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謝謝主席 馬上有請主委請陳主委委員早 |
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主委早有一件嚴重的事情可能要跟主委特別說明請工程會站在工程會的立場仔細的把關什麼嚴重的事情我們國軍弟兄用的防彈背心那個防彈纖維部過去這幾年從2017年一直到現在設斃的案子幾乎是年年發生 |
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越來越誇張越來越嚴重這個防彈衛星不是只有軍人要用而已我們的調查局我們的小鎮屬監獄通通都要用我把它列出來了我現在列出來的列表主委你可以很清楚的看得出來背後在胡搞瞎搞的人幾乎是同一批人幾乎是同一批人這件事情有多嚴重 |
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請主委仔細看請主委仔細看我不知道這個防彈背心當初防彈纖維布價格是怎麼定的但是業界大家都知道利潤很高因為利潤很高你會發現有一些莫名其妙根本從來沒有聽過在做防彈纖維布的公司甚至是上市櫃的公司全部跑來飆 |
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得標了以後再轉給其他的公司來處理那等於就是我去參與那個標案我只是要賺一手啦那下面 |
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由其他轉包的公司來處理結果導致的狀況來我們就先看我們的國軍防範纖維部啊竟然跑去中國搞劣質的東西來搞到什麼搞到從中國進來啊七千多萬七千多萬就cover了結果我們啊國防部開的標啊價格是兩三億喔 |
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立略很高嘛才有人這樣胡搞瞎搞嘛好來請教一下主委啊第一個工程會有沒有注意到這個現象第二個在這工程會的立場對於這種系統性的弊案可以怎麼處理 |
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這幾個個案有涉及違法的部分有的已經有採取停權的措施不過這個問題是涉及到整個國軍或警察相關的生命的安全所以工程會願意針對剛才委員提供的這些 |
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主委說 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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大同的大眾電腦的轉包給這個公衛公司後面有全程國際有龍泉科技這個叫李信勳的 |
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2022年我去追國防部我那時候雖然不在立法院但是站在台灣公益的立場 |
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這些垃圾事情就是要把它清乾淨我們同意委員的我去問國防部為什麼大同大眾公衛沒有停權那個說弊案整個都起來了嘛主委你知道國防部怎麼回應嗎說公共工程委員會這邊齁經過調解調解成立啊所以就沒有辦停權停權跟調解成立無關啊是嘛 |
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所以那時候國防部出來講的時候公共工程委員會要站出來講啊媒體都有披露啊你國防部胡說八道啊調解是私人廠商的糾紛嘛就理業爭議啊停權是公共利益嘛該停權的是不是要停權是不是對沒錯沒有錯嘛那當然公共工程委員會委的就看不懂啊 |
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你們自己都有下去看阿全程攏權影響採購公正阿甚至有的法院都判刑了但我現在問題就來啦設施廠商大戶公衛有停權嗎我剛執勤以前我還去查沒有阿目前就大眾停權阿對啊阿其他公司為什麼不停權 |
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其他公司要查一下是不是有列案或者是說符合停權的要件來來來來來來我全部都幫你列了報告委員這個委員應該對停權的制度非常理解因為基本上是機關發動啦那我們這邊就是所以是機關待於發動嘛對不對我們去了解一下啦來看一下齁哪些機關待於發動我們國防部待於發動啊 |
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我的法務部矯正署待於發動啊我的法務部調查局待於發動啊我現在就看不懂了啊不秀的廠商拿不符合規格的東西甚至有些是從中國搞進來的結果呢大把的銀子賺了以後至於我們的國軍弟兄我們的檢調同仁我們的矯正同仁的安危與不顧 |
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結果這種不肖的廠商到現在還沒有停權一而再再而三實隨智慧今天主委或者是副主委您給的答案是說那個負責的機關沒有報上來嘛好可不可以去了解一下負責的機關為什麼沒有報上來需要多久 |
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發一個函請他們一個禮拜說明阿為什麼到現在沒有報庭權放水喔好我們一個禮拜發文沒有問題一個禮拜之內發文阿請這些相關的機關一個禮拜回覆阿了解可能需要一段時間阿這些機關了解需要多少時間 |
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需要多少時間第二個事情請國防部說明2022年為什麼拿公共工程委員會的條解當擋箭牌那可能他對是新聞對外講的是不是不是喔這是國防部正式發的聲明喔請國防部講清楚喔為什麼拿公共工程委員會的條解當擋箭牌幫特定的廠商放水喔可以這樣幹喔 |
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今天主委講得很明確了嘛調解是私人廠商的事情嘛停權是公共利益的事嘛當初國防部發那個函是在幫誰護航幫誰遮醜利率那麼高搞這種爛事不用負責然後結果竟然是國防部出來擦脂抹粉這樣對嗎 |
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主委我敢講我一定負責啦你請公共工程委員會的同仁回去查一下新聞啦當初就是國防部發的新聞啦韓巡國防部當初誰發這個新聞誰做這個決定的可以嗎 |
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我們會去查這個新聞了解那必要的時候會請國防部能夠針對相關的政府採購法的規定比較能夠也請國防部能夠要了解 |
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黃國昌 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:17 - 12:01:45 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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黃委員國昌：（11時52分）謝謝主席，麻煩有請主委。 |
