的做健康檢查 |
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院長你有沒有我上個月才剛做好部長你有沒有當然有當然有齁我們要鼓勵大家一定要定期的做健康檢查這個是預防重疑治療那所以呢本校請教你有沒有做骨質疏鬆的一個檢查院長你有沒有這次沒有這次沒有那部長你有嗎這次有嗎 |
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我也沒有接受過好 我們實質來討論高齡者的沉默殺手就是骨質疏鬆症很多說長者你不要跌倒他不是願意跌倒我們要孝順他就是不平衡骨質疏鬆所以本期再給你一個數字也就是65歲以上民眾的骨質密度 |
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有一個部位量測出有骨質疏鬆的比例是14.1%換句話說院長7個人就有一個骨質疏鬆7個就有一個我們再看到我們很緊張的也就是說長者萬一跌倒骨折尤其部長理事醫生更清楚他如果臥床 |
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若施能他更需要家庭的照顧跟長照的介入那你的預算難怪每一年都要增加所以我希望我們全面的照顧在預防的這一環所以本期要請教院長跟部長你能不能撥普給65歲的長者 |
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好 報告委員 我想股松一定要 要防止股松要從幼年的時候 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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你有能力的人你從源頭去做你讓他篩檢你讓他篩檢可以幫助很多的家庭很多的長者因為一個跌倒就不能動臥床這很難過的事情你拜託好不好我拜託你把它納入你的撥補將老65歲以上骨質疏鬆納入我們的檢查撥補或者是納入在健保的一個篩檢裡頭可以嗎 |
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臺灣老化速度是世界第一 |
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很驚訝很驚訝臺灣老化的速度是世界第一所以我拜託你65歲以上的長者你讓他固執篩檢疏鬆篩檢的納入你絕對可以讓你的長照可以省掉很多的資源以及幫助很多的家庭好不好你去檢討是不是你多久可以告訴我們納入 |
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只要這個衛福部專業的報告出來之後我們認為有需要我們就來看看裁員怎麼來籌措好 謝謝院長部長多久告訴我們我們馬上回去就把這個議題我們先從65歲以上的長者來做專家多久評估告訴我時間 |
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我們大概希望在一個月內能夠開會我謝謝部長一個月內你開會有一個方向我們就先從65歲以上的長者來做檢驗好不好就從院長所說的專家認為需要真正可以幫助我們積極來研議謝謝對謝謝院長跟部長的一個支持那所以本席要在這邊要跟你討論的也就是我們的點子問題 |
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點子問題0.95三黨決議通過在立法院通過院長明年度會不會編族趁現在預算重議的這個階段因為立法院不能增加預算所以在這樣的情況之下是三黨在立院裡頭 |
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決議通過我想邱部長你自己本身在第9屆第5次會議的時候你也特別臨時提案希望點子到一血汗醫護這個影響非常的大所以在這樣的情況之下我拜託院長 |
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我們本來希望1點值1.1塊但是因為我們也體諒預算要怎麼來所以1點0.95這是三黨決議明年會不會編足這個預算請教院長 |
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我首先報告委員再請院長指導我首先感謝大家對醫療環境的改善我想所有的醫護界都深感感謝 |
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您來自異界啊,所以你更了解啊,所以你應該要極力去編組啊當然,那我真的在這邊非常感謝行政院院長、行政院的團隊真的在預算的編列裡面一直積極的來投向改善我們整個醫療的環境告訴我,明年會不會編組?1.0.95我跟委員報告一下我們最低微的要求 |
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請針對本期的提問點值1.0.95現在已經現在有1.0.82 |
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這個嚴重白色巨塔萬一垮掉就沒有人有辦法負責的請告訴我立法院院長不好意思邱部長我要請教院長立法院三黨決議是全民共識是全民共識明年會不會編組1.0.95請教院長 |
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我知道大院委員是站在為一屆部理屆爭取更多的權益但是我們考量的是今年的這個健保的給付已經相當高額那如果達到1.1塊那是不可能要達到0.95要達到0.95總額預算9000多億已經比去年多了 |
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你只要增加700億你只要增加700億 |
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你為了一個能源政策非核家園的神主牌你每一年1000億的公務卻撥補還漲我們當人民當體管機你只要增加700億你可以照顧2300萬的人民你竟然告訴我們我已經9000多了院長你在冷靜的思考我們針對5點0.95的點子 |
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114年的總額已經增加將近700億了 |
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所以你現在告訴我的是說你做不來是嗎點子1點0.95明年會不會達到請告訴我報告 報告委員因為從明年的總額實質上已經增加了我們盤算一樣增加了712億其實也符合到達0.95所需要的財務狀況總額制是陳時中部長他從德國拿回來 |
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這個過程到現在 血汗衣物已經產生社會現象 |
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院長我還是誠意的建議你趁著現在正在從議預算請你趕快編組明年的1.0.95請注意聽這是在立法院三黨藍綠白全民共識的議決如果連立法院三黨共識的議決行政院都不編 |
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那這是什麼政府能夠最平均資源去照顧全國的民眾我再一次請教院長明年立法院三讀通過立法院通過的三黨決議 |
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點子1點0.95你會不會編你會不會達到會不會達到會不會達到我請教院長會不會達到就目前的財務來看就健保的總額給付來看明年要達到0.95應該有它實質上的困難 |
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但是我們盡量的做任何的委員你還記得你剛剛上一題是要增加健保的骨質失蹤的檢查那個錢從哪裡來你一方面要增加檢查你剛一個行政院長問我錢從哪裡來你這個政府出了什麼事情啊你一方面要提高我們的使用一方面要增加我們的檢數這個是絕對矛盾的邱部長你冷靜 |
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你不用回答了你絕對站在醫務在全民健康的立場上面請你用你的專業建議給我們卓院長明年編組明年我們有信心達到0.95我們在我們整個醫界的努力之下 |
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那你怎麼跟卓院長兩個不同調啊?因為卓院長他...你告訴我是明年1點可以1點95是不是?所以邱部長你跟我回答的是明年會達到1點0.95是不是?你告訴我是不是邱部長?我必須...這樣我想...就可以... |
