| IVOD_ID |
154956 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154956 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-30T09:57:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-30T10:06:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
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主席,我們請正式請署長好,正式請署長署長你好,正式好今天我們要修修的法律上是針對國民是針對我們的事情 |
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不是說因為個人我們要來修這個法,我覺得有一點說不太過,我們要跟你談這個就是說,我們修這個法當中,因為最近有講到,我就說我過獎了,這樣不要說我要修理一下, |
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來,在這裏面我認為今天我們要審讀更新條例的農資歷的關節已經取得建築或是未去好的或是去好的或是準備要去的是不是都可以去突破現在的農資歷的上限在這裏面我們是要鼓勵我們這裡 |
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第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署 |
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感謝委員,我們就是這個部份主要是過去頂這個法律的時候,我們現在元榮的獎勵都一樣,都沒白,就是說沒突破原來元榮百分之三十的那些榮獎都沒有突破,它是試用,因為過去受害的時候,大家規定說,你榮基你頂頂真正,你就應該要棄好了。 |
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這就大樓可以用,但是過去發酵後到氣候中有個過程,有人過程中說我這容積十歲時我家裡沒有氣候,轉走時他沒有手,屬於是適用救法規,結果他沒辦法獲得容積獎勵。我們希望把這個邏輯,把他拉進來說這是親友可願意,氣候大樓時我們不一定順利。 |
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對啦,有的是去申請這條啊,但是他還沒去嘛。對,就去還沒好啦,都知道去還沒好。就去還沒好就是適用那個農資理嘛。是是是。是不是這樣?對,所以他沒辦法適用這個獎項的時候,我們是說比較不公平啦。 |
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第二對他們來說因為這樣所以沒有辦法適用圓融的時候就一個制度來說的確會有兩種不同的標準的問題所以地方政府老實說過去也覺得這有一點困擾所以也希望我們可以來做一個中心的調整所以這次才有這次修法的這個做法出來 |
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因為我覺得這個問題存在在一八十年開始在地方的問題就都有這個的關係也看到我們中央在現在要修這個法對地方也好對中央也好就是有聽到地方的聲音 |
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要讓屋主可以適用我們未來修的法律不說實在有的人也不知如何說到底可以適用還是不可以適用在這兩天我相信政治最近有去加一七跟署長對加一七也很了解剛才本席坐在那裡時聽到 |
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二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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議員王鴻薇 |
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所以這就應該是數量非常大所以說本席要跟你們說的就是說因為每一個地方每一個地方沒有工像我的家裡就是現在的老廚的圍爐很多的就是像北省說的說我也想要減工 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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跟委員報告,其實我們每一年都有補助我們地方政府,有更加慰勞的這個輔導團,輔導團的補助。第二就是說,其實過去大家對套廳的會覺得說,我套廳的時間有改變而已,但是對有一些人來說,因為我可能這個手術,手術比較不夠那樣,我有需要代課。 |
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二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具 |
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若不簽署就逃避,所以這點若是屬於澳沙的福德團這邊,可以來加強做選民。因為我認為,你看加起來,他的圍爐,他有申請要蓋的,你看有20多間,我們的都間, |
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二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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公判都綱應該是有政府介入嘛!就是政府的嘛!應該是未來要去的時候、要賣的時候,會比我們普通的健康...對啦!我了解你講的意思!還要想嘛!是啦!如果公判都綱李彥秀應該是這樣就不對了!跟李文雄就不是這樣啦!我了解!所以我認為自己是這麼多人的啦!如果我問的時候,我也會吹噓噓的! |
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怎麼會這樣呢?因為一般你要給他都檢公辦的,就是我們的署的介紹不能夠那麼廣嘛。但是你可不可以知道,第27屆已經有中環苗栗以來,都檢公辦的第27。 |
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市長這很大的問題我們希望地方會更進步地方會更好我也認同你剛才說的整個地方都在老的地方都在大小的地方但畢竟他的地是公共的他們不應該介紹是這樣因為時間 |
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二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:17 - 10:06:19 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員李彥秀等17人擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案。【第一案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】
【9月30日、10月2日及3日三天一次會】） |
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王委員美惠：（9時57分）主席，請政次和署長。 |
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主席：請政次跟署長。 |
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董次長建宏：委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：署長好、政次好，今天我們所修的法是要提供法律上的優惠，不是針對個人，而是針對大眾，如果是因為個人，我們要來修這個法，我覺得有一點講不過去。今天我們要審都市更新條例有關容積率的管制，請問已經取得建照的，不管是還沒蓋好的、蓋好的還是準備要蓋的，是不是都可以突破現在的容積率上限？我們是要鼓勵老房子都更，上一次修法是在110年，不過，後來發現有很多問題，我們才會想說要再來修這個法，政次，你認為要怎麼做比較好？還是署長你要回答一下？ |
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吳署長欣修：感謝委員，這部分主要是過去訂這個法律的時候，現在原容的獎勵都一樣、都沒有變，就是沒有突破原來原容30%的容獎，它是適用，因為過去修法的時候，規定容積率訂定之前，房子就應該已經蓋好了才可以適用，但是過去從實際發照到蓋好中間有一個過程，有的在過程中，容積率實施的時候房子還沒蓋好，造成後來他們事實上是適用舊法規，沒辦法申請容積獎勵，我們希望把這個納入，說這確實情有可原，因為蓋大樓的時候有時候不一定那麼順利。 |
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王委員美惠：對啦，有的是去申請執照了，但還沒蓋。 |
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吳署長欣修：就是還沒蓋好啦。 |
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王委員美惠：還沒蓋好，就是適用那個容積率嘛，是不是這樣？ |
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吳署長欣修：是，所以他沒辦法適用這個獎勵，老實說比較不公平。第二、對他們來說，因為這樣所以沒辦法適用原容的時候，就一個制度來說，的確會有兩種不同標準的問題，所以地方政府老實說過去也覺得有一點困擾，也希望我們可以重新調整，才有這次修法的作法出來。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得從110年開始，地方都有反映這個問題，中央現在要修這個法，就是有聽到地方的聲音，如何讓老房子可以適用我們未來修的法，不然，說實在的有的人就是搞不清楚到底可以適用還是不能適用。政次最近有去嘉義市，署長對嘉義市也很了解，剛剛本席坐在那邊有聽到政次在說都更對雙北的重要性，署長也說對南部、對嘉義市的危樓很重要，嘉義市的危樓有多少，你知道嗎？署長還是政次回答一下？ |