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主席：好，請陳主委。 |
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陳主任委員金德：委員早。 |
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黃委員國昌：主委早。有一件嚴重的事情可能要跟主委特別說明，請工程會站在工程會的立場仔細地把關。什麼嚴重的事情呢？我們國軍弟兄用的防彈背心，那個防彈纖維布，過去這幾年，從2017年一直到現在，涉弊的案子幾乎是年年發生，越來越誇張、越來越嚴重。防彈背心不是只有軍人要用而已，調查局、矯正署、監獄通通都要用，我把它列出來了。我現在列出來的列表，主委可以很清楚地看得出來，背後在胡搞瞎搞的幾乎是同一批人。這件事情有多嚴重？請主委仔細看。我不知道當初防彈背心的防彈纖維布價格是怎麼訂的，但是業界都知道利潤很高。因為利潤很高，你會發現有一些莫名其妙、根本從來沒有聽過在做防彈纖維布的公司，甚至是上市櫃公司，全部跑來標，得標了以後再轉給其他公司處理，等於就是參與那個標案只是要賺一手，下面由轉包的其他公司來處理，結果導致的狀況，我們就先看，國軍防彈纖維布竟然跑去中國搞劣質的東西來，搞到什麼？搞到從中國進來七千多萬就cover了，結果國防部開的標，價格是兩、三億，利潤很高，所以才有人這樣胡搞瞎搞。請教一下主委，第一個，工程會有沒有注意到這個現象？第二個，站在工程會的立場，對於這種系統性的弊案可以怎麼處理？ |
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陳主任委員金德：這幾個個案涉及違法的部分，有的已經採取停權措施，不過這個問題是涉及到整個國軍或警察的生命安全，所以工程會願意針對剛才委員提供的這些人、這些姓名比較有系統性的去了解，他們是不是有改變名稱去成立其他公司，或者是個人改名再繼續從事這樣不法的工作，那麼工程會會把他列為最優先，針對這些公司、這些人全部清查，尤其針對防彈背心的部分。 |
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黃委員國昌：剛剛主委說，違法的部分，工程會有停權了，對不對？我的問題是，有嗎？有停權嗎？我們具體的來看，我把整個系統圖大概都搞出來了，前面是一個攻衛公司，大同的、大眾電腦的轉包給攻衛公司，後面有銓程國際、有壟銓科技，這個叫李幸勳的，同一票人，不一樣的公司名稱。但剛剛主委說，該停權違法的都停權了，我的問題是有嗎？ |
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陳主任委員金德：大眾停權，大同這個案子剛進來，沒有全部停權，我剛剛語意有點疏漏，已經停了大眾，大同還在辦理中。 |
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黃委員國昌：2022年我去追國防部，我那時候雖然不在立法院，但是站在臺灣公益的立場，這些垃圾事情就是要清乾淨。 |
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陳主任委員金德：我們同意委員的…… |
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黃委員國昌：我去問國防部為什麼大同、大眾、攻衛沒有停權。那個時候弊案整個都起來了。主委，你知道國防部怎麼回應嗎？說經過公共工程委員會調解成立，所以就沒有辦停權。 |
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陳主任委員金德：停權跟調解成立無關。 |
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黃委員國昌：是嘛！所以那時候國防部出來講，公共工程委員會也要站出來講，媒體都有披露，國防部胡說八道，調解是私人廠商的糾紛嘛！ |
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陳主任委員金德：這履約爭議。 |
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黃委員國昌：停權是公共利益，該停權的是不是要停權？ |
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陳主任委員金德：對，沒錯。 |
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黃委員國昌：沒有錯！當然公共工程委員會我就看不懂，你們自己都有下去看，銓程、壟銓影響採購公正，甚至有的法院都判刑了。但我現在問題就來了，涉弊廠商大戶──攻衛有停權嗎？我剛剛在質詢前還去查，沒有！ |
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陳主任委員金德：目前就大眾停權。 |
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黃委員國昌：對啊！其他公司為什麼不停權？ |
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陳主任委員金德：其他公司要查一下，是不是有列案或者是符合停權的要件。 |
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黃委員國昌：來，我全部都幫你列了。 |
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陳副主任委員為祥：委員應該對停權的制度非常了解，因為基本上是機關發動，我們這邊就是機關…… |
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黃委員國昌：所以是機關怠於發動，對不對？ |
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陳副主任委員為祥：我們去了解一下，因為他…… |
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黃委員國昌：來看一下，哪些機關怠於發動？國防部怠於發動，法務部矯正署怠於發動，法務部調查局怠於發動。我現在就看不懂了，不肖廠商拿不符合規格的東西，甚至有些是從中國搞進來的，大把的銀子賺了以後，置國軍弟兄、檢調同仁、矯正同仁的安危於不顧，結果這種不肖廠商到現在還沒有停權，一而再、再而三食髓知味。今天主委或者是副主委給的答案是…… |
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陳主任委員金德：機關發動。 |