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應該有信心可以達到我們的目標就是0.95但是大家會一直增加我們的支出我現在如果給你保證要又增加你又提趙委員的提議又增加支出那我們要達到就困難所以大家要聽聽聽 |
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他答應朝這個目標他認為可以成功所以我拜託你好 朝這個目標拜託你接下來我們請教來 超思現在監察委員說但是我們看到112年9月3號9月3號告訴我們說他不是一人公司 |
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徐部長你請回但是我們看到監察委員這麼說所以我也請教院長一個人分四三角當時告訴我們這個公司很好50萬可以接收那麼大的一個金額所以請教院長法務部長在這裡吧法務部我要首先院長您聽喔我要請教這個一切都是由農業部代為處理嗎 |
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在這樣的一個情況之下他即可以獲得3800萬的手續費所以請教法務部長整個超時案是不是符合圖令相關的法律要件請教部長有沒有跟委員報告那個超時案現在臺北地檢署在正班中那這個有沒有相關的這個範型我想那個整個臺北地檢署檢察官會託為 |
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所以現在檢調在調查當中 |
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我跟委員報告 |
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很早在整個採購過程中已經做了行政調查但是行政調查中有關於行政調查你在112.9月份告訴我們他很好啊我們是主動移情檢調去調查的結果跟監察院長跟監察院查的完全不一樣所以我歡喜聽到院長你說要調查清楚這也是全民共識我們希望勿往勿中也不要誣蔑但是也要還原真相因為一個政府不能再有這樣的事件發生所以我們期待院長你說的調查清楚 |
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請教院長目前我們面臨到這麼多的問題 |
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執政部長 |
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他認為有必要言所以我們現在國土法目前為您大的困境中央跟地方有9個縣市還沒有提所以換句話說溝通還沒有好第二個我們農業發展的地區有很多相關的條件不符尤其在六都裡頭縣市合併之後差距非常的大在這樣的一個情況那麼接下來就是 |
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重疊的部分重疊的部分如農地跟我們的國保地重疊的區域要怎麼做處理現在還不清不楚所以本席要請教國土法的實施目的是要在未來的土地要有正義它有很重要的代表性這是一個非常重要的大工程是嗎您頻頻的點頭所以本席要請教在我們法律實施之前我們的國同縣市政府還不清楚民眾也不清楚現在民眾很擔心 |
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國土法的實施有它法定的時程我們原來應該要照這個時程來進行但目前我們遇到困難成都委員所說有9個縣市並沒有向這個功能圖表送上來所以沒有辦法現在做一個統一整合的規劃 |
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具體明年的4月時間相當的急迫所以包括內政部包括人力部還在跟地方政府積極的溝通當中甚至對於提出國土法內容很多疑義的部分就法律條文本身疑義的部分也在做試圖的說明跟溝通但好像這個進展目前來看是受到很多的挑戰 |
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所以我充分建議院長在溝通未完成地方政府還沒有辦法送上來的時候我們應當要延後執行你認同嗎但是早一天能夠將國土有效的整體運用還沒有溝通之前當然這是我們的目標但是在沒有溝通執行者也不知道怎麼執行民眾也非常恐慌我們應該要延後你可以認同嗎 |
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我是希望 國會延後內政部 農業部還是繼續跟地方溝通當然要溝通時間的掌握現在對我們來講是非常困難的是有困難的你也認定是有困難在明年4月內政部長也認為在內政委員會也認為有困難所以本期具體再次建議也就是在溝通未完成的時候那應該要延後執行那因為國土法本身有重大的意義有意義的工作通常都比較困難但是我們還是直接進行 |
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請市長稍微回答一下我們一個結論就是在溝通會完成之前請院長延後執行好不好謝謝委員在進行溝通當中那個嘉義市跟苗栗縣已經都同意要送來了時間暫停阿你要還我20秒來那個市長請回延後執行我就違法我現在除非法有變更不然我沒有辦法延後執行 |
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我們這一條藍色捷運等好久好久好久好久十幾年 |
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我們的交通部長林交通部長來自臺中現任的部長也來自臺中他當議員的時候也全力支持嘛對不對陳部長你也是全力推動所以我們好不容易好不容易兩週前旅刊了那麼昨天我也在我們的這個工程會也跟主委討論過我要請教我們修正完成之後送到這個這個工程會來院長你是不是指示盡速審定完成 |
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讓我們可以在2034年如期的來通車請教 |
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陳部長你要清楚一點啦不是這樣子的工程會昨天你答應我在10月底以前把他審議完均是嗎 |
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10月底可以完成基本設計的審查 |
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你來督促好嗎 |
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一切都要按照目前的進度循序進行那進行到最後已經到了像剛剛主委所說的這樣地步 |
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這個程度那當然就會進到另外一個成熟期我們就往回前推所以您督促我們專案我也謝謝工程會工程會跟交通部都很用心來做這個事情全力來把它完成10月底我們的審議完成然後我們在今年年底可以實質工程進度陳部長這也是我們一起大家努力推動的全力努力接下來我要問台中舊三線鐵道副使鐵馬先行 |
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我相信陳部長在當時當議員的時候不管縣議員市議員都全力的推動而且在林佳龍部長的時候他也全力去看過李孟淵部長也去看過王國才部長也都去看過院長大家去看過都說這個是臺灣的寶貝美的不得了所以我們一定要全力推動但是經過了三個部長到現在第四個部長我們的陳部長 |
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有兩位都是來自臺中也非常的熟悉我們地方的美所以本期要請教臺中舊三線鐵道以泰安舊泰安鐵道文化園區還有泰安溪這個鐵橋8號隧道跟新泰安的車站為核心那麼從苗栗這邊到我們臺中的後里這個是非常nice那麼所以在這樣的情況之下舊三線的鐵道自行車原始舊 |
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這個舊泰安的鐵道在三任的部長討論出一個9.14元的這個經費國發會也非常認同大家都認同請教請教我們院長鐵道復始鐵馬先行事關我們地方的發展跟觀光我們預估一年可以十幾萬的人觀光客進度到我們的地方來這是我們地方期待請教院長要不要全力的支持 |