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吳署長欣修：嘉義市可以適用的大樓很少，差不多八十幾棟而已，但是…… |
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王委員美惠：危樓呢？ |
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吳署長欣修：但是危樓，三十年以上的應該很多。 |
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王委員美惠：對！ |
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吳署長欣修：三十年以上應該是有夠多，因為我們嘉義市也是老城市了，有的房子甚至是日本時代開始就有了…… |
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董次長建宏：像東區那邊都是。 |
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吳署長欣修：所以這裡數量應該是非常地大。 |
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王委員美惠：本席要跟你們說的是，因為每一個地方不同，像我們嘉義市，現在的老房子、危樓很多，就像百姓說的：我也想要都更，不過我的資格不符合，也不知道要怎麼去都更。如果他們想要都更，但仍然沒辦法達成的時候，要如何去協助他呢？署長，你是如何想的？ |
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吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，其實我們每一年都有補助地方政府都更跟危老輔導團的部分；第二個，其實過去大家對於透天會認為透天就是時間到了再改建，但是對有些人來說，可能因為收入也比較不夠，蓋新房子有需要貸款，還是看有沒有辦法減免相關的稅，這部分在危老裡面其實都有提供，只是過去在地方政府實施上，可能他們印象都比較是針對大樓，比較不會去想到透天，所以這點確實是我們後續輔導團可以來加強做說明的。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得這個說明要加強一下。 |
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吳署長欣修：是。 |
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王委員美惠：你看嘉義市危老申請重建的有二十幾件，我們的都更有兩件核准的。署長跟次長，你認為都更公辦的住宅會比普通建商賣得貴還是便宜？請你們回答一下。 |
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吳署長欣修：應該是比較貴啦！ |
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王委員美惠：為什麼會比較貴？ |
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吳署長欣修：第一個主要的原因我要向您報告，因為它主要的基地久了，地點都不錯，所以它會有…… |
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王委員美惠：但是他的地和處理的部分都是公家機關的欸！ |
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吳署長欣修：你是說公辦都更的部分嗎？ |
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王委員美惠：對！你向我回答的，讓我有一點…… |
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吳署長欣修：沒有，所以委員剛才說的，譬如說在嘉義我們有兩件公辦都更。 |
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王委員美惠：對！ |
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吳署長欣修：這個部分，我跟委員報告啦…… |
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王委員美惠：現在先報告這件目前正在蓋的，因為本席在我們的服務處，包括助理接到的電話也好，還是我本身手機接到的也好，他們都會覺得自己真的想不到，公辦都更應該是有政府介入，地是政府的嘛！未來要興建、要賣的時候應該會比普通建商…… |
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吳署長欣修：我瞭解你說的意思。 |
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王委員美惠：更便宜嘛！ |
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吳署長欣修：是啦！公辦都更理論上應該是這樣，沒有錯。 |
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王委員美惠：是理論上，事實上就不是這樣啊！ |
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吳署長欣修：我瞭解。 |
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王委員美惠：所以我身為嘉義市的立委，這麼多人來問我時，我也無法回答。怎麼會這樣呢？ |
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吳署長欣修：瞭解。 |
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王委員美惠：因為一般你們會公辦都更，就是我們房子的價格不能再更高了嘛！不過你要知道，包括嘉義市、彰化、苗栗在內，第一個公辦都更的案件就是在嘉義市！署長，這是很大的問題，我們希望地方更進步、地方可以更好，我也認同你剛才說的，舊的地點都在比較熱鬧的地方、在主要道路上，但畢竟地是公家的，價錢不應該這樣！ |
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吳署長欣修：瞭解。 |
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王委員美惠：因為時間快到了…… |
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吳署長欣修：我也跟他們來瞭解一下。 |
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王委員美惠：我私底下還有很多問題，希望跟署長及次長來探討一下，可以讓地方發展得更好，以上。 |
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董次長建宏：謝謝。 |
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吳署長欣修：好，感謝委員。 |
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主席：我們請黃捷委員。 |
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276 |
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委員會-11-2-15-2 |
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張宏陸 |
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李彥秀 |
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王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
麥玉珍 |
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許宇甄 |
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黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
丁學忠 |
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王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
李柏毅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
張嘉郡 |
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213 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-09-30 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1137801 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1137801_00009 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、審查行政院函請審議「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案；二、審查委員王鴻薇等
20人擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員李彥秀等17人擬具「都市
更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1137801_00010 |