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黃委員國昌：負責的機關沒有報上來。好，可不可以去了解一下，負責的機關為什麼沒有報上來？ |
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陳主任委員金德：我們可以去了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：需要多久？發一個函請他們一個禮拜說明，為什麼到現在沒有報停權？放水？ |
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陳主任委員金德：好，我們一個禮拜發文，沒有問題。 |
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黃委員國昌：一個禮拜之內發文，請這些相關的機關一個禮拜回復。 |
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陳主任委員金德：了解可能需要一段時間。 |
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黃委員國昌：這些機關了解需要多少時間？第二個、請國防部說明，2022年為什麼拿公共工程委員會的調解當擋箭牌。 |
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陳主任委員金德：那可能他對……是新聞對外講的，是不是？ |
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黃委員國昌：不是！這是國防部正式發的聲明，請國防部講清楚，為什麼拿公共工程委員會的調解當擋箭牌，幫特定的廠商放水？可以這樣幹？今天主委講得很明確了，調解是私人廠商的事情，停權是公共利益的事，當初國防部發那個函，是在幫誰護航、幫誰遮醜？利潤那麼高，搞這種爛事不用負責，結果竟然是國防部出來擦脂抹粉，這樣對嗎？主委，我敢講，我一定負責。你請公共工程委員會的同仁回去查一下新聞，當初就是國防部發的新聞，函詢國防部當初誰發這個新聞，誰做這個決定的，可以嗎？ |
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陳主任委員金德：我們會去查這個新聞、了解，必要的時候會請國防部針對政府採購法相關規定要能夠了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：多久可以回復我？最後一個問題。 |
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陳主任委員金德：就是國防部的部分？ |
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黃委員國昌：沒有！第一個，你們發函出去的時候CC給我。 |
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陳主任委員金德：好。 |
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黃委員國昌：第二個、押時間請他們回復。 |
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陳主任委員金德：他們按照一定回復的時間。 |
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黃委員國昌：對，一定回復的時間是多久？半年、一年？ |
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陳主任委員金德：一個月。 |
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黃委員國昌：OK，好，謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝黃國昌委員。 |
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接下來邀請洪孟楷委員質詢。 |
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陳素月 |
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林俊憲 |
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許智傑 |
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李昆澤 |
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何欣純 |
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魯明哲 |
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邱若華 |
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游顥 |
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徐富癸 |
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黃國昌 |
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洪孟楷 |
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王美惠 |
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廖偉翔 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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傅崐萁 |
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王鴻薇 |
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陳俊宇 |
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陳冠廷 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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第11屆第2會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
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