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地方上好的一個觀光的產業跟它的整個整體規劃都是政府在推動觀光重要的過程那至於說地方上像是鐵道、富士、鐵馬先行這樣的方式請部長來說一下是我想這一段其實有一段已經是有鐵馬了這邊其實我自己也去騎過非常的漂亮那你說前面有三個部長到那邊看過我也再陪您再看一次我們繼續來推動好不好 |
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我希望拜託院長跟我去看不要三位部長看完都說很好全力支持數字好不容易已經出來現在就有 |
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現任的陳部長來接棒 把它完成 競速完成好嗎 院長我請部長來規劃 那整個過程我們去做深入的瞭解好 深入的瞭解就是權力的支持嘛 對不對我們也希望將這個好消息告訴我們的地方因為除了我們的鐵道活化 還要增加觀光人數我要再次的謝謝 我也要再次的好 謝謝謝謝王議員 謝謝卓院長 |
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接下來 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:01:57 - 09:32:40 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（9時1分）謝謝院會主席──我們的江副院長，以及卓院長所領軍的行政院團隊、新聞界的朋友，楊瓊瓔發言，各位同仁大家好，首先請院長。 |
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主席：請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：楊委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長好。昨天中午發布了我們的電又在漲，在這樣的情況之下，告訴我們這一次民生先不漲，但是產業界漲，所以本席要請教院長，我們從公務預算來撥補，到目前為止，每一年撥補到現在，台電的負債仍舊沒有改善，在這樣的一個情況之下，本席要請教，我們將產業的電價來提升，會不會衝擊到整個經濟鏈、會不會衝擊到物價指數的提升？請教院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：好，三句話，第一句，台電的財務兩個因素，一個是長期售電，是在它的成本底下；第二個因素，它負擔了很多政策補貼的政策作用，像是醫院、學校都由台電來吸收。所以這次調整，第一個，我們希望反應成本，所以把售電電價在工業用電大戶，比較接近它的成本，但是還是比起我們競爭的其他亞洲鄰近國家還要低一些。另外，我們希望穩定物價還有照顧民生這兩個區塊要同時達到，所以一些小商家、小商店、傳統產業等等比較低階的這個部分，我們儘量不漲它，或許有些只漲到7%，希望用這個方式，一方面穩定物價，一方面反應成本，讓台電的財務能夠自行健全。政策的部分，我們希望用其他的方式，由目的事業主管機關往後來負擔。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，你說的這個撥補，之前我們郭部長說台電應該要自給自足…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：但是我們目前所做的是公務部門的公務預算撥補；第二個，把人民當提款機的漲價，變相的……雖然你在工業的部分漲價，民生不漲，但是會不會影響到我們整個物價指數的提升？剛剛你沒回答本席的議題，所以本席要請問你，你能不能答應，在目前的情況之下，電價的部分，明年你還會用公務預算撥補嗎？明年你還會再漲價嗎？請說。 |
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卓院長榮泰：公務預算的撥補，現階段我們還有一個追加預算在大院裡面，那是要彌補過去財務的虧損。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，本席再請教…… |
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卓院長榮泰：還有重要的，現在民生用電的補貼，要用這個方向來處理。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：民生用電怎麼補貼？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們民生用電是二點多元，遠遠低於現在的發電成本。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以卓院長，你也來自民意洗禮過，所以你應該更瞭解…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以本席要請問你，目前你的能源政策──電價是如何來做？第一個漲價，第二個用公務預算來補。本席要請教，到目前為止你這麼做，以後還會這麼做嗎？會不會？會不會？會不會？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們現在除了漲價之外，也有不漲跟凍漲，是同時進行。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席一開頭就請問你，工業漲了之後會不會影響物價？會不會？我們拭目以待。我一開始希望得到你的答案，未來你會不會還是這兩個方向，漲價跟公務預算撥補？你的方針是不是如此？是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是現在必須進行的方向。郭部長講過…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：現在必須進行的方向？本席請教未來會不會？ |
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卓院長榮泰：郭部長講過，希望…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：未來你的方針是不是…… |
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卓院長榮泰：他希望兩年之後可以讓台電的財務健全。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：兩年讓財務健全啦！那我們就拭目以待，我還是要警惕…… |
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卓院長榮泰：所以你要支持我們的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我還是警惕地提醒，你要看我們的物價指數，我們的民生生活到底怎麼樣…… |
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卓院長榮泰：所以請委員支持我們階段性的作法。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你告訴我們兩年，希望台電的債務、預算可以好，我們拭目以待，謝謝。 |
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卓院長榮泰：所以請委員支持我們階段性的作法，我們才達得到。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：接下來本席請教，守護下一代，我們要謝謝你們接受本席的建言，因為本席一再關心。我們從女性的HPV疫苗公費施打到目前為止，也告訴我們女性如果打了八成，就可以考慮男性。所以我也要特別感謝，也就是聽到我們的建言，因為我們一定要守護下一代孩子的健康。我要請教公費接種HPV疫苗，我們在明年開始是不是不分性別開始施打？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，我記得委員已經不只一次提到這樣的問題，我們關心下一代，而且關心應該不分性別要同時關心。但是因為HPV疫苗，它有性別上某種的差異，所以我們107年從女性──國中女生就開始施打，現在…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長，不是這樣子，告訴我們錢不夠，所以女性打了八成，我們再來考慮男性，這個都過了，我們一切感恩，請教一題…… |
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卓院長榮泰：114年開始…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：明年我們是不是不分男女就打HPV？ |
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卓院長榮泰：114年就開始，部長再說明，114年國中男生就開始。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，就明年嘛！ |
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邱部長泰源：報告委員，我們為了達到WHO消除子宮頸癌90-70-90這個目標，所以ACIP已經在113年5月20號通過決議，要將HPV接種疫苗擴展到國中的男學生。所以有關於將國中男學生納入公費補助，目前已編列在預算裡面…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，這個就是本席要謝謝的，因為當時現在的邱部長也是邱立法委員，我們一起努力，一直推動、一直推動…… |
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邱部長泰源：是，謝謝委員。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們一定要好好的來守護，但是我們在施打前…… |
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邱部長泰源：我們最快114年就可以了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我還是建議明年開始，男、女國中生就來施打HPV的疫苗，保護我們的下一代。但是本席還是在這邊溫馨提醒，也就是在施打前相關的衛教溝通，請務必要做到，好嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：一定，是的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這個非常重要，好。接下來本席要請教院長，2025年我看到我們編列預算927億，也就是長照整體預算。在這樣的一個情況之下，我們看到長照一定會逐年增加預算，因為人口老化非常的嚴重，所以預防措施是非常非常的重要，我們要怎麼樣避免老人的失能、臥床？因為如果有這樣的情況下去，長照加注的人力跟資源會更多。 |
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所以我請教，你們有沒有固定的做健康檢查？院長你有沒有？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我上個月才剛做過。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，部長你有沒有？ |
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邱部長泰源：我當然有。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當然有喔！我們要鼓勵大家，一定要定期的做健康檢查，這個是預防重於治療。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。 |
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邱部長泰源：謝謝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以本席要請教，你們有沒有做骨質疏鬆的檢查？院長，你有嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這一次沒有。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：沒有，那部長你有嗎？這一次有嗎？ |
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邱部長泰源：我也沒有接受過…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你也沒有。好，我們來實質討論高齡者的沉默殺手──骨質疏鬆症，很多人和長者說：你不要跌倒。他不是願意跌倒，我們要孝順，他就是不平衡、骨質疏鬆。所以本席再給你一個數字，65歲以上民眾的骨質密度，有一個部位量測出骨質疏鬆的比率是14.1%。換句話說，院長，7個人就有1個骨質疏鬆，我們再看到、我們很緊張的，萬一長者跌倒骨折，尤其部長你是醫生會更清楚，他們如果臥床、如果失能，會更需要家庭照護跟長照的介入，難怪你的預算每一年都要增加，所以我希望我們在預防這一環全面照顧。本席要請教院長跟部長，你們能不能撥補給65歲的長者做骨鬆篩檢，或者將老人的健檢項目納入骨鬆篩檢？因為如果從這個部分去預防，你可以減少很多長照的預算跟需求及人力，請做說明。 |
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邱部長泰源：報告委員，骨鬆一定要……要防止骨鬆要從幼年的時候，青壯年就要開始了，因為，35歲以前，進去的鈣質才可以吸收在骨頭裡面。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：那連你自己都不檢查了？ |
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邱部長泰源：因為我牛奶喝的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：能不能納入？請告訴我。 |
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邱部長泰源：因為所有的篩檢項目都一定要經過專家會議，如果委員有這樣的關心建議，我們一定把它納入。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席具體建議，65歲以上的長者最怕的就是跌倒，為什麼會跌倒？ |
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邱部長泰源：是、是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為骨質疏鬆。院長，你是有能力的人，你從源頭去做，讓他們篩檢，篩檢可以幫助很多的家庭，很多長者因為跌倒就不能動、臥床，這是很難過的事情，我拜託你，把它納入撥補，將65歲以上老人骨質疏鬆檢查納入撥補，或者納入在健保的篩檢裡頭，可以嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好，我們剛剛聽到部長說希望能夠透過醫師專業的認定，如果專業上認為這個絕對需要…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：絕對需要。 |
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卓院長榮泰：有助於老人健康的促進，在專業認定之後，我們再來看這個財源如何分配。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長，有一個資料要告訴你，我告訴你絕對必要，是什麼呢？臺灣老化速度是世界第一…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這讓我很驚訝，臺灣老化的速度是世界第一！所以我拜託你，針對65歲以上的長者，你讓他們骨質疏鬆的篩檢納入，絕對可以讓長照省掉很多資源，以及幫助很多的家庭，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你去檢討，是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是、是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：多久可以告訴我們納入？ |
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卓院長榮泰：只要這個…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：明年起開始納入？ |
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卓院長榮泰：衛福部的專業報告出來之後，若認為有需要，我們就來看看財源怎麼籌措，進一步來籌措。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，謝謝院長。部長，多久告訴我們？ |
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邱部長泰源：我們回去馬上就把這個議題去做專家會議評估。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們先從65歲以上的長者來做。好，專家多久評估？告訴我時間。 |
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邱部長泰源：大概希望在1個月內能夠開會。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，謝謝部長，1個月內開會有一個方向，我們就先從65歲以上的長者來做檢驗，好不好？誠如院長所說的，專家認為需要，真正可以幫助。 |
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邱部長泰源：我們積極來研議，謝謝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，謝謝院長跟部長的支持。 |
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本席要在這邊要跟你討論的就是點值的問題，0.95元，三黨決議通過。在立法院通過，院長，明年度會不會編足？趁現在預算重議的這個階段，因為立法委員不能增加預算，所以在這樣情況之下，是三黨在立院裡頭決議通過。我想邱部長你自己本身在第9屆第5次會議時也特別提臨時提案，希望點值到1，血汗醫護啊！這個影響非常的大，在這樣的情況之下，我拜託院長，我們本來希望點值1點1元，但是因為我們也體諒預算要怎麼來的問題，所以1點0.95元，這是三黨決議，明年會不會編足這個預算？請教院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：請部長先答復。 |
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邱部長泰源：我先向委員報告，再請院長指導。首先，我感謝大家對醫療環境的改善，我想所有的醫界、醫護界也都十分的感謝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：您來自醫界啊！所以你更了解啊！所以你應該要極力去編足啊！ |
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邱部長泰源：當然我在這邊，非常感謝行政院長，行政院的團隊真的在預算的編列裡面，一直積極的投入，以改善我們整個醫療的環境，提供給人民更好的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：告訴我，明年會不會編足1點0.95元？這是我們最卑微的要求。 |
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邱部長泰源：跟委員報告一下，單單明年的總額成長率，這是有史以來，大概會到達9,286億…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請針對本席的提問，點值1點0.95元，院長你知道嗎？現在有的是1點0.82元欸！這個很嚴重，白色巨塔萬一垮掉，是沒有人有辦法負責的。 |
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邱部長泰源：因為我們增加了…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：邱部長，不好意思，我要請教院長，這是立法院三黨的決議，是全民共識，所以明年會不會編足1點0.95元？請教院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我知道大院委員是站在為醫界、護理界爭取更多的權益，但是我們考量的是，今年的健保給付已經相當高額，如果達到1點1元，那是不可能；要達到0.95…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：0.95元是院會決議的，是三黨共識，所以請教院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：總額預算九千多億，已經比去年多了五百多億以上，如果達到0.95元，我們沒有那樣的財務，那整個健保的經營會更加的困難，所以我們…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長，你這個回答讓我傷心啦！邱部長告訴我們，到達0.95元，你只要增加700億，你為了一個能源政策，非核家園的神主牌，你每年1,000億的公務預算去撥補，還漲我們電費，當人民是提款機；你只要增加700億，就可以照顧2,300萬的人民，可是你竟然告訴我們，預算已經九千多億了…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員這個邏輯有點不對，非核家園不是神主牌，1,000億的追加不是為了非核家園。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長，請你再冷靜的思考，針對1點0.95元的點值，用700億來照顧全國2,300萬的民眾，你卻告訴我編不出來，我會傷心欸！人民繳那麼多納稅錢，最普遍的資源、最公平的分配，報告院長，換我給你報告，你做得來嗎？你明年會不會編？ |
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卓院長榮泰：114年的總額已經增加將近700億了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以你現在告訴我的是你做不來，是嗎？點值1點0.95元，明年會不會達到？請告訴我。 |
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邱部長泰源：報告委員，經我們的盤算，明年的總額實質上已經增加了712億，其實也符合、到達0.95元所需要的財務狀況。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：總額制是陳時中部長從德國拿回來的，這個過程，到現在已經產生血汗醫護這樣一個社會現象，院長，我還是誠意的建議你，趁著現在正在重議預算，請你趕快編足明年的1點0.95元，請注意聽，這是立法院三黨藍、綠、白全民共識的議決，如果連立法院三黨共識的議決，行政院都不編，那這是什麼政府？這是能夠以最平均資源去照顧全國的民眾。 |
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我再次請教院長，立法院通過的三黨決議，明年點值1點0.95元，你會不會編？你會不會達到？ |
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邱部長泰源：報告委員，我從衛福部…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我請問院長，會不會達到？ |
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卓院長榮泰：就目前的財務來看，就健保的總額給付來看，明年要達到0.95元，應該有它實質上的困難，但是我們做任何的事情…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我傷心啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，還記得剛剛你的上一題是要增加健保中骨質疏鬆的檢查，那個錢從哪裡來？你一方面要增加檢查…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你一個行政院長問我錢從哪裡來？你這個政府出了什麼事情啊！院長，一個政府…… |
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卓院長榮泰：你一方面要提高我們的使用，一方面要增加我們的點數，這是絕對矛盾的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你冷靜。邱部長，你不用回答了，相信你絕對站在醫護、站在全民健康的立場上，所以請你用你的專業建議卓院長明年編足。謝謝，請回。 |
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邱部長泰源：報告委員，明年我們有信心達到0.95，在整個醫界的努力之下…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你怎麼跟卓院長兩個不同調？ |
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邱部長泰源：因為卓院長他…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：不了解？你告訴我1點可以0.95元是不是？ |
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邱部長泰源：因為提升點值還有很多要做的事情，這是我們醫界要努力的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以邱部長回答我的是，明年會達到1點0.95元？ |
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邱部長泰源：行政院已經拿出最大的力量…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們已經做了很多。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：是不是？邱部長，你告訴我是不是？ |
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邱部長泰源：醫界也要來配合。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：醫界絕對全力配合，請教部長，是不是？是不是？ |
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邱部長泰源：應該有信心可以達到委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：有信心達到？好…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們的目標就是0.95，但是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我就趁著…… |
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卓院長榮泰：但是大家會一直增加支出，我現在如果給你保證，照委員的提議增加支出，這樣我們要達到就會有困難。所以大家要心平氣和…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長，你要聽你的部會首長講話。院長，他答應朝這個目標去做，他認為可以成功…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們本來就朝這個目標。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，朝這個目標…… |
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邱部長泰源：我們要朝各方面來努力。 |
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卓院長榮泰：但是剛剛委員又增加了我們一筆預算…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：接下來請教超思案。現在監察委員說……我們看到你們在112年9月3日告訴我們超思不是一人公司……邱部長，你請回。但我們卻看到監察委員這麼說，所以我要請教院長。一個人分飾三角，所以當時告訴我們這個公司很好，50萬可以接收那麼大的金額，所以想請教院長。法務部長在這裡吧？院長，我首先要請教，這一切都由農業部代為處理嗎？在這樣的情況之下，他獲得3,800萬的手續費，請教法務部長，整個超思案是不是符合圖利的相關法律要件？有沒有？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，超思案…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你告訴我有或沒有就好。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：現在臺北地檢署在偵辦中，至於有沒有相關犯行，我想臺北地檢署檢察官會妥為調查。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：院長，我想告訴你、本席要告訴你的是，當時到底是誰在說謊？誰在護航？誰指示？您知道嗎？怎麼敢這麼大膽做這些事情？ |
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卓院長榮泰：所以現在檢調在調查當中。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你的立場呢？ |
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卓院長榮泰：調查清楚。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：調查清楚？全民都在看！ |
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卓院長榮泰：有任何的違法失職我們絕對嚴辦！ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好…… |
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卓院長榮泰：但是要調查清楚。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一定要調查清楚。我請教農業部，你的行政調查有沒有調查清楚？ |
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陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，其實我們很早就針對整個採購過程做了行政調查，但是行政調查中有關於…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：有行政調查？但你在112年9月還告訴我們它很好啊！ |
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陳部長駿季：我們主動移請檢調調查。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：結果跟監察院查的完全不一樣！所以我很高興聽到院長說要調查清楚，這也是全民共識。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們希望勿枉勿縱，也不要污衊，但要還原真相，因為一個政府不能再有這樣的事件發生！所以我們期待能如院長所說的調查清楚！ |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：還原真相，對不對？好，請回。 |
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接下來本席要請教國土永續。請教院長，目前我們面臨到這麼多問題，不管是都市人口集中、土地正義以及行政部分，在22縣市做得來嗎？現在還有9個縣市沒有送上來，甚至有需要做調整的。在這樣的情況之下，我曾經在內政委員會問內政部長，他說有必要延，他認為有必要延！現在國土法面臨的困境是，還有9個縣市還沒有提給中央，換句話說，還沒有溝通好。第二，農業發展地區有很多相關條件不符之處，尤其是在六都，縣市合併之後有差距非常大的情況。接下來就是重疊部分，如農地與國保地重疊的區域要怎麼處理？現在還不清不楚。所以本席要請教，國土法實施目的是要讓未來的土地有正義，這有很重要的代表性，也是一個非常重要的大工程，是嗎？您頻頻點頭，所以本席要請教，在我們的法律實施之前，我們的溝通，縣市政府還不清楚，民眾也不清楚，現在民眾很擔心、很擔心，到底農一、農二、農三、農四是什麼情形，他們很擔心，在這樣的情況之下，請教院長，會不會延後實施？請教。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是，國土法的實施有它法定的時程，我們原來應該要照這個時程來進行，但目前我們遇到困難，誠如委員所說，有9個縣市並沒有將功能分區圖表送上來，所以沒有辦法現在做統一整合的規劃，距離明年4月時間相當急迫…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對！會不會延後實施？ |
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卓院長榮泰：所以包括農業部、內政部都還在跟地方政府積極溝通當中，甚至對於提出國土法內容有很多疑義的部分，就法律條文本身有疑義的部分，也在做適度的說明跟溝通，但這個進展以目前來看好像還是受到很多的挑戰。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以我充分建議院長，在溝通未完成，地方政府還沒辦法送上來的時候，我們應當要延後執行，你認同嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：但是早一天能夠將國土有效的整體運用…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：在還沒有溝通之前…… |
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卓院長榮泰：這是國家最高政策。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當然，這是我們的目標，但是在沒有溝通，執行者不知道怎麼執行，民眾也非常恐慌，我們應該要延後，你可以認同嗎？會不會延後？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我是希望內政部、農業部還是積極跟地方溝通…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當然要溝通。 |
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卓院長榮泰：但時間的掌握現在對我們來講是非常困難的，我知道明年4月要執行…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：是有困難的？你也認定是有困難，在明年4月，內政部長在內政委員會也表示有困難，所以本席具體再次建議，也就是在溝通未完成的時候，應該要延後執行。 |
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卓院長榮泰：因為國土法本身有重大的意義，有意義的工作通常都比較困難啦！但是我們還是持續在進行。 |
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我請次長稍微回答一下。 |
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董次長建宏：跟委員報告…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們一個結論，就是在溝通未完成之前，請院長延後執行，好不好？ |
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董次長建宏：跟委員報告，我們現在正在積極溝通當中…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝，因為時間關係，謝謝，你請回。 |
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董次長建宏：嘉義市跟苗栗縣已經都同意要送來了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：主席，我說請回了，對不對？時間暫停啊，你要還我20秒。 |
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主席：次長請回。 |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，延後執行我就違法了，我現在必須做，除非法有變更，不然我沒有辦法延後執行。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，方法是人找出來的，我們好好去找。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們一起來找，一起來找…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一起來找就表示你認同可以延後，我們一起來，謝謝。 |
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接下來我要請問臺中藍線捷運拚2034年，院長，我們這條藍色捷運等好久、好久、好久、好久，等了十幾年，我們的交通部長，林佳龍部長來自臺中，現任部長也來自臺中，他當議員的時候也全力支持嘛，對不對？ |
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陳部長世凱：對，沒錯。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：陳部長，你也是全力推動嘛！ |
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陳部長世凱：當然。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以我們好不容易！2周前履勘了，昨天我也在質詢工程會的時候跟主委討論過，我要請教的是，修正完成之後會送到工程會來，院長，你是不是能指示儘速審定完成？讓我們可以在2034年如期通車，請教。 |
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卓院長榮泰：好，我請部長先說明進度。 |
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陳部長世凱：有關這個部分，藍線捷運現在已經是在細部規劃當中…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：履勘了。 |
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陳部長世凱：臺中市政府跟中央也都已經有撥款下去，開始進行土地購置的部分，其實進度都一直在走，這個沒有問題。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：陳部長，你要清楚一點啦，不是這樣子的。工程會，昨天你答應我在10月底以前把它審議完竣，是嗎？ |
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陳主任委員金德：目前基本設計在審議…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：10月底以前完成？ |
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陳主任委員金德：所以我們26號是去現勘…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，10月底以前完成。 |
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陳主任委員金德：請臺中市政府有些補的資料…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，我們二週內會補，已經過了一週了。 |
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陳主任委員金德：我們預定10月底可以完成基本設計的審查。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，院長，您聽到了喔，我們理性的討論，因為這個對我們中部地區來說非常重要，尤其現任部長也是來自我們臺中，一定全力，所以工程會昨天答應我10月底一定要，我們送上來，你10月底速審，讓我們趕快去完成，能在年底實質工程進行，院長，好嗎？你來督促，好嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：一切都要按照目前的進度循序進行，進行到最後，已經到了像剛剛主委所說的程度，當然就會進到另外一個成熟期，我們就往前推。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以你督促，我們專案，我也謝謝工程會非常有guts…… |
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卓院長榮泰：工程會跟交通部都會很用心來做這個事情。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，全力來把它完成，10月底審議完成，然後我們在今年年底可以實質工程進度，陳部長，這也是我們一起、大家一起努力推動的。 |
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陳部長世凱：好，我們來努力。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：全力努力！ |
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接下來我要問臺中舊山線鐵道復駛、鐵馬先行，我相信陳部長在當時當議員的時候，不管是縣議員、市議員都全力推動，而且在林佳龍部長的時候，他也去看過，李孟諺部長也去看過，王國材部長也去看過。院長，大家去看過後都說這個是臺灣的寶貝，美的不得了，所以我們一定要全力推動，但是經過了3個部長，到現在第4個部長是我們的陳部長，有2位都來自臺中，也非常的熟悉我們地方的美。本席要請教，臺中舊山線鐵道，以舊泰安鐵道文化園區，還有大安溪鐵橋、8號隧道跟新泰安車站為核心，從苗栗這邊到臺中后里，這是非常nice。在這樣的情況下，舊山線鐵道自行車延駛至舊泰安車站，歷經3任部長討論出一個9.14億元的經費，國發會也非常認同，大家都認同。請教我們院長，鐵道復駛、鐵馬先行，事關我們地方的發展跟觀光，我們預估1年可以有十幾萬的觀光客進入到我們的地方來，這是我們地方的期待，請教院長，要不要全力的支持？ |
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卓院長榮泰：地方上好的一個觀光產業跟它的整體規劃都是政府在推動觀光重要的過程，至於說地方上，像是鐵道復駛、鐵馬先行這樣的方式，我請部長來說明一下。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請部長。 |
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陳部長世凱：是，這一段其實有一段已經是有鐵馬了，其實我自己也去騎過，非常的漂亮，你說前面有3個部長到那邊看過，我也再陪您再看一次，我們繼續來推動，好不好？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你願意再陪我看一次？ |
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陳部長世凱：沒有問題。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你剛剛講的有部分錯誤，你騎的不是鐵軌，我們講的是鐵軌，這個歷任了3任部長，我希望在你的任內去完成，也在有為的卓院長全力支持…… |
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陳部長世凱：我跟你去看，我們來努力，好不好？ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你自己說要跟我去看，我拜託院長，跟我去看，不要3位部長看完都說很好、全力支持，數字好不容易已經出來，現在就由現任的陳部長接棒把它完成，盡速完成，好嗎？院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我請部長來規劃，整個過程我們去做深入的了解。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，深入的了解就是全力的支持嘛，對不對？我們也希望將這個好消息告訴地方，因為除了我們的鐵道活化之外，還要增加觀光人數，我要再次謝謝，我也要再次的說…… |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員指教。 |
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主席：謝謝楊委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
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接下來請吳秉叡委員質詢。 |
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204 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-2-2 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
江啟臣 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
吳宗憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
楊曜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
林淑芬 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
廖偉翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
張宏陸 |
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105 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-01 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1137601 |
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1137601_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄 |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─ |
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1137601_00004 |
| IVOD_ID |
155034 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155034 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議 |
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Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-01T09:01:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-01T09:32:40+08:00 |